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I would like to be offended too.
You are all grown adults fighting over fairy tales. I am offended that members of the same species as me would rot their brains on such rubbish. We are not living in ancient Palestine now!
To fight over the nature of demons is to fall out over the poor workmanship on the interior seams of the emperor's new clothes.
Good grief.
Brothers, brothers we should be fighting together…
…we are!
Stuart
Hi Stu,
Funny video. I agree that brothers should be fighting together…we just all have to agree on what the enemy really is in order to do that.
BTW, how many minutes have you logged in so far?
LU
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,21:03) Hi Jodi ,
That was a private warning with no tiles but since you have brought it into the public arena you have offended two people today and others recently have also complained.
While you did not call anyone a liar you did say they were teaching lies.
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Jodi,
If I was afraid of you I would never have started this thread. If a PM to you is how God would have led me, I would have done so long ago. If I was led to answer your questions, I would do so. Don't confuse my past silence towards your behavior as cowardness, hardly! Long suffering and waiting on the Lord is my style. Perhaps the Lord is not that gullible as to think that a PM from someone other than a moderator that has authority would effect you towards your ultimate benefit at this time. I have noticed that when you have been reproved by others it lasts a very short time.BTW, the real cowardness comes when people name call and belittle others that stand up to them.
I for one will never be afraid to report that kind of behavior when I feel led by God to do so!!! Nor will I be afraid to PM someone as I have done before. Above all, may God do the leading! Did you notice that MANY have complained to the mods regarding your posts.
Proverbs 18:2 ” A fool does not delight in understanding, but only in revealing his own mind.”
Learn…
Well, now that we have attention to this thread…
Note this link takes you to a short video which is the third in a series. After you watch it you may want to watch the first two to get the bigger picture. It is this video that shows you the victory of this poor brother who now rejoices in the Lord for his freedom from the evil spirits that were within him. This video begins near the beginning of a testimony and shows flashbacks to the manifestations of his demons. Also note that the onlookers are NOT afraid nor is the “Man of God.” This video does NOT teach the fear of demons or satan…it teaches that the Lord is MUCH MORE POWERFUL than them and it warns others of believing the lie that they should choose the power of witchcraft over a surrendered life to our Lord.
Don't miss that message
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDduhi8Ig7Q&feature=related
There are many testimonies like this…this is happening in our day! Choose for yourselves whether demons are real or not.
There is wonder working power in the blood of the Lamb! PTL
And the Wicked Witch of the East cries out…”I'm meeeeeeeelting” -Wizard of Oz
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2009,13:03) Hi Jodi ,
That was a private warning with no tiles but since you have brought it into the public arena you have offended two people today and others recently have also complained.
While you did not call anyone a liar you did say they were teaching lies.
.
Nick,
Haven't you yourself said that people were teaching lies?thinker
Irene said:
Quote thinker Wishful thinking that Satan has been destroyed. No such luck yet. Show us that Scripture. One day he will, but that day is not here yet.
If that would be so, first of all were is He. The lake of fire will one day destroy him and along with him all ungodly man, and Anti-Christ. Look in Hollywood and Las Vegas. Even in our back yard, look at some of the teenagers how they behave, is that Godly? When Satan is finally destroyed, there will be none of that present here. No more sorrow and no more tears, no more sickness. I will be so glad, my Friend when that is done, and I am looking so forward to that.
Peace and love IreneIrene,
Jesus said,Quote NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of this world cast out (John 12:32) Satan is NOT alive and well today. Jesus said “NOW the prince of this world is cast out.”
thinker
Lightenup said:
Quote There is a big difference between the typical teens and those that make a blood pact with satan. Kathi,
This is the most outrageous statement I have ever read from you or anyone. You actually believe that teens can make a pact with satan? Come on! According to law a teenager cannot make a “pact” (contract) with another person because they do not understand. Yet you expect us to believe that a teen can make a pact with the devil. I hope you have never told your teens that they had made a pact with the devil when they misbehaved. This would be a most cruel thing to say indeed. I am disappointed in you to say the least!John said that Jesus destroyed the works of the devil. Your talk about young people making “pacts” with satan implies that Christ's death was ineffectual. My opinion of your grasp of reality has come to a low.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ June 30 2009,14:19) Lightenup said: Quote There is a big difference between the typical teens and those that make a blood pact with satan. Kathi,
This is the most outrageous statement I have ever read from you or anyone. You actually believe that teens can make a pact with satan? Come on! According to law a teenager cannot make a “pact” (contract) with another person because they do not understand. Yet you expect us to believe that a teen can make a pact with the devil. I hope you have never told your teens that they had made a pact with the devil when they misbehaved. This would be a most cruel thing to say indeed. I am disappointed in you to say the least!John said that Jesus destroyed the works of the devil. Your talk about young people making “pacts” with satan implies that Christ's death was ineffectual. My opinion of your grasp of reality has come to a low.
