Science and faith can co-exist

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  • #302142
    Stu
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    Quote (t8 @ June 12 2012,19:34)

    Quote (Stu @ April 21 2010,22:59)
    What actually, is intelligent design?


    I will make it real simple for you.


    It’s REALLY SIMPLE, not “real simple”. You could perhaps resist the slovenly language of the bible belt.

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    If you see 100 rocks sprawled randomly at the side of a river, they were likely deposited there by the river. If you see a group of rocks laid in a circular wall about 5 feet high, by reason of that pattern, it is highly unlikely that an unintelligent force like the river created that pattern and more likely that a person or persons (intelligent designer) put them there instead.


    So what? Walls are built by humans, and other animals. What is your point?

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    With this most basic of irrefutable logic, you can go from there.


    Sure, we can go over the same mindless moronic discussion we were having five years ago. Buses are designed, houses are designed, computers are designed, computers are coded by (sometimes) intelligent coders. So what?

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    However, I think you are likely stuck at this point and will argue in such a way as to prove that a circular wall of rocks can be put there by the river. Of course you will just use a different carefully crafted example so as to not sound as stupid.


    I’m not arguing against what you said. I agree.

    But so what?

    Stuart

    #303764
    charity
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    Bad weather can never co-exist in two places at once. As much as Fine weather will never found all over earth… Rain an wind happen in pockets…An its about time Noah was questioned for his lack of Knowledge about the size of earth.

    As mentioned earlier today..perhaps the most important message that approved to the glory of God would be.
    Men Shall learn not to always believe what they think…

    :)

    #303765
    charity
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    Its been loverly POSTING HERE on heaven Net, An Just wanted to Say I wish you all the Best always, all threw eternity…

    Thank you for Having me t8.

    charity

    #309106
    Proclaimer
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    #309241
    Stu
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    “Being surprised at the fact that the universe is fine tuned for life
    is akin to a puddle being surprised at how well it fits its hole”

    Douglas Adams

    #309246
    Proclaimer
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    Yet who is the one who is surprised at such a notion. Not me. You. It is obvious, logical, and not surprising at all.

    The only surprise to be had is from Atheists and those who for the first time see the light I suppose.

    #309323
    david
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    Ive often wondered and admired at how puddles fit the holes they are in so perfectly. Another miracle that cannot be explained.

    There was a study that just came out showing that in the past 6 years, athiests as a group have increased by 500%, going from 1% to 5% in the US, if I remember. (Can someone find this study)

    #309340
    Stu
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    Quote (t8 @ Aug. 14 2012,22:28)
    Yet who is the one who is surprised at such a notion. Not me. You. It is obvious, logical, and not surprising at all.

    The only surprise to be had is from Atheists and those who for the first time see the light I suppose.


    No surprises here.

    But I do appreciate your characterisation of atheists as being amongst those who have seen the light.

    Stuart

    #309342
    Stu
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    Quote (david @ Aug. 15 2012,14:43)
    There was a study that just came out showing that in the past 6 years, athiests as a group have increased by 500%, going from 1% to 5% in the US, if I remember.  (Can someone find this study)


    It all depends on what question you ask. Probably the actual rate of atheism / secular / non-belief in the US is about 15% but it could be that the New Atheists have raised consciousness to the extent that Americans are less averse to stating their non-belief out loud.

    Contrast that with New Zealand, where the trend evident in the census data is that we have now fallen below 50% of the population identifying as christian – and that is against a backdrop of immigration from countries where rates of christian belief are higher, for example the Pacific Islands.

    Stuart

    #309399
    terraricca
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    Quote (Stu @ Aug. 16 2012,02:23)

    Quote (david @ Aug. 15 2012,14:43)
    There was a study that just came out showing that in the past 6 years, athiests as a group have increased by 500%, going from 1% to 5% in the US, if I remember.  (Can someone find this study)


    It all depends on what question you ask.  Probably the actual rate of atheism / secular / non-belief in the US is about 15% but it could be that the New Atheists have raised consciousness to the extent that Americans are less averse to stating their non-belief out loud.

    Contrast that with New Zealand, where the trend evident in the census data is that we have now fallen below 50% of the population identifying as christian – and that is against a backdrop of immigration from countries where rates of christian belief are higher, for example the Pacific Islands.

    Stuart


    yeah this is a trend that will increase as the scandals in organized religion unfolds,

    #309484
    Stu
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    I think probably disorganised religions are suffering a similar fate.

    Stuart

    #309493
    terraricca
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    Quote (Stu @ Aug. 17 2012,00:21)
    I think probably disorganised religions are suffering a similar fate.

    Stuart


    stu

    what is a disorganized religion ???

    #311090
    terraricca
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2012,01:31)

    Quote (Stu @ Aug. 17 2012,00:21)
    I think probably disorganised religions are suffering a similar fate.

    Stuart


    stu

    what is a disorganized religion ???


    stu

    are you going to answer me ???

    #311099
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2012,13:14)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2012,01:31)

    Quote (Stu @ Aug. 17 2012,00:21)
    I think probably disorganised religions are suffering a similar fate.

    Stuart


    stu

    what is a disorganized religion ???


    stu

    are you going to answer me ???


    If you don't get it then explaining it won't help.

    Sorry about that.

    Stuart

    #311105
    terraricca
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    Quote (Stu @ Aug. 30 2012,00:18)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2012,13:14)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2012,01:31)

    Quote (Stu @ Aug. 17 2012,00:21)
    I think probably disorganised religions are suffering a similar fate.

    Stuart


    stu

    what is a disorganized religion ???


    stu

    are you going to answer me ???


    If you don't get it then explaining it won't help.

    Sorry about that.

    Stuart


    :D :D I am asking you because I wanted to know your version of a disorganized religion ,not my own,

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