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O.k. sorry… MY BAD, I just started reading through the rest of the thread and see what has already been established about the guy not being a high priest for the Christian church.
Now I know I should really read through all posts before I submit anything, sorry guys.
Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2009,04:34) Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 25 2009,06:14) Lightenup:The Truth that I have found is that devils,demons,satan, et.al. are just thought messages against the Truth of God. They are lies and deception and un-truth. These thoughts come to steal the word of Truth from your mind. One who overcomes the lies and deception against the Truth becomes ONE with/in the Truth. I would warn one thing, if a person focuses on thoughts, good or bad,they are empowering them and those thoughts become beliefs and eventually manifest in the life of the person accepting them. You have the mind of Christ, the annointing of God! What you ponder, concentrate and meditate on magnifies in your mind.Thats what is called paying attention. Your mind is very powerful. Even if you don't believe it. Positive energies attract positive and negative energies attract negative. You will create in your life whatever you believe. You are empowering lies and deceptions to a level of powerful fear within the mind with this false information. Fear is ultra destructive to the human body. Find and create love to give to humanity and reap what you sow. Peace to you, TK
Tim,
You are right that there is a battle between lies and truth.
I ask you did Jesus cast out demons or did He cast out lies?Matt 8:28-33
28 When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way.
29 And they cried out, saying, “What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”
30 Now there was a herd of many swine feeding at a distance from them.
31 The demons began to entreat Him, saying, “If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of swine.”
32 And He said to them, “Go!” And they came out and went into the swine, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and perished in the waters.
33 The herdsmen ran away, and went to the city and reported everything, including what had happened to the demoniacs.
NASUSo, do you think that the men were believing lies and that is all that there was to their madness and strength? Can lies and deception be removed just by saying “Go” and then was it lies that the whole herd of swine believed and they were so disturbed that they rushed into the steep bank into the sea and drowned. Have you ever seen a whole herd of pigs kill themselves?
You say:
Quote You are empowering lies and deceptions to a level of powerful fear within the mind with this false information. Are you talking about my words here at the beginning of this thread:
Quote It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God! I have not suggested to anyone that they “fear” the schemes of satan but they should be “aware” of the schemes of satan.
Eph 6:11-12
11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.2 Cor 2:10-11
10 But one whom you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ,
11 so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.
NASUI have not suggested that there is no hope or deliverance from satan's and demon's influence either. I have said that there IS hope and deliverance by the blood of Christ.
You are accusing me of something I have not done.
It is like this:
I am warning of a danger that is real and dangerous according to God's word and to be aware and avoid it.
You seem to be saying that there is no danger, no reason to be aware of it or avoid it.Did you watch the video?
We don't create love…we let it flow from God to others. Love warns of dangers and provides escape.
Love warns the pilot that they are about to crash into the mountain and they better go higher up to miss the mountain.
You say there is no mountain…it is all in your head, then splat…smoke and deadly silence!
According to the Bible there is a “mountain.” God provides an escape.Matt 8:16
16 When evening came, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed; and He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were ill.Matt 9:33
33 After the demon was cast out, the mute man spoke; and the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “Nothing like this has ever been seen in Israel.”Matt 10:7-8
7 “And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
8 “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.Matt 12:28
28 “But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.Mark 1:34
34 And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they knew who He was.Mark 3:14-15
14 And He appointed twelve, so that they would be with Him and that He could send them out to preach,
15 and to have authority to cast out the demons.Mark 16:9
9 [Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.Mark 16:17
17 “These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;There are many testimonies of demons with evil powers deceiving the minds of the unaware on the web, I really doubt that all of them are giving false testimony. Many claim they are born again and exalt and praise God for His deliverance through Jesus.
If satan and demons are real evil spiritual beings then one of their schemes is to make you believe there is no “mountain.”
