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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 28 2006,22:10) Hi kenrch,
Where are you mentioned?
What purpose does sarcasm play here, Nick? If you don't see or understand then MAY BE you are missing it. It's not difficult to understand what I'm saying. If you dissagree then just say SORRY I DON'T SEE OR UNDERSTAND OR AGREE with what you are saying. If we agree to disagree then so be it but does that mean that the whole group will not see what I'm saying BECAUSE YOU CAN'T!Now you are always saying word, word, word, and rightly so. So lets follow the WORD:
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, in whom ye were sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and railing, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 and be ye kind one to another,That means no sarcasm, ok?
Quote (jahman @ Sep. 29 2006,02:19) kenrch, no problem here, Jesus and Paul were on the same page. Our righteousness is as filthy rags, even it includes: 1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Amen, Jahman. That's it in a nutshell.Nick & Ken,
I think you are saying the same thing, aren't you?
Ken: I like your analogy of the wallet and I think that returning the wallet demonstrates love of one's neighbor, and so fulfilling the second commandment as a result of the first.
Quote (Cubes @ Sep. 29 2006,15:51) Nick & Ken, I think you are saying the same thing, aren't you?
Ken: I like your analogy of the wallet and I think that returning the wallet demonstrates love of one's neighbor, and so fulfilling the second commandment as a result of the first.
Cubes,
What I was trying to show was the difference between the physical and spiritual Ten Commandments.Nick asked why do I want to follow the Law? He is missing my point. The Spirit tells the person what to do with the wallet. The person doesn't run to a book and look it up. But does that mean that the Law was done away with. Paul says God forbid!
No a child of God is led by the Spirit of God and the Spirit keeps the commandments. Does the Spirit say I can't eat ham NO! Does the Spirit say I can't kill No! The Spirit takes it further saying I can't get angry with my brother. So the righteousness of the Sprit is above that of the Phirsees and OlD Testament.THANKS Mercy!
Hi kenrch,
Sorry.
No sarcasm intended but looking for clarification in perhaps too succinct a way.
You said
“I didn't say I followed the Law.”
seeming to imply I was criticising you but not so.Hi kenrch,
Regarding the billfold analogy.
You say
“If you had disobeyed the Holy Spirit then my friend you HAVE sinned.”I think you miss the point.
You seem to think that the NT law is stll about sin.
And you seem to think we are even more restricted.
It is not about sin but rather freedom.
No longer a recording of bad behaviours and attitudes.If there is a better way then the Spirit leads us to do it,
if we are listening,
and is grieved if we refuse to do so,
and we learn and move on.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 29 2006,19:19) Hi kenrch,
Regarding the billfold analogy.
You say
“If you had disobeyed the Holy Spirit then my friend you HAVE sinned.”I think you miss the point.
You seem to think that the NT law is stll about sin.
And you seem to think we are even more restricted.
It is not about sin but rather freedom.
No longer a recording of bad behaviours and attitudes.If there is a better way then the Spirit leads us to do it,
if we are listening,
and is grieved if we refuse to do so,
and we learn and move on.
Oh right now that Jesus paid for our sin and we have the Spirit Now we can get angry with our brother or even murder him.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.Nevermind Nick, just nevermind!
Hi kenrch,
I think there are some matters that all men understand from conscience even before the Spirit starts to reeducate us. It is now not according to the mind but again under conscience and taught by the Spirit.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 29 2006,19:44) Hi kenrch,
I think there are some matters that all men understand from conscience even before the Spirit starts to reeducate us.
Nick I asked that you leave me out of your game. I won't play your game anymore Nick. You do whatever you want and say whatever you want, just leave me out.Hi kenrch,
Having grown up under the misconception we were under law it is hard to adapt to the forgiving love of our father God. But we were never under OT law anyway as gentiles and were destined for perishing.Rom 2
“9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11For there is no respect of persons with God.
12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;”
Hi,
Doug Batchelor is of this tradition.
This is his teaching about salvation.6. What must I do in order to obtain this gift of salvation?
Are you drowning in sin? Jesus will rescue you at once if you will ask Him.
“Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:24. “A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” Romans 3:28.Answer: The only thing I can do is to accept it as a pure gift. My works of obedience will not help me one bit in the justification experience. All who ask for salvation in faith will receive it. The worst reprobate sinner will be accepted on the same basis as the most moral do-gooder. The past does not count. Remember, God loves everyone alike, and forgiveness is for the asking. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8, 9
No need for repentance and rebirth??
Hi Nick
Did you point this out for me? Also where did you get that question because I am on his site looking for it and I cant find the exact question you have up there.
Hugs
PhoenixHi p,
I found his site and did a search on salvation as the teaching on that is always the most critical. If you do not lead sheep to the gate and get them to enter you are just preparing them for the barbeque.Hi Nick
Show me where it is please Nick. I would like to see his answer for myself. I am on his site Amazing Facts. Doug has heaps of websites so im trying to figure out which one you were at. ThanksHugs
PhoenixQuote (Phoenix @ Mar. 01 2007,06:22) Hi Nick
Show me where it is please Nick. I would like to see his answer for myself. I am on his site Amazing Facts. Doug has heaps of websites so im trying to figure out which one you were at. ThanksHugs
Phoenix
Hi P,
Go to
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RESCUE FROM ABOVE.Hi Nick
Thanks. I have read it and hmmm I thought he wasnt being informative meaning he was being brief … I went to baptism under bible questions and he says something disturbing there too. So… yeah…. doesnt sound too good.
Oh well. I will have to keep looking then.
Hugs
PhoenixHi P,
The world is full of popular successful false teachers. We were warned not to go after other Christs. It is a good way to make a buck.They do no useful thing if their teaching does not lead folk to Christ as the worst thing is to grasp a false religion believing you are saved and finish up in the pit with them.
Trust God. He knows you and loves you and will smooth the path for you.
Hi Nick
Oh Dont get me wrong. Just because he said something unsurely in one place doesnt put me off study with him. In fact he mentions in another lesson that there will be a lesson (or seminar) coming on Baptism and explains in his opinion it is a serious committment to become baptised (married to the bride). Too be honest that really makes sense. The Holy Spirit shouldnt be taken too lightly. You have to be serious with God. I think more study on the bible and certainty with Faith then the Holy Spirit shall be placed upon you. However, some get it before they even know it.
So until I get to that lesson I will add on to this afterwards. this is my opinion remember.
Hugs
Phoenix
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