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Quote (Stu @ June 11 2011,22:20) Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt.H.L. Mencken
Nice one in certain circumstances.But some once believed that flight was impossible for man and the domain of birds and insects. This doubt probably didn't contribute to civilization much, if at all.
Quote (Stu @ June 11 2011,22:02) You are still dodging by resting your case before you have established that Big Bang cosmology and evolutionary biology are crazier than an Imaginary Friend having itself killed to impress itself after writing a book about unicorns and talking snakes. Stuart
What.All I can see is a monkey talking about unicorns at first glance. I am not sure I want to read the post slowly only to discover that indeed it is a monkey talking about unicorns.
Quote (t8 @ June 13 2011,11:59) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2011,22:02) You are still dodging by resting your case before you have established that Big Bang cosmology and evolutionary biology are crazier than an Imaginary Friend having itself killed to impress itself after writing a book about unicorns and talking snakes. Stuart
What.All I can see is a monkey talking about unicorns at first glance. I am not sure I want to read the post slowly only to discover that indeed it is a monkey talking about unicorns.
I am an ape, not a monkey. I have taken the time to learn about your fantasy stories, you might have the courtesy to get a few points of my reality stories correct.I am an ape of the same species that invented talk of unicorns in Job 39:9-12, Psalm 29:6 and Isaiah 34:7.
And the same ape species that described a talking donkey in its fantasy writing called Numbers 22:28-30.
And let's not forget the talking snake and the claim that bats are birds.
And you say that Big Bang cosmology and evolutionary biology are crazier than that.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ June 13 2011,11:56) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2011,22:20) Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt.H.L. Mencken
Nice one in certain circumstances.But some once believed that flight was impossible for man and the domain of birds and insects. This doubt probably didn't contribute to civilization much, if at all.
First you don't read your own quotes and completely misinterpret them, then you read others and get them completely wrong.Try reading the quote again and then your reply. Do you see what went wrong this time??
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ June 13 2011,11:50) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2011,22:03) As previously explained to you, atheism is a religion in the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby. Stuart
That is bull dust.Not believing in God is like not believing in life outside of Earth or life on other planets.
It actually requires proof to not be considered a belief.Simple as that.
I recommend a dictionary.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ June 13 2011,20:36) I am an ape, not a monkey.
But the photo/avatar of you looks like a monkey to me. Regardless, I will try to call you an ape, even though you look like a monkey in that pic.Perhaps you could change the avatar to something like this.
Quote (Stu @ June 13 2011,20:40) Quote (t8 @ June 13 2011,11:50) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2011,22:03) As previously explained to you, atheism is a religion in the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby. Stuart
That is bull dust.Not believing in God is like not believing in life outside of Earth or life on other planets.
It actually requires proof to not be considered a belief.Simple as that.
I recommend a dictionary.Stuart
I recommend that you see the need to have proof on anything you think is true, unless you have believe it by faith.If you don't believe in life on other planets, then that is a belief. Hence Atheism is also a belief system similar to that. They have no proof that there is no God, just as the former has no proof that there is no life on other planets.
They BELIEVE there is no God. Notice the word that is capitalised.
Case closed. It is a belief and Atheism is the system. Hence, belief system. To believe in anything requires a type of faith. Faith in the truth is true faith. Faith in a lie, is deception.
Atheism = belief, faith, and has it's own system and doctrines.
Religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.See that definition covers atheism. It means more than that of course, but it covers your belief and that is what I am pointing out.
You have a belief. You have faith in that belief and it's proponents and prophets. Your religion partly explains for you the cause and nature of the universe.
Quote (t8 @ June 13 2011,21:31) Quote (Stu @ June 13 2011,20:36) I am an ape, not a monkey.
But the photo/avatar of you looks like a monkey to me. Regardless, I will try to call you an ape, even though you look like a monkey in that pic.Perhaps you could change the avatar to something like this.
It is an image of one of these great ape cousins:
Challenging I know.
Actually knowing about real stuff, I mean.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ June 13 2011,21:42) I recommend that you see the need to have proof on anything you think is true, unless you have believe it by faith. If you don't believe in life on other planets, then that is a belief. Hence Atheism is also a belief system similar to that. They have no proof that there is no God, just as the former has no proof that there is no life on other planets.
They BELIEVE there is no God. Notice the word that is capitalised.
Case closed. It is a belief and Atheism is the system. Hence, belief system. To believe in anything requires a type of faith. Faith in the truth is true faith. Faith in a lie, is deception.
Atheism = belief, faith, and has it's own system and doctrines.
Religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.See that definition covers atheism. It means more than that of course, but it covers your belief and that is what I am pointing out.
You have a belief. You have faith in that belief and it's proponents and prophets. Your religion partly explains for you the cause and nature of the universe.
I don't have proof for anything I know, except that which is mathematical.I am agnostic about whether there is life on other planets. So are you. That is also true of belief in gods. Of course you have never said what you think a god is, so we don't really know what we are expecting as evidence to support that belief.