Love informs of real dangers,
Kathi
LU, when it was said that Jesus cast out the evil spirits it was said that Jesus was healing them, not forgiving them for their sins and casting out the influence of their sins.Show me ONE example where a person in the gospel was sinning because they were being inflicted by an evil spirit? People who were suffering from an evil spirit were outcasts to society, they could not function, they were mad and sometimes blind and deaf too. They were not going around consciously sinning or influencing others to sin.
Mind you the OT tells us that God ALONE has the ability to inflict people. The OT gives direct examples of God causing MADNESS. The bible says that it is God who makes the deaf, dumb, mute and blind. The OT gives direct examples of God sending evil spirits.
When you teach that other beings have YHWH
9;s powers that He alone says he has you are creating a false god.Sin is said to come from WITHIN the imagination of men, that it comes from their own hearts and minds. Scripture says that it is MAN that is the INVENTOR of evil ways.
You know I read something very interesting the other day about Babylonian culture and their practices and I've been meaning to mention it. When a person was sick, it was thought that they were being inflicted by an evil spirit entity. Common practice to cure a person was for a priest to perform a ritual where they believed they could transfer the spirit from the person to an animal and then kill the spirit by killing the animal. Does that sound familiar to anyone? When Jesus healed the man and transferred the disease to the pigs, was he doing so to show that rebel spirits do exist, or was he doing it to show that he indeed was God's son, since he used God's intelligence to remove the evil spirits?
If the evil spirits were more then diseases, but actual free will agents, then why would they hang around inside the
person at the sight of Jesus coming? Why would they hang around and wait to OBEY Jesus?Here are some things to keep track of regarding the use of demons/evil spirits/unclean spirits in the Gospels-
-the evil spirits never leave the bodies on their OWN accord, they are cast out by Yeshua’s commands.
-they FOLLOW Yeshua’s commands
-those who are possessed are said to be troubled or suffering from the evil spirit
-those who have the evil spirit cast out are said to be healed or cured
-the evil spirits who are possessing a person are not causing or influencing the person to consciously do bad things. Which this is what reflects my entire position, that there is nothing outside of mankind that can cause a man to sin, which is that of Yeshua’s position, who says and I quote him, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”
-those suffering from evil spirits are known to be mad, and often times they are blind, deaf, and mute.
Exodus 4:11 “So the Lord said to him,” Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I the Lord?”
Isaiah 45:6-7 “That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting that there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I the Lord do all these things.”
Deut 28:28 The Lord will strike you with madness and blindness and confusion of heart. 29 And you shall grope at noonday, as a blind man gropes in darkness;
Jeremiah 10:5 They are upright, like a palm tree, And they cannot speak; They must be carried, Because they cannot go by themselves. Do not be afraid of them, For they cannot do evil, Nor can they do any good.” 6 Inasmuch as there is none like You, O Lord (You are great, and Your name is great in might), 7 Who would not fear You, O King of the nations? For this is Your rightful due. For among all the wise men of the nations, And in all their kingdoms, There is none like You. 8 But they are altogether dull-hearted and foolish; A wooden idol is a worthless doctrine.
There is NONE like YHWH, there is no being that we have to fear that can do evil. Man is the only being that can create the evil of sin. YHWH is the ONLY being that can supernatural create evil in regards to infliction of sickness and disease.
Wooden idols represent false gods and their demons, they are foolish BECAUSE there is NO other being that exists that can create evil or good through supernatural means. When I say evil what I am meaning is of course not wickedness on God's part but rather the ability to cause dysfunction in systems, such as sickness or disease in the body.
LU your buddy from the video said that when a person gives their life to Jesus, Satan in turn assigns at least two demons to follow that person around 24/7 trying to get them off their path of God.
Would you like to back this claim up with scripture?
Do you really think that those who live in Christ have demon spirits following them around? Your buddy is completely WACKO!
He is a liar to scripture as well, he says that today's prophets known as psychics, are being given information by demon spirits.
What do the scriptures say about false prophets?
Jer 23:16 Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; They speak a vision of their own heart, Not from the mouth of the Lord.
