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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2007,22:25)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. BLA, bla, bla.

Do you agree that these scriptures say the same thing?

Is the conclusion the same?

“Spirit and truth and Spirit and the law of God”.

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in “spirit and truth”: for such doth the Father seek to be his worshippers.
Rom 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death; “but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace:”
Rom 8:7 ** because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, “neither indeed can it be:”**

Does Paul agree with Jesus?

“Spirit and truth and Spirit and the law of God”. Do you worship God in spirit and Sunday Then you are listening to the wrong spirit probably your spirit. The spirit that we all accepted from the Catholic church no matter if you were Catholic or not. If you didn't get it from the mother then you got it from one of her Daughters. But no longer will one read those scriptures and have an excuse. That my brother is what the end time is about. No one will have an excuse AMEN!

If you agree that these scriptures are both saying Spirit and Truth. Then you are saying that the Ten Commandments are still in effect just as MY Lord has said. (Matt. 5:17-19)

IHN,

Ken

March 10, 2007 at 3:18 am#44322

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Hi kenrch,
Do not be deceived
The real Law of God is the law of the Spirit.
It is the law of love and includes all the laws given by Christ.

March 10, 2007 at 7:02 am#44341

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Nick Hassen

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Hi kenrch,
Do not be deceived
The real Law of God is the law of the Spirit.
It is the law of love and includes all the laws given by Christ.

Let us look at some of the laws given by Christ.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

at 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Surprise! Surprise! Jesus is teaching from the Decalogue.

Just in case you still have not got it.

All Ten Commandments Still In Effect In The New Covenant After The Cross

1. 1Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
See also 1 Cor 6:9, Acts 17:16&23,
Romans 2:22&23, 1John 5:21

2. Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought
not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone,
graven by art and man's device. See also 1 Cor 12:2

3. James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by
heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath…..
lest ye fall into condemnation.
4. Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and
rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Hebrews 4 4&9 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this
wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
There remaineth therefore a (keeping of a sabbath-see margin) rest
to the people of God.
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three
sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 13:42&44 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the
Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the
next sabbath. And the next sabbath day came almost the
whole city together to hear the word of God.
Isaiha 66:22-23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will
make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your
seed and your name remain.
And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to
another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to
worship before me, saith the LORD.
See also Acts 16:13

5. Ephesians 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour
thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
See also Romans 1:30

6. James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not kill,…
See also Romans1:29

7. 1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye
should abstain from fornication:
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
See also 1Cor 6:9, Romans 2:22, Romans 1:29, Romans 13:9

8. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not steal…
1 Thessalonians 4:6 That no [man] go beyond and defraud his brother in [any] matter:
See also 1Cor 6:10

9. Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not bear false witness

10. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not covet;
See also 1 Cor 6:10, Romans 1:29

Jesus said. John 14:15 “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”

March 10, 2007 at 7:26 am#44342

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Hi FF,
Surprise surpruise he was teaching a Jew who asked about the Law.
Read on and you will get the real good news.

March 10, 2007 at 7:54 am#44347

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Surprise! Surprise! Nick.

Luke was the only Gentile writer of the New Testament, and he kept the Ten Commandments.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath day we went out of the city by a riverside, where prayer was wont to be made;

March 10, 2007 at 7:56 am#44348

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Jesus said;

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law (nomos), or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law (nomos), till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments (entole), and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The word “nomos” is often used in the New Testament to describe the Ten Commandments.

Romans 7.7
What shall we say then? is the law (nomos) sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law (nomos): for I had not known lust, except the law (nomos) had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The law (nomos) referred to here in the New Covenant is the Ten Commandments.

The word “entole” is also often used in the New Testament to describe the Ten Commandments (God's law of love.)

Matt. 15.3-6
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment (entole) of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: . . .
But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, he shall be free, honors not his father or his mother. Thus have ye made the commandment (entole) of God of none effect by your tradition.

