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Quote (Stu @ Nov. 22 2009,06:17) How can you claim that a god that set the death penalty against eating from the tree of knowledge (even though he didn't carry out the threat) wants us to be knowledgeable? How does this god's “knowledge” (I can't see how you could possibly be qualified to comment on it) 'touch our understanding' of archeology, geology or cosmology? Just about everything in those sciences utterly contradicts Genesis!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You show how little you know of the Scriptures!
Gen:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen:3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:2Pt:3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years…The longest living person was Methuselah; who didn't make it to “Day Two”! (969)
Gen:5:27: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. Get your mythology(according to Stuart) right!Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2010,10:55) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 22 2009,06:17) How can you claim that a god that set the death penalty against eating from the tree of knowledge (even though he didn't carry out the threat) wants us to be knowledgeable? How does this god's “knowledge” (I can't see how you could possibly be qualified to comment on it) 'touch our understanding' of archeology, geology or cosmology? Just about everything in those sciences utterly contradicts Genesis!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You show how little you know of the Scriptures!
Gen:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen:3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:2Pt:3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years…The longest living person was Methuselah; who didn't make it to “Day Two”! (969)
Gen:5:27: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. Get your mythology(according to Stuart) right!
Huh?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 06 2010,21:37) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2010,10:55) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 22 2009,06:17) How can you claim that a god that set the death penalty against eating from the tree of knowledge (even though he didn't carry out the threat) wants us to be knowledgeable? How does this god's “knowledge” (I can't see how you could possibly be qualified to comment on it) 'touch our understanding' of archeology, geology or cosmology? Just about everything in those sciences utterly contradicts Genesis!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You show how little you know of the Scriptures!
Gen:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen:3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:2Pt:3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years…The longest living person was Methuselah; who didn't make it to “Day Two”! (969)
Gen:5:27: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. Get your mythology(according to Stuart) right!
Huh?Stuart
Hi Stuart,You said the threat was not carried out?
Man was created to live forever, but because of eating of the tree of knowledge of
Good and evil he never made the 1,000 year mark or “one God day”. (2Peter 3:8)Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2010,20:43) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 06 2010,21:37) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2010,10:55) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 22 2009,06:17) How can you claim that a god that set the death penalty against eating from the tree of knowledge (even though he didn't carry out the threat) wants us to be knowledgeable? How does this god's “knowledge” (I can't see how you could possibly be qualified to comment on it) 'touch our understanding' of archeology, geology or cosmology? Just about everything in those sciences utterly contradicts Genesis!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You show how little you know of the Scriptures!
Gen:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen:3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:2Pt:3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years…The longest living person was Methuselah; who didn't make it to “Day Two”! (969)
Gen:5:27: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. Get your mythology(according to Stuart) right!
Huh?Stuart
Hi Stuart,You said the threat was not carried out?
Man was created to live forever, but because of eating of the tree of knowledge of
Good and evil he never made the 1,000 year mark or “one God day”. (2Peter 3:8)Ed J
So by the same logic, your god created plants one thousand years before he created the sun upon which they depend for energy.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,22:07) So by the same logic, your god created plants one thousand years before he created the sun upon which they depend for energy.
No, that is what your logic thinks it says.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2010,16:21) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,22:07) So by the same logic, your god created plants one thousand years before he created the sun upon which they depend for energy.
No, that is what your logic thinks it says.
You are free to correct me. After all it is your fantasy story we are discussing here.Did the plants have to wait thousands of years for the sun that provides them with food? Or was it just a literal Earth day, a period easily survivable without sunlight?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,22:07) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2010,20:43) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 06 2010,21:37) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2010,10:55) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 22 2009,06:17) How can you claim that a god that set the death penalty against eating from the tree of knowledge (even though he didn't carry out the threat) wants us to be knowledgeable? How does this god's “knowledge” (I can't see how you could possibly be qualified to comment on it) 'touch our understanding' of archeology, geology or cosmology? Just about everything in those sciences utterly contradicts Genesis!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You show how little you know of the Scriptures!
Gen:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen:3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:2Pt:3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years…The longest living person was Methuselah; who didn't make it to “Day Two”! (969)
Gen:5:27: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. Get your mythology(according to Stuart) right!
Huh?Stuart
Hi Stuart,You said the threat was not carried out?