Jer 23:17 They continually say to those who despise Me, 'The Lord has said, “You shall have peace” '; And to everyone who walks according to the dictates of his own heart, they say, 'No evil shall come upon you.' “
Jer 23:26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Indeed they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart,
Eze 13:2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy out of their own heart, 'Hear the word of the Lord!' “
Eze 13:17 “Likewise, son of man, set your face against the daughters of your people, who prophesy out of their own heart; prophesy against them,
1 Kings 8:37 “When there is famine in the land, pestilence or blight or mildew, locusts or grasshoppers; when their enemy besieges them in the land of their cities; whatever plague or whatever sickness there is; 38 whatever prayer, whatever supplication is made by anyone, or by all Your people Israel, when each one knows the plague of his own heart, and spreads out his hands toward this temple: 39 then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive, and act, and give to everyone according to all his ways, whose heart You know (for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men), 40 that they may fear You all the days that they live in the land which You gave to our fathers.
I find it truly amazing how given scripture about what God ALONE can do, that people still insist that other beings exist with God's same powers. YHWH our Savior is HE who alone exists with Powers.
What does it mean to be a god but to exist with supernatural powers? Like I've said before, when you give God's powers to another creature your producing a false god.
Psalms 86:8 Among the gods there is none like You, O Lord; Nor are there any works like Your works. 9 All nations whom You have made Shall come and worship before You, O Lord, And shall glorify Your name. 10 For You are great, and do wondrous things; You alone are God.
Isaiah 37:16 “O Lord of hosts, God of Israel, the One who dwells between the cherubim, You are God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth. 17 Incline Your ear, O Lord, and hear; open Your eyes, O Lord, and see; and hear all the words of Sennacherib, which he has sent to reproach the living God. 18 Truly, Lord, the kings of Assyria have laid waste all the nations and their lands, 19 and have cast their gods into the fire; for they were not gods, but the work of men's hands–wood and stone. Therefore they have destroyed them. 20 Now therefore, O Lord our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that You are the Lord, You alone.”
The Hebrew word for adversary being created into an image of a fallen angel is the image of a false god.
De 32:17 They sacrificed to demons, not to God, To gods they did not know, To new gods, new arrivals That your fathers did not fear.
2Ch 11:15 Then he appointed for himself priests for the high places, for the demons, and the calf idols which he had made.
Re 9:20 But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.
The Christian faith does not make wooden images of their Satan figure, and worship him with honor, but they do fear him for believing he has powers like a god. That is why people worshiped gods in the first place was because they believed those gods had special powers. This is why YHWH tells us not to fear them because there is NO other being that can do such things as He can.
The only true evil spirits or demons that can inflict people making them mad, blind and deaf come from the Powers of YHWH. Deuteronomy 28 tells us that God would allow punishments to one generation carry over to future generations. Jesus in the NT was healing people from their ancestral punishments.
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. 16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
Mt 16:23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”
Ge 8:21 And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
Neh 6:8 Then I sent to him, saying, “No such things as you say are being done, but you invent them in your own heart.”
Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”
Our adversary that influences us to sin is found within our carnal nature, it is never shown to be rebel spirits who are gods.
Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2009,09:26) Here is a long message given from a former high priest satanist who is now a born again believer. It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God!
It is my understanding that there are NOT very many true born again BELIEVERS. Most Christians believe Jesus is God therefore
they are BORN AGAIN in LIES, not truly in Christ.YHWH calls people to Him, that does not mean that every person claiming they're a Christian has been called, that is hardly true.
Most Christians IMO have called themselves into false Christianity.
The guy in the video is no different.
However LU said, “Don't you think that if you were once a satanist and a high priest in that as well and then came to know the true GOD and His Son and was born again…well don't you think that you would have some insights that the rest of us do not?”
The ONLY insights this guy has is how to fool ignorant and gullible people.
His examples of how demons work, making old drinking buddies run into there old friend who was just saved by Christ in order to try and tempt him, is seriously the BIGGEST LOAD OF CRAP. That guy is an idiot, I could of thought of something better then that.