thinker
Thinker,
Good grief…what a leap you have made. Read my words again. Search the web and learn for yourself. Teens are making blood pacts with the devil (and it is not because I say so). If a teen is going to make a pact with the devil do you for one moment think that they care that the law thinks they are too young OR that they do not understand what they are doing? People do not understand truth…that is why they would do such a stupid thing in the first place!Your mind is revealed as it leaps to the assumption that I would suggest that my kids made a pact with the devil. My kids, BTW have never acted as foolishly as some on this board even at their worst.
Obviously you have not watched the video, you ought to do so before you post on this thread, if you have the courage to that is.
http://www.google.com/search?….e=UTF-8
Wow, this thread is really ruffling some feathers…hmmm!
Kathi
Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2009,13:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,21:03) Hi Jodi ,
That was a private warning with no tiles but since you have brought it into the public arena you have offended two people today and others recently have also complained.
While you did not call anyone a liar you did say they were teaching lies.
.
Jodi,
If I was afraid of you I would never have started this thread. If a PM to you is how God would have led me, I would have done so long ago. If I was led to answer your questions, I would do so. Don't confuse my past silence towards your behavior as cowardness, hardly! Long suffering and waiting on the Lord is my style. Perhaps the Lord is not that gullible as to think that a PM from someone other than a moderator that has authority would effect you towards your ultimate benefit at this time. I have noticed that when you have been reproved by others it lasts a very short time.BTW, the real cowardness comes when people name call and belittle others that stand up to them.
I for one will never be afraid to report that kind of behavior when I feel led by God to do so!!! Nor will I be afraid to PM someone as I have done before. Above all, may God do the leading! Did you notice that MANY have complained to the mods regarding your posts.
Proverbs 18:2 ” A fool does not delight in understanding, but only in revealing his own mind.”
Learn…
Hi KathiGood points!
Name calling and condescending, patronizing, “teacher to student” or “parent to child” attitudes in most cases are just a front for weakness and imaturity.
Jesus, Knowing who he was, girded himself and washed the disciples feet.
“Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands“, and that he was come from God, and went to God; He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. After that he poureth water into a bason, and “began to wash the disciples' feet“, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. John 13:3-5
So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you? Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for [so] I am. If I then, [your] Lord and Master, have washed your feet; “ye also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. John 13:12-16
Mean spirited dialogue should have no place among believers. I for one will admit that at times I have fallen short of being graceful in my dialogue. But I do strive not to attack the person by having a patronizing, condescending attitude.
Help us Lord that we may love one another!
Blessings WJ
All I have done is state the obvious. When one person believes another person's belief is not the truth then they see the other person's belief as a lie.
Why exactly are you so offended by that? You and Irene believe that my understanding is a lie, don't you, that fallen angels don't exist? You believe that they do, therefore my belief to you is a lie, is it not? If you stated that I was teaching lies, why would I be offended by what I already know you think?
Is that how it works for you Kathi, anyone who does not think or believe as you do, is an offense to you?
I never implied that you were afraid of me. What I was implying was that it's apparent that you'd rather resort to shenanigans, then take the time to prove your position with scripture.
You posted the video that teaches that when a person accepts the Lord as their savior that person is assigned two or more demons to try and influence them away from God's path.
I have asked you to do a simple task and back that belief up with scripture. I showed through scripture how I believe that belief to be a lie, and you choose instead of defending your position with scripture to run off and complain to the moderator that your offended.
Which offends you more, that I announced on the forum that I believe your teaching lies, or is the opinion itself that I truly believe you are teaching lies, that's offensive to you? Which is it?
Kathi I am the one on this forum that has supplied ample scripture to back up my understanding.
Proverbs 18:2 “A fool does not delight in understanding, but only in revealing his own mind.”
I believe I referred to your belief being a lie not because of my own mind, but because of what the scriptures have shown my mind.
There's a big difference there.
Instead of taking the time to try and silence my opinion that I think you teach lies, why don't you take the time to prove I'm wrong. Wouldn't that serve everyone better?