Matt. 19.17-19
And he said unto him if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments (entole) He said unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mark 7.9-10
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment (entole) of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother;

Hebrews 8.10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws (nomos) into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

(As we have just seen, the law (nomos) is used synonymously with the Ten Commandments in the New Testament.)

Thus the Ten Commandments are central to the New Covenant.

March 10, 2007 at 8:21 am#44350

Phoenix

Participant

Mark 2:27
27Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for JEW, not JEW for the Sabbath.

Yeah right Nick

27Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

March 10, 2007 at 8:42 am#44354

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Hi,
This thread is about the SDAs who base their beliefs on Saturday sabbath.
Few here are proposing that we should follow their example but preach a Sunday sabbath.
I think the Lord of the sabbath who told us it was made for man is the one to make rules about it and he does not seem to have done so.
The sabbath rest of 1000 years is more important it seems.

March 10, 2007 at 2:53 pm#44365

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2007,03:18)

Hi kenrch,
Do not be deceived
The real Law of God is the law of the Spirit.
It is the law of love and includes all the laws given by Christ.

You say don't be deceived.

But you don't answer the question.

“The real Law of God is the law of the Spirit.”

SPIRIT AND TRUTH! Truth Nick God's law.

I have to guess because you won't answer any questions that shed light on your doctrine of tradition. So I assume you don't know the truth. You give no answer.

Again Nick, Do these scriptures agree?

“Spirit and truth and Spirit and the law of God”.

Does Paul agree with Jesus?

“Spirit and truth and Spirit and the law of God”. Do you worship God in spirit and Sunday Then you are listening to the wrong spirit probably your spirit. *The spirit that we all accepted from the Catholic church no matter if you were Catholic or not. If you didn't get it from the mother then you got it from one of her Daughters. But no longer will one read those scriptures and have an excuse.* That my brother is what the end time is about. No one will have an excuse AMEN!”

A simple yes or no will tell me (anyway) where you stand.

Please don't answer a question you have in your head! Answer THIS question.

Do the above scriptures agree?

IHN&L,

Ken

March 10, 2007 at 6:58 pm#44377

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Hi kenrch,
Where do you worship God?

March 10, 2007 at 7:05 pm#44382

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2007,18:58)

Hi kenrch,
Where do you worship God?

Question for a question Nick? LOL!!!

Well the lord god is above the universe and all the light above and darkness below. How's that LOL!!
:laugh: :laugh:

March 10, 2007 at 8:56 pm#44386

Participant

So kenrch,
How do you worship God IN SPIRIT?

March 10, 2007 at 11:21 pm#44393

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2007,20:56)

So kenrch,
How do you worship God IN SPIRIT?

Well first I climb on the same space ship like you and t8 have. Then I fly through space until I reach Nick's hang out and that's where Nick's spirit is. How's that?

Not as slick as your empty words but the same effect; NO ANSWER. How's that?

March 11, 2007 at 2:23 am#44402

Participant

Hi,
God gave us a sabbath rest and then it became a day of worship.
The sons of God can worship God anywhere anytime in their inner temple.
The spirit of the Pharisees tries to insist on the observance of the OT Law
but the freeing law of Love does so anyway without man's striving effort.

March 11, 2007 at 2:30 am#44404

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Nick Hassen

Quote

This thread is about the SDAs who base their beliefs on Saturday sabbath.
Few here are proposing that we should follow their example but preach a Sunday sabbath.

Nick, it seems that you have just identified yourself as a “child of the papacy” because your Babylonian doctrines originate in Rome.

What The Churches Say About The Sabbath

Catholic

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change” (Sabbath to SUNday) “was her act. And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.” HF Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons (Catholic Church).

“Sunday is our MARK or authority…the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1 1923.

(There you are. Sunday worship is the MARK of the beast.)

“From this same Catholic Church you have accepted your Sunday, and that Sunday, as the Lord's day, she has handed down as a tradition; and the entire Protestant world has accepted it as tradition, for you have not an iota of Scripture to establish it. Therefore that which you have accepted as your rule of faith, inadequate as it of course is, as well as your Sunday, you have accepted on the authority of the Roman Catholic Church.”-D. B. RAY, “The Papal Controversy,” 1892, page 179.