Man was created to live forever, but because of eating of the tree of knowledge of
Good and evil he never made the 1,000 year mark or “one God day”. (2Peter 3:8)Ed J
So by the same logic, your God created plants one thousand years before he created the sun upon which they depend for energy.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Get your FACTS straight…
Gen.1:1-5 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of
the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light
from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness
he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgOr, Ed, you could correct your facts:
Genesis1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
This is the day after the creation of plants now:
1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.Which of the “lights” in the firmament rules over the day? Which is the sign for a year?
The sun is the only “light”, that corresponds to these descriptions, the same sun that was supposedly created on the fourth day, a “day” after plants.
Stuart
Stu,
I'm sure your asking, knowing that we will respond with the moon so you can then smugly point out that the moon is not a source of light but only reflects the sun. I would like to point out that the majority of the light from a flashlight is also reflected light but we refer to it as light.Wm
Sorry if I misjudged you but it is obvious you take pleasure in trashing our belief.
Stu,
As to the sun coming along on the 4th day some believe that refers to the clearing of the sky so it became visible from earth, but it was there from day one. Others believe that the light (possibly the Son not the sun) referred to on day 1 could sustain the plant life much as referred to in Revelation where it says we will have no need of the sun. The sun heats and illuminates as must the presence of God since a water planet with no sun is an ice planet and He parted the waters prior to day 4 also.My opinion – Wm
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 08 2010,21:25) Or, Ed, you could correct your facts: Genesis1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
This is the day after the creation of plants now:
1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.Which of the “lights” in the firmament rules over the day? Which is the sign for a year?
The sun is the only “light”, that corresponds to these descriptions, the same sun that was supposedly created on the fourth day, a “day” after plants.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Gen.1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide
the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen.1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.This is the account of the stars seen at night.
With them, we can see and navigate at night!Gen.1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
This(Gen1:16) is an addition of “the Moon”(the lessor light) to Gen.1:3-4(the account of the Sun);
Gen.1:4 refers to the 'spin' of the Earth! Gen.1:16 is your 'spin' of trying to discredit “The Bible”!Ed J
Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 09 2010,04:56) Stu,
I'm sure your asking, knowing that we will respond with the moon so you can then smugly point out that the moon is not a source of light but only reflects the sun. I would like to point out that the majority of the light from a flashlight is also reflected light but we refer to it as light.Wm
Sorry if I misjudged you but it is obvious you take pleasure in trashing our belief.
Not sure what the flashlight has to do with it, and the Moon cannot be described as a lesser version of the sun, because the Moon is not luminous at all, as can be seen from the fact that it had phases during which some parts of it cannot be seen, even though it is spherical.But fair enough. It just goes to show that the Judeo-christian scripture is a reflection of the ideas of its time.
Stuart
Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 09 2010,05:12) Stu,
As to the sun coming along on the 4th day some believe that refers to the clearing of the sky so it became visible from earth, but it was there from day one. Others believe that the light (possibly the Son not the sun) referred to on day 1 could sustain the plant life much as referred to in Revelation where it says we will have no need of the sun. The sun heats and illuminates as must the presence of God since a water planet with no sun is an ice planet and He parted the waters prior to day 4 also.My opinion – Wm
On earth there is no light without the sun. So this other light must be some other divine magical source of light. I'm not sure why you feel the need to try and explain it with science, or by inventing new scripture.Of course there is so much else wrong with it that you cannot take it as any more than ancient mythology.
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2010,13:28) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 08 2010,21:25) Or, Ed, you could correct your facts: Genesis1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
This is the day after the creation of plants now:
1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.Which of the “lights” in the firmament rules over the day? Which is the sign for a year?
The sun is the only “light”, that corresponds to these descriptions, the same sun that was supposedly created on the fourth day, a “day” after plants.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Gen.1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide
the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen.1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.This is the account of the stars seen at night.
With them, we can see and navigate at night!Gen.1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
This(Gen1:16) is an addition of “the Moon”(the lessor light) to Gen.1:3-4(the account of the Sun);
Gen.1:4 refers to the 'spin' of the Earth! Gen.1:16 is your 'spin' of trying to discredit “The Bible”!Ed J
Please go back and read about what the lights in Gen 1:14 are supposed to achieve. The other stars do not achieve a distinction between day and night, it is only the sun that makes this distinction possible. Other stars do not give “light upon the earth”: a night sky does not illuminate the Earth at all.Don't forget too that you can often see the moon during the day.