Nick said two people have complained today and others recently have complained, if that is what you would like to constitute as MANY, I guess that's your prerogative. Like I said before I don't like secrecy, and therefore it would be nice if the others came forth and told me personally how they felt. Like I said this feels like junior high school. It certainly would be more helpful if I at least knew what the 'others' thought was particularly offensive.
Regardless of all that, I hope you learned something about my post on 'the wicked one'. As well, I hope the link I gave you exposing Stephen Dollins and his prophecy club to be nothing but a group of swindling false apostles and prophets, was an eye opener for you.
I can't imagine having a life like yours Kathi, it's very sad and unfortunate that you have to live your life thinking you constantly have demons surrounding you being intimate with you. Why don't you share with us your personal experiences with these demons that are with you around the clock. Do they speak with you on a regular basis, or do you not even know that they are there?
Quote (thethinker @ June 30 2009,13:57) Irene said: Quote thinker Wishful thinking that Satan has been destroyed. No such luck yet. Show us that Scripture. One day he will, but that day is not here yet.
If that would be so, first of all were is He. The lake of fire will one day destroy him and along with him all ungodly man, and Anti-Christ. Look in Hollywood and Las Vegas. Even in our back yard, look at some of the teenagers how they behave, is that Godly? When Satan is finally destroyed, there will be none of that present here. No more sorrow and no more tears, no more sickness. I will be so glad, my Friend when that is done, and I am looking so forward to that.
Peace and love IreneIrene,
Jesus said,Quote NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of this world cast out (John 12:32) Satan is NOT alive and well today. Jesus said “NOW the prince of this world is cast out.”
thinker
Hi ThinkerCast out but not bound!
WJ
Hey! When did the thinker get a little off-white square? Was s/he arguing for something that is a fantasy over someone else's idea of the fantasy?
Stuart
Jodi,
You have obviously missed the message which has been that those in Christ have NOTHING to FEAR with the evil powers that are in the world whether there are familiar spirits that are aware of us or not. The power is in the blood of Christ NOT in the power of darkness.BTW, if there are spirits around me, they have no part of me because God keeps me safe. Don’t miss that message either. I have NO association with them.
I can't speak for you, but greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world.
LU
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 30 2009,14:57) Quote (thethinker @ June 30 2009,13:57) Irene said: Quote thinker Wishful thinking that Satan has been destroyed. No such luck yet. Show us that Scripture. One day he will, but that day is not here yet.
If that would be so, first of all were is He. The lake of fire will one day destroy him and along with him all ungodly man, and Anti-Christ. Look in Hollywood and Las Vegas. Even in our back yard, look at some of the teenagers how they behave, is that Godly? When Satan is finally destroyed, there will be none of that present here. No more sorrow and no more tears, no more sickness. I will be so glad, my Friend when that is done, and I am looking so forward to that.
Peace and love IreneIrene,
Jesus said,Quote NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of this world cast out (John 12:32) Satan is NOT alive and well today. Jesus said “NOW the prince of this world is cast out.”
thinker
Hi ThinkerCast out but not bound!
WJ
Thank you Keith for your encouragement and for pointing this out.I would not be surprised if we find a thread popping up on here that is entitled “satanism covered-up” as that would seem to be in line with what some on here are doing.
Pray,
KathiKathi I think you'd be better off proving your belief with scripture and not You Tube garbage, just my opinion.
It is interesting to see how some believe the video and others find it completely false.
I like what one guy posted about the video, he said, “buncha fruitloops faking if you ask me.”
I agree with this assessment, that was posted,“The 'possessed' man is either mental or an actor.”
Quote (thethinker @ July 01 2009,05:57) Irene said: Quote thinker Wishful thinking that Satan has been destroyed. No such luck yet. Show us that Scripture. One day he will, but that day is not here yet.
If that would be so, first of all were is He. The lake of fire will one day destroy him and along with him all ungodly man, and Anti-Christ. Look in Hollywood and Las Vegas. Even in our back yard, look at some of the teenagers how they behave, is that Godly? When Satan is finally destroyed, there will be none of that present here. No more sorrow and no more tears, no more sickness. I will be so glad, my Friend when that is done, and I am looking so forward to that.
Peace and love IreneIrene,
Jesus said,Quote NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of this world cast out (John 12:32) Satan is NOT alive and well today. Jesus said “NOW the prince of this world is cast out.”
thinker
thinker Satan is cast out of Heaven. Not from our world.