“I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: 'No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! the entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church.' – T. ENRIGHT, C.S.S.R., in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18, 1884.

“The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”-The Catholic Mirror, Sept. 23, 1893.

“You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [Catholics] never sanctify.”-JAMES CARDINAL GIBBONS, “The Faith of Our Fathers,” page 111.

“Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible' “-JAMES CARDINAL GIBBONS, Catholic Mirror, Dec. 23, 1983.

“Question: What Bible authority is there for changing the Sabbath from the seventh to the first, day of the week? Who gave the pope the authority to change a command of God?
“Answer: If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian, then the Seventh-day Adventist is right in observing the Saturday with the Jew. But Catholics learn what to believe and do from the divine, infallible authority established by Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church…. Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher should inconsistently follow in this matter the tradition of the Church?”-“Question Box,” by CONWAY, I903 Edition. pages 254, 255.

“Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”-PETER GERERMANN, “The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine,” Second Edition, 1910, page 50.

“It was the Catholic Church which, by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest to the Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] church.' – MGR. SEGUR, “Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today,” page 213.

“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; -she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.'- STEPHEN KEENAN, “A Doctrinal Catechism,” page I74.

“Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holydays?
“Answer By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.

“Question: How prove you that?
“Answer: Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the Church's power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin: and by not keeping the rest [of the feasts] by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power.” HENRY TUBERVILLE, D.D., “An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine” (R. C.), page 58,

“Catholic: Is the Bible the rule or guide of Protestants for observing Sunday?
“Protestant: No, I believe the Seventh-day Adventists are the only ones who know the Bible in the matter of Sabbath observance.” – “The Bible an Authority Only in Catholic Hands,” pages 25, 26.

“Practically everything that Protestants regard as essential or important they have received from the Catholic Church. They accepted Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made that change.

“But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible, in observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the pope.”-Our Sunday Visitor, Feb. 5, I950.

Baptist

“There was and is a Commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday…. It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week. . . . Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament-absolutely not. There is no Scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week.

“To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years' intercourse with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question … never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated.

“Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the MARK of paganism, and christened with the name of the sun god, and christened with the name of the sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism! “-DR. EDWARD T. HISCOX, author of “The Baptist Manual,” in a paper read before a New York ministers' conference held Nov. 13, 1893.

“We believe that the law of God is the eternal and unchangeable rule of His moral government.”-“Baptist Church Manual,” Art. 12.

Churches of Christ

“Th
ere is no direct Scriptural authority for designating the first day the Lord's day.”-DR. D. H. LUCAS, Christian Oracle, Jan. 23, 1890.

“The first day of the week is commonly called the Sabbath. This is a mistake. The Sabbath of the Bible was the day just preceding the first day of the week. The first day of the week is never called the Sabbath anywhere in the entire Scriptures. It is also an error to talk about the change of the Sabbath. There never was any change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There is not in any place in the Bible any intimation of such a change.”-“First-Day Observance,” pages 17, 19.

“Not any ecclesiastical writer of the first three centuries attributed the origin of Sunday observance either to Christ or to His apostles.”-SIR WILLIAM DOMVILLE, “Examination of the Six Texts,” pages 6, 7. (Supplement).

“Is there any command in the New Testament to change the day of weekly rest from Saturday to Sunday? None.”-“Manual of Christian Doctrine,” page 127.

“Where are we told in Scripture that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day…. The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the church has enjoined it.”-ISAAC WILLIAMS, B.D., “Plain Sermons on the Catechism,” Vol. I, pages 334-336.

There is no injunction in the whole of the New Testament to Christians to change the Sabbath into Sunday.' – D. MORSEBOYCOTT, Daily Herald, London, Feb. 26, 1931.

CONGREGATIONALIST

“It must be confessed that there is no law in the New Testament concerning the first day.”-Buck's Theological Dictionary page 403.