So LU how are YOUR INTIMATE DEMONS TREATING YOU?
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 29 2009,11:00) Irene, and how are your intimate demons treating you today?
Hi JodiYou do realize the Bible says that satan is “the accuser of the brethren” don't you?
Just how can he be an accuser if he is not a sentient being? Satan can and does work through men. It is written!
WJ
Stephen Dollins said in the video regarding Christian struggles, “Lord I just don’t understand, I am having all these battles in my life, and I’m suppose to be a child of yours, but I just continually battling this and that, it’s because those spirits have been assigned to you,” he was referring to the two or more demons assigned to everyone right after they are 'born again'.
Then he says regarding Paul, “Look into the scripture where it says, Paul said, I was given a messenger a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to buffet me. What did Paul do before he was a Christian, he tormented and killed God’s people so that messenger was sent to him to tell him day in and day out around the clock, how can you serve god when you use to kill his people? That’s how that works.”
What does the scripture SD is referring to ACTUALLY say?
2 Corinthians 12:6 for if I may wish to boast, I shall not be a fool, for truth I will say; but I forebear, lest any one in regard to me may think anything above what he doth see me, or doth hear anything of me; 7 and that by the exceeding greatness of the revelations I might not be exalted overmuch, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of the Adversary, that he might buffet me, that I might not be exalted overmuch. 8 Concerning this thing thrice the Lord did I call upon, that it might depart from me, 9 and He said to me, `Sufficient for thee is My grace, for My power in infirmity is perfected;' most gladly, therefore, will I rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of the Christ may rest on me: 10 wherefore I am well pleased in infirmities, in damages, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses — for Christ; for whenever I am infirm, then I am powerful;
Does the above scripture say anything about spirits surrounding him reminding him every day that he use to persecute believers?
NO absolutely not. The thorn was said to be given so that people did not EXALT Paul. The adversarial messenger is shown to be sent by God and that it is God’s POWERS giving the infirmity.Stephen Dollins and his prophecy club, http://www.prophecyclub.com/join.htm are false teachers.
What does scripture say about those who walk in Christ,
Galatians 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! 16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one whd/o wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God–through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Ro 6:6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
Ro 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
Ro 8:10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Paul speaks nothing about demons being intimate with people going around trying to sabotage those who are believers in Christ.What about Ephesians though and Paul saying that we do not wrestle with flesh and blood but with spiritual hosts of wickedness in heavenly place?
Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Re 2:10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
The devil in these scriptures represent the person in the heavenly places or rather under HIGH authority, the King who desires to persecute Christians. The King and his men are the rulers of that dark age that Paul and the early Christians are in. These Christians if they walk in the Spirit have crucified their flesh with it’s passions and desires. Their future battle is then not with their flesh and blood but is with powers of that age that want to persecute them.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 30 2009,04:54) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 29 2009,11:00) Irene, and how are your intimate demons treating you today?
Hi JodiYou do realize the Bible says that satan is “the accuser of the brethren” don't you?
Just how can he be an accuser if he is not a sentient being? Satan can and does work through men. It is written!
WJ
Hi WJ,Peter was satan for having in mind the things of men, not because he was listening or following a rebel spirit.
When a man falsely ACCUSES a person they are a slanderer or a DEVIL.
We see the devil in the beginning of Revelation as a KING who is falsely persecuting Christians.
There is not an invisible being that goes around putting ideas in the heart of man to go around and falsely accuse other men. When a man follows after his own will and not that of God's he is being a devil or a satan. The will of man has existed from the beginning, and the will of man, God has allowed to be in a position of High authority and powers through out history, causing all sorts of atrocities.
Man is given natural desires and passions. There are two ways man can serve those passions and desires, one is according to the will of God with wisdom leading to righteous behavior, and the other is according to the will of man with an ignorant mind and thus a foolish imagination leading to sinful behavior.
LU, did you even bother checking the background of Stephen Dallins and who he associates himself with?
Check out this link,
http://apostasywatch.com/