In fact he is considered the God of this world.
Rev. 7-10 He cannot accuse us anymore to God. He has lost to go into Heaven.
IreneQuote (Lightenup @ July 01 2009,07:50) Jodi,
You have obviously missed the message which has been that those in Christ have NOTHING to FEAR with the evil powers that are in the world whether there are familiar spirits that are aware of us or not. The power is in the blood of Christ NOT in the power of darkness.BTW, if there are spirits around me, they have no part of me because God keeps me safe. Don’t miss that message either. I have NO association with them.
I can't speak for you, but greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world.
LU
You said, ” It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan.”Then you posted a video telling us that demons are assigned to everyone who accepts Christ as their savior, and they follow them around constantly to get them to try and fall. That does not sound like people have been given liberty, but have been given a whole new set of chains.
If God were working to make sure you stay safe then why would He allow demons to be around you all the time with the main goal of trying to get you off your walk with God?
Galatians 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! 16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
We have been called to liberty but we need to make sure that we do not use it as an opportunity to serve the flesh. What is in the world is SIN, of which scripture directly tells us comes from man serving his FLESH, not serving invisible beings. Sin is said to be produced from man's own imagination, for the carnal mind is at enmity against God.
Once again could you please show your scriptural support that says once you accept Jesus your assigned demons to follow you around all the time for the rest of your life?
Hi Jodi,
Who said just ACCEPTING JESUS played any part in salvation?Man is occupied territory since Eden and we are to be overcomers in the power of the Spirit.
We are even promised that God will crush Satan under our feet.[Rom16.20]
The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number: 07853 Browse Lexicon
Original WordWord Origin
!tXa primitive root
Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
SatanTWOT – 2252
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
saw-tan' Verb
Definition1. (Qal) to be or act as an adversary, resist, oppose
King James Word Usage – Total: 6
adversary 5, resist 1=================================
Ps 38:20 They also that render evil for good are mine adversaries; because I follow the thing that good is.
Ps 71:13 Let them be confounded and consumed that are adversaries to my soul; let them be covered with reproach and dishonour that seek my hurt.
Ps 109:4 For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer.
Ps 109:20 Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the LORD, and of them that speak evil against my soul.
Ps 109:29 Let mine adversaries be clothed with shame, and let them cover themselves with their own confusion, as with a mantle.
Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
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The KJV Old Testament Hebrew LexiconStrong's Number: 07854 Browse Lexicon
Original WordWord Origin
!tXfrom (07853)
Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
SatanTWOT – 2252a
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
saw-tawn' Noun Masculine
Definition1. adversary, one who withstands
1. adversary (in general – personal or national)
2. superhuman adversary
1. Satan (as noun pr)King James Word Usage – Total: 27
Satan 19, adversary 7, withstand 1
==========================================Nu 22:22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.
Nu 22:32 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:
1Sa 29:4 And the princes of the Philistines were wroth with him; and the princes of the Philistines said unto him, Make this fellow return, that he may go again to his place which thou hast appointed him, and let him not go down with us to battle, lest in the battle he be an adversary to us: for wherewith should he reconcile himself unto his master? should it not be with the heads of these men?
2Sa 19:22 And David said, What have I to do with you, ye sons of Zeruiah, that ye should this day be adversaries unto me? shall there any man be put to death this day in Israel? for do not I know that I am this day king over Israel?
1Ki 5:4 But now the LORD my God hath given me rest on every side, so that there is neither adversary nor evil occurrent.
1Ki 11:14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.
1Ki 11:23 And God stirred him up another adversary, Rezon the son of Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah:
1Ki 11:25 And he was an adversary to Israel all the days of Solomon, beside the mischief that Hadad did: and he abhorred Israel, and reigned over Syria.
What authority did the translators have to use the word Satan in the following verses instead of how they did previously with adversary?
1Ch 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Job 1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 2:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
Job 2:4 And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
Job 2:7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.
Could it be that the translators were trying to PUSH their doctrinal beliefs? What warrant did they have for using the word Satan instead of adversary? Does not anyone find it suspicious that Satan is the phonetic sound of the Hebrew word for adversary? It looks like they just flat out invented the word?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2009,08:55) Hi Jodi,
Who said just ACCEPTING JESUS played any part in salvation?Man is occupied territory since Eden and we are to be overcomers in the power of the Spirit.
We are even promised that God will crush Satan under our feet.[Rom16.20]
Huh?I'm not quite following, to which words that I previously spoke are you referring this post to?
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