“There is no command in the Bible requiring us to observe the first day of the week as the Christian Sabbath.”-ORIN FOWLER, A.M., “Mode and Subjects of Baptism.””The current notion that Christ and His apostles authoritatively substituted the first day for the seventh, is absolutely without any authority in the New Testament.”-DR. LYMAN ABBOTT, Christian Union, Jan. 18, 1882.

“It is quite clear that, however rigidly or devoutly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath. …The Sabbath was founded on a specific, divine command. We can plead no such command for the observance of Sunday…. There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday.”-“The Ten Commandments,” R. W. Dale, D.D., pages 106, 107.

LUTHERAN

“They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord's day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it appears, neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, say they, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments.” -Augsburg Confession of Faith, Art. 28, par. 9.

“The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance.”- AUGUSTUS NEANDER, “History of the Christian Religion and Church,” Vol. 1, page 186.

METHODIST

“This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away…. The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. …Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.”-JOHN WESLEY, “Sermons on Several Occasions,” 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.

“The reason we observe the first day instead of the seventh is based on no positive command. One will search the Scriptures in vain for authority for changing from the seventh day to the first. The early Christians began to worship on the first day of the week because Jesus rose from the dead on that day. By and by, this day of worship was made also a day of rest, a legal holiday. This took place in the year 321.

“Our Christian Sabbath, therefore, is not a matter of positive command. It is a gift of the church.”-CLOVIS G. CHAPPELL, “Ten Rules for Living,” page 61.

MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE

“The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?”- D.L. MOODY, “Weighed and Wanting,” page 47.

“I honestly believe that this commandment [the fourth, or Sabbath commandment] is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. 'The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.' It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was-in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.' – Id., page 46.

MORMON

“The Sabbath was to be a perpetual covenant between the Lord and the children of Israel. 'Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant' (verse 16). In verse 17 they are commanded to observe it as a sign that they remember that the Lord made heaven and earth, and rested on the seventh day.

“In these quotations from Exodus 31, and in the Decalogue the most positive and weighty reasons are given by the Lord to the fathers of the house of Israel, for keeping the Sabbath day. The obligation is evidently as binding upon the Latter-day Saints as it was upon their fathers, and they in like manner will reap the reward of obedience.”-FRANKLIN D. RICHARDS AND JAMES A. LITTLE, “A Compendium of the Doctrines of the Gospel,” page 226.

PRESBYTERIAN

“The Sabbath is a part of the Decalogue-the Ten Commandments. This alone for ever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution…Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand…The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath.”- T.C. BLAKE, D.D., “Theology Condensed,” pages 474, 475.

“God instituted the Sabbath at the creation of man, setting apart the seventh day for the purpose, and imposed its observance as a universal and perpetual moral obligation upon the race.” American Presbyterian Board of Publication, Tract No. 175.

“The observance of the seventh-day Sabbath did not cease till it was abolished after the [Roman] empire became Christian,” American Presbyterian Board of Publication, Tract No. 118.

DICTIONARIES

“The notion of a formal substitution by apostolic authority of the Lord's day [meaning Sunday] for the Jewish Sabbath [or the first for the seventh day]…and the transference to it, perhaps in a spiritualized form, of the sabbatical obligation established by the promulgation of the fourth commandment, has no basis whatever, either in Holy Scripture or in Christian antiquity.” – SIR WILLIAM SMITH AND SAMUEL CHEETHAM, “A Dictionary of Christian Antiquities,” Vol. 11, page 182, Article “Sabbath.”

ENCYCLOPAEDIAS

“It must be confessed that there is no law in the New Testament concerning the first day.”-M'CLINTOCK AND STRONG, Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, Vol. IX, page 196.

“Sunday (Dies Solis, of the Roman calendar, 'day of the sun,' because dedicated to the sun), the first day of the week, was adopted by the early Christians as a day of worship. The 'sun' of Latin adoration they
interpreted as the 'Sun of Righteousness.' . . . No regulations for its observance are laid down in the New Testament, nor, indeed, is its observance even enjoined.”-SCHAFF HERZOG, Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, 1891 Edition, Vol. IV, Art. “Sunday.”

