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Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2011,12:11) . “Such simple instincts as bees making a beehive could be sufficient to overthrow my whole theory.” ~ Charles Darwin
“Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy.” ~ Charles Darwin
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One of your main prophets has spoken. Show some respect Stu.
Quote (Stu @ June 27 2011,17:06) Quote (t8 @ June 27 2011,12:50) Quote (Stu @ June 25 2011,15:19) You have never even explained the appearance of energy and matter in the universe and I have.
Was it the Gravity God?Or something else.
Please explain the appearance of energy and matter in the universe in your next post.
Try to keep it short if you can.
Then I will do the same.
Already have.But OK, here goes again: Energy arises through the expansion of space-time, gravitational energy to be precise. That gravitational energy is equivalent to matter, into which it got converted according to Einstein's equation. If we were to go into a big crunch in which the Big Bang was reversed, all that energy would be paid back. The universe is expanding today and is still producing energy / matter but not at the same rate it did within the first short period after the beginning of the universe when the expansion rate relative to its initial size was huge.
People have some concept that all the energy and matter in the universe was somehow compressed into a tiny point which exploded, but actually the energy and matter did not exist at that stage, it only came about because of the action of gravity within the expanding space-time.
Now, your turn. Please explain the appearance of energy and matter. And I do mean explain.
Stuart
Great.
I will explain, but it is too late to do that now.For now, it looks like your post is saying that everything equals zero, and gravity makes the pendulum to swing into positive territory then over to negative and back again. Hence your answer is zero and zero needs no cause or God.
But now for the bubble bursting bit.
If there was zero there would be zero now. If zero is being acted upon by something, then that thing is the cause or God.
So it is back to the Gravity God is it Stu?
I do remember reading about your Gravity God earlier, but since you don't praise his name much, coupled with the idea that the Gravity God is a bit too unicorn like, it is easy to forget that you actually took Prophet Hawking's teaching for real.However, in my next post here I will show you how God created the universe and why your Gravity God which has the IQ of zero is no match.
Quote (t8 @ July 01 2011,21:09) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2011,12:11) . “Such simple instincts as bees making a beehive could be sufficient to overthrow my whole theory.” ~ Charles Darwin
“Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy.” ~ Charles Darwin
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One of your main prophets has spoken. Show some respect Stu.
He has not spoken. He was cut off by the moron that quote-mined him.Rather like listening to Bach and having it interrupted by someone doing burnouts in your driveway.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ July 01 2011,21:16) Quote (Stu @ June 27 2011,17:06) Quote (t8 @ June 27 2011,12:50) Quote (Stu @ June 25 2011,15:19) You have never even explained the appearance of energy and matter in the universe and I have.
Was it the Gravity God?Or something else.
Please explain the appearance of energy and matter in the universe in your next post.
Try to keep it short if you can.
Then I will do the same.
Already have.But OK, here goes again: Energy arises through the expansion of space-time, gravitational energy to be precise. That gravitational energy is equivalent to matter, into which it got converted according to Einstein's equation. If we were to go into a big crunch in which the Big Bang was reversed, all that energy would be paid back. The universe is expanding today and is still producing energy / matter but not at the same rate it did within the first short period after the beginning of the universe when the expansion rate relative to its initial size was huge.
People have some concept that all the energy and matter in the universe was somehow compressed into a tiny point which exploded, but actually the energy and matter did not exist at that stage, it only came about because of the action of gravity within the expanding space-time.
Now, your turn. Please explain the appearance of energy and matter. And I do mean explain.
Stuart
Great.
I will explain, but it is too late to do that now.For now, it looks like your post is saying that everything equals zero, and gravity makes the pendulum to swing into positive territory then over to negative and back again. Hence your answer is zero and zero needs no cause or God.
But now for the bubble bursting bit.
If there was zero there would be zero now. If zero is being acted upon by something, then that thing is the cause or God.
So it is back to the Gravity God is it Stu?
I do remember reading about your Gravity God earlier, but since you don't praise his name much, coupled with the idea that the Gravity God is a bit too unicorn like, it is easy to forget that you actually took Prophet Hawking's teaching for real.However, in my next post here I will show you how God created the universe and why your Gravity God which has the IQ of zero is no match.