Sorry Ed but seekingtruth's excuses were better.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 09 2010,17:03) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2010,13:28) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 08 2010,21:25) Or, Ed, you could correct your facts: Genesis1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
This is the day after the creation of plants now:
1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.Which of the “lights” in the firmament rules over the day? Which is the sign for a year?
The sun is the only “light”, that corresponds to these descriptions, the same sun that was supposedly created on the fourth day, a “day” after plants.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Gen.1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide
the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen.1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.This is the account of the stars seen at night.
With them, we can see and navigate at night!Gen.1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
This(Gen1:16) is an addition of “the Moon”(the lessor light) to Gen.1:3-4(the account of the Sun);
Gen.1:4 refers to the 'spin' of the Earth! Gen.1:16 is your 'spin' of trying to discredit “The Bible”!Ed J
Please go back and read about what the lights in Gen 1:14 are supposed to achieve. The other stars do not achieve a distinction between day and night, it is only the sun that makes this distinction possible. Other stars do not give “light upon the earth”: a night sky does not illuminate the Earth at all.Don't forget too that you can often see the moon during the day.
Sorry Ed but seekingtruth's excuses were better.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Your lack of understanding shines forth.
Your misrepresented view (of Gen.1:16) is NOT up for a 'vote'!
Gen.1:4 is God's “Spin”; Your misrepresented view of Gen.1:16 is your 'spin'!Gen.1:3 And God said, Let there be light(The Sun): and there was light(The Sun).
Gen.1:4 And God saw the light(The Sun), that it was good:
…and God divided the light from the darkness.This last Part of Gen.1:4 Speaks of the Earths rotation!
You need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151, to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (AKJV Eph.4:22-24)
There is NO contradiction there! You should really learn what the bible teaches…
“The Savior”=117 is [117=יהוה האלהים](JEHOVAH GOD); Known as “GOD The Father”=117!God's Name [יהוה] translates DIRECTLY into English as “YHVH”=63
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.I added “Color” to help you grasp the “Ideas” God has put forth in His Word!
THE “THREE” MAIN (Called:”The Trinity”=148) “FEASTS OF GOD” are Called…1) “The Passover”=148 “The Passover”: made possible “Pentecost”=117
“Messiah: Jesus”=148 “JESUS CHRIST“=151 was the “Testator”=151!2) “Pentecost”=117 Started the “God Spirit”=117(Holy Spirit), which
“Former Rain”=117 is “GOD THE FATHER”=117 reigning in Mankind!3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins The “HOLY SPIRIT”=151(The LORD JEHOVAH=151)
“The Latter Rain”=151 “Tabernacles Feast”=151; the culmination of the “THREE”!A Personal Pentecost for ALL Believers!
Jesus now sits at (the head of the corner) the right hand of “GOD The Father”=117;
Geometry(Block Geomttry=151) and Gematria(The God Numbers=151) can CLEARLY ILLUSTRATE this!
“The Large Box”=117 represents “GOD The Father”=117, “The Box”=74 inside represents “Jesus”=74!
Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD (יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord (יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),
Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength (“HolySpirit“)
out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. (Psalm 124:7-125:1)The “Day of The LORD” is the LAST of the “THREE” great feasts; which we are NOW in!
GOD is indeed ruling: even in the midst of his enemies! (Eccl.9:12-16 / Daniel 11:18)“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13=15)
http://www
.holycitybiblecode.orgEd: tell it to seekingtruth. I don't think he would agree with you.
As far as I am concerned it is all bronze age goat herder mythology.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 09 2010,16:53) the Moon cannot be described as a lesser version of the sun,
It can in the sense that the sun is the source of light and the moon reflects that light. So from our perspective, we have a light in the day and a lesser light some nights.Same thinking with God, he is the source and the son is the image as taught in scripture. So often the sun and moon in that sense is used as a parable, to show how God is greater then the son because God is the source.
You know EdJ, I might actually read your posts if you took all the numbers out.
You built in maths lessons only serve to distract your message.Quote (Stu @ Oct. 18 2009,21:15) Money is a concept, not a material thing.
Paper money.If you tell me how nothing can make something, then we will apply it to making paper money (pref $100 bills) out of nothing. We will also need to patent the method and charge a licencing fee to all who make something out of nothing using the same method.
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