HISTORICAL

“Bear in mind that the substitution [of the first for the seventh day] was not a coerced happening; it could not be a sudden, but only a very slow development, probably never anticipated, never even designed or put into shape by those chiefly interested, but creeping almost unconsciously into being.”-WILLIAM B. DANA, “A Day of Rest and Worship,” page 174.

Eusebius, fourth-century bishop and friend of the wicked Emperor Constantine, whose Sunday law is the first on record, flatly says: “All things, whatsoever that it was duty to do on the Sabbath, these we have transferred to the Lord's day [as they had begun to call Sunday].” –

'Commentary on the Psalms.'
“Opposition to Judaism introduced the particular festival of Sunday very early, indeed, into the place of the Sabbath…The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a divine command in this respect, far from them, and from the early apostolic church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday. Perhaps, at the end of the second century a false application of this kind had begun to take place; for men appear by that time to have considered labouring on Sunday as a sin.”-AUGUSTUS NEANDER, “General History of the Christian Religion and Church” (Rose's translation), Vol. 1, page 186.

CONCLUSION

The testimony from the leading denominations and evidence gathered from dependable secular sources is presented for your consideration. All of the statements consistently testify that it was the church in apostasy that tampered with the holy law of an unchangeable God.

Centuries before the Christian Era the prophet of the Lord had prophesied:
“He shall speak great words against the most High. . . . and think to change times and laws.” (Daniel 7:25).

To the Christian church, God entrusted great authority, but no man nor organization of men has ever been given divine authority to tamper with the ten foundation pillars of the government of God. And He Himself has made it plain that they are forever established by His everlasting covenant whereby He promises to write His laws in the minds and hearts of men (Hebrews 8:10).

“According to Catholic teaching, the only 'bondage' to which human wills are subject is the moral law which emanates from God Almighty Himself. The Church, as God's agent, may not tamper with that law.”- Our Sunday Visitor, July 13, 1947, page 129.

“Man is a creature. As a creature, he is subject to his Creator in all that he does. God's will has … a bearing on everything that touches human rights and duties. No state, no group of educators, may reject a truth of the moral order to suit the claim of convenience.' – Pronouncement of Roman Catholic bishops as reported in Time, Nov. 26, 1951, page 21.

But the so-called Christian world has tampered with God's law and rejected a truth of the ten great moral principles enunciated in the eternal law reiterated on Sinai by the voice of God and written by His finger.

“For up to this day mankind has absolutely trifled with the original and most specific revelation of the holy God, the ten words written upon the tables of the law from Sinai.”-“Crown Theological Library,” page 178. (Lutheran).

The world unrest, the disregard for law and order, and the immorality of our day may be charged directly to the brazen attempts of the created to meddle with the government of the Creator. This is the testimony of Holy Scripture:
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth.” (Isaiah 24: 5, 6).

“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” (Isaiah 8: 20).

We encourage you to read these facts prayerfully? And as you do so, bare your own soul before God while you make your decision with the apostles of the early church to “obey God rather than men.” (Acts 5:29).

May God lead you to loving obedience, your token of love and the outward sign of inward sanctification. Remember that Jesus declared: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.” (Matthew 5:17).

His earthly mission was to save men from the transgression of the law, not to change it. Concerning Christ's first advent the prophet had declared:

“He will magnify the law, and make it honourable.” (Isaiah 42:21).

Will you not “walk even as He walked”? 1 John 2:6. Our Saviour said, “I have kept My Father's commandments.” (John 15:10).

May God bless you as you consider this vital doctrine of the Bible and choose to follow Him.

March 11, 2007 at 2:48 am#44405

Participant

Hi FF,
Different views are fine in this area.
We must not let others make rules for us
So it seems advisable not to get into making rules for others.
Or claiming any additional righteousness for strict jewish observance.
Christ is our righteouness for those, who are in him.

March 11, 2007 at 5:33 am#44430