Why did you not attempt that in this post?Remember, attacking a strawman is not a valid argument.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ July 01 2011,21:09) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2011,12:11) . “Such simple instincts as bees making a beehive could be sufficient to overthrow my whole theory.” ~ Charles Darwin
“Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy.” ~ Charles Darwin
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One of your main prophets has spoken. Show some respect Stu.
Darwin was the first scientist to delve deeply into the science of evolution. It is reasonable that he would have doubts.
Doubts that he himself or other scientists in the last 150 years have resolved.Tim
Quote (Stu @ July 01 2011,22:05) Quote (t8 @ July 01 2011,21:09) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2011,12:11) . “Such simple instincts as bees making a beehive could be sufficient to overthrow my whole theory.” ~ Charles Darwin
“Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy.” ~ Charles Darwin
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One of your main prophets has spoken. Show some respect Stu.
He has not spoken. He was cut off by the moron that quote-mined him.Rather like listening to Bach and having it interrupted by someone doing burnouts in your driveway.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Are you ashamed of what your shaman said?
Will name-calling really change anything?Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2011,15:48) Quote (Stu @ July 01 2011,22:05) Quote (t8 @ July 01 2011,21:09) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2011,12:11) . “Such simple instincts as bees making a beehive could be sufficient to overthrow my whole theory.” ~ Charles Darwin
“Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy.” ~ Charles Darwin
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One of your main prophets has spoken. Show some respect Stu.
He has not spoken. He was cut off by the moron that quote-mined him.Rather like listening to Bach and having it interrupted by someone doing burnouts in your driveway.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Are you ashamed of what your shaman said?
Will name-calling really change anything?
I wasn't calling you names. I was calling the originator of the piece you copied and pasted a moron. As you are probably not capable of quote mining because you don't know anything about science then I wasn't calling you the moron.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 02 2011,17:33) you don't know anything about science Stuart
Hi Stuart,Don't you think this is a little broad based and inaccurate?
Should we call your inaccuracy a lie or a 'false truth'?
You seem to believe in a lot of false truth's!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 02 2011,22:24) Quote (Stu @ July 02 2011,17:33) you don't know anything about science Stuart
Hi Stuart,Don't you think this is a little broad based and inaccurate?
Should we call your inaccuracy a lie or a 'false truth'?
You seem to believe in a lot of false truth's!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Well OK then. If you know about the science that was misrepresented by those quote-mined lines, is it you who deserved the name-calling?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 03 2011,10:04) Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2011,22:24) Quote (Stu @ July 02 2011,17:33) you don't know anything about science Stuart
Hi Stuart,Don't you think this is a little broad based and inaccurate?
Should we call your inaccuracy a lie or a 'false truth'?
You seem to believe in a lot of false truth's!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Well OK then. If you know about the science that was misrepresented by those quote-mined lines, is it you who deserved the name-calling?Stuart
Hi Stuart,So you now admit you were calling me names.
It's up to you Ed, if you want to take responsibility for creationist quote-mining, for misrepresenting real science on behalf of creationism that is no more than a parasite on science then by all means go ahead, and attract the name-calling I will use for any such person.
I am not normally a name-caller, but in the case of creationism such people are morons. They are either that or ignorant, and that problem is cured by education. Those who avoid education, avoid facts and whose only argument is to lie about what real scientists said are…
…morons.
If the cap fits, Ed…
But then you could just say you copied from some other person and now realise that, having educated yourself about what Darwin wrote in the spaces around the extracted quote, you now reject the idea of quote mining.
In case you are not sure what quote mining is, let me give you an example:
Psalm 14:1 There is no God.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 03 2011,11:18) It's up to you Ed, if you want to take responsibility for creationist quote-mining, for misrepresenting real science on behalf of creationism that is no more than a parasite on science then by all means go ahead, and attract the name-calling I will use for any such person. I am not normally a name-caller, but in the case of creationism such people are morons. They are either that or ignorant, and that problem is cured by education. Those who avoid education, avoid facts and whose only argument is to lie about what real scientists said are…
…morons.
If the cap fits, Ed…
But then you could just say you copied from some other person and now realise that, having educated yourself about what Darwin wrote in the spaces around the extracted quote, you now reject the idea of quote mining.
In case you are not sure what quote mining is, let me give you an example:
Psalm 14:1 There is no God.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You are overly sensitive about your prophet Charles Darwin.