Atheism is the provisional scientific conclusion that there are no gods, based on the complete lack of unambiguous evidence for anything any god believer has ever claimed. It is also a belief. But then so is the belief that 1+1=2, and that has been proven because you can prove things in maths.
Belief does not equal faith. Not all beliefs require faith. Your book of talking donkeys claims faith is the evidence of things unseen, which is an oxymoron because evidence is what you can see (or collect through your senses, aided or unaided). I believe things based on actual evidence, so what I believe are things that are the opposite to faith. I can't think of a single thing I take on faith. Not UFOs, or tarot cards, or faith healing, or belief that humans can walk again after being executed, or walk on the surface of water, or be born of one parent, or have philosophical discussions with reptiles, or build wooden boats way outside the stress capacity of wood.
I do not have a religion. Perhaps you should try and convince some god-believing others here who deny they have religion that actually they do. That is what the dictionary says about religion.
Perhaps you could look up “belief” while you have it off the shelf.
I bet it is dusty.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ June 13 2011,23:40) I am agnostic about whether there is life on other planets. So are you. That is also true of belief in gods.
Um no. If I was in contact with ET, then I would not be agnostic. Likewise…Quote (Stu @ June 13 2011,23:29) It is an image of one of these great ape cousins: Challenging I know.
Actually knowing about real stuff, I mean.
Stuart
I see, it is a ganga ape. Was a bit hard to tell as you have your face covered.But since you have come out and embraced your apehood publicly, I would suggest that you remove the hand from your face so we can all get a good look at what sort of ape you are.
Anyway, how long has it been since you came down from the trees? Plus, it wouldn't hurt to have a shave once in a while IMO.
Quote (Stu @ June 13 2011,23:40) I don't have proof for anything I know, except that which is mathematical.
Within infinity, any amount of finite is possible, even a zero result depending on where you look. This is what we observe.Starting at zero, means you always have zero and end with zero. Zero produces zero. We do not observe this by reason that we observe things and the fact that we can observe.
If zero produces any other number or equation, then zero is being affected by something which isn't zero. E.g., 0 + 12 =
In that case, you do not start with zero.Todays maths lesson was brought to you by zero and infinity.
This post is the property of the Childrens Television Workshop.Quote (Stu @ June 13 2011,23:40) Belief does not equal faith. Not all beliefs require faith.
Not so Stu.The mere fact of believing something is putting your trust in that something. It may be the lowest form of faith, but it is faith all the same. Faith is trusting something and there are of course levels of trust. If I have a little bit of trust, then it could be called a belief.
E.g., if I believe that I will pass an exam, it is because I have a certain amount of trust that I will indeed pass the exam. If I didn't believe I could pass an exam, then I would also have NO faith in that idea.
You have faith that there is no God because you believe that there is no God. In fact it seems that you have a lot of faith in that idea.
Quote (t8 @ June 14 2011,11:35) Quote (Stu @ June 13 2011,23:40) I am agnostic about whether there is life on other planets. So are you. That is also true of belief in gods.
Um no. If I was in contact with ET, then I would not be agnostic. Likewise…
Aren't you special then.Shame your belief system calls you wretched.
What do the voices in your head tell you to do?
Would that stand up in court?
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ June 14 2011,11:53) Quote (Stu @ June 13 2011,23:29) It is an image of one of these great ape cousins: Challenging I know.
Actually knowing about real stuff, I mean.
Stuart
I see, it is a ganga ape. Was a bit hard to tell as you have your face covered.But since you have come out and embraced your apehood publicly, I would suggest that you remove the hand from your face so we can all get a good look at what sort of ape you are.
Anyway, how long has it been since you came down from the trees? Plus, it wouldn't hurt to have a shave once in a while IMO.
I am an ape of the species homo sapiens.What are you?
Stuart
I am a daffodil that evolved legs and arms.
45% of my DNA is still the original daffodil, and evolution took care of the rest.Quote (t8 @ June 14 2011,12:02) Quote (Stu @ June 13 2011,23:40) I don't have proof for anything I know, except that which is mathematical.
Within infinity, any amount of finite is possible, even a zero result depending on where you look. This is what we observe.Starting at zero, means you always have zero and end with zero. Zero produces zero. We do not observe this by reason that we observe things and the fact that we can observe.
If zero produces any other number or equation, then zero is being affected by something which isn't zero. E.g., 0 + 12 =
In that case, you do not start with zero.Todays maths lesson was brought to you by zero and infinity.
This post is the property of the Childrens Television Workshop.
You understand neither zero nor infinity.What is 1/0 ?
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ June 14 2011,19:58) I am a daffodil that evolved legs and arms.
45% of my DNA is still the original daffodil, and evolution took care of the rest.
You are not descended from daffodils.Stuart
My great great great… grandflower was.
How else do you explain 45% DNA in common.All credit to Evolution and a big thanks, because I would find it boring sitting a field all day.
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