You are like Asana Bodhitharta with his prophet Mohammad.Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2011,11:49) Quote (Stu @ July 03 2011,11:18) It's up to you Ed, if you want to take responsibility for creationist quote-mining, for misrepresenting real science on behalf of creationism that is no more than a parasite on science then by all means go ahead, and attract the name-calling I will use for any such person. I am not normally a name-caller, but in the case of creationism such people are morons. They are either that or ignorant, and that problem is cured by education. Those who avoid education, avoid facts and whose only argument is to lie about what real scientists said are…
…morons.
If the cap fits, Ed…
But then you could just say you copied from some other person and now realise that, having educated yourself about what Darwin wrote in the spaces around the extracted quote, you now reject the idea of quote mining.
In case you are not sure what quote mining is, let me give you an example:
Psalm 14:1 There is no God.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You are overly sensitive about your prophet Charles Darwin.
You are like Asana Bodhitharta with his prophet Mohammad.
I don't care if Darwin is proved wrong, in fact that would be cause for massive interest across the whole world of biology. I don't think he will be, but if his work has to be discarded because of new evidence then so be it.I don't think BD feels the same way about Mo, and I don't think you feel the same way about Jesus. Indeed it shouldn't really matter if either existed should it, if it is just the example of a way of living life that is taken from that figure. It doesn't matter that Darwin existed, it is the ideas he published that matter. Evolution had already been well described by others, and Wallace would have published had Darwin not.
But then it matters to you that Jesus actually existed, doesn't it. It is not me who has the guru.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 03 2011,11:59) Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2011,11:49) Quote (Stu @ July 03 2011,11:18) It's up to you Ed, if you want to take responsibility for creationist quote-mining, for misrepresenting real science on behalf of creationism that is no more than a parasite on science then by all means go ahead, and attract the name-calling I will use for any such person. I am not normally a name-caller, but in the case of creationism such people are morons. They are either that or ignorant, and that problem is cured by education. Those who avoid education, avoid facts and whose only argument is to lie about what real scientists said are…
…morons.
If the cap fits, Ed…
But then you could just say you copied from some other person and now realise that, having educated yourself about what Darwin wrote in the spaces around the extracted quote, you now reject the idea of quote mining.
In case you are not sure what quote mining is, let me give you an example:
Psalm 14:1 There is no God.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You are overly sensitive about your prophet Charles Darwin.
You are like Asana Bodhitharta with his prophet Mohammad.
I don't care if Darwin is proved wrong, in fact that would be cause for massive interest across the whole world of biology. I don't think he will be, but if his work has to be discarded because of new evidence then so be it.I don't think BD feels the same way about Mo, and I don't think you feel the same way about Jesus. Indeed it shouldn't really matter if either existed should it, if it is just the example of a way of living life that is taken from that figure. It doesn't matter that Darwin existed, it is the ideas he published that matter. Evolution had already been well described by others, and Wallace would have published had Darwin not.
But then it matters to you that Jesus actually existed, doesn't it. It is not me who has the guru.
Stuart
Hi Stuart, … the proof of Jesus is rock solid! And…
so is the “Proof of God”, so you don't have to worry.God's Signature
Proof of God=117
GOD(26) → The Bible(63) → AKJV Bible(74) → The LORD JEHOVAH(151)יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is[The Bible's Center Chapter], and
the [smallest chapter] in the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2011,13:28) Hi Stuart, … the proof of Jesus is rock solid! And…
so is the “Proof of God”, so you don't have to worry.
So I take it then, by your reversion to mindless bluff that you tacitly acknowledge that quote mining is moronic.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 03 2011,14:32) Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2011,13:28) Hi Stuart, … the proof of Jesus is rock solid! And…
so is the “Proof of God”, so you don't have to worry.
So I take it then, by your reversion to mindless bluff that you tacitly acknowledge that quote mining is moronic.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Rock solid proof of God's existence (according to Stuart) is mindless buff?
You need to shake the cob-webs out from your atheist brainwashing;
and “expand your God given mind” to consider scientific evidence.Quote you tacitly acknowledge that quote mining is moronic.
Only when segments of words are taken out of context
to make the quoted words appear as if something else is being said.
This is hardly the case with the two separate quotes about Charles Darwin's doubts.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ July 03 2011,23:45) In that case I require you to acknowledge the biblically-stated claim that there is no god. Stuart
Hi Stuart,No such banana! … Isaiah 45:14 is the closest you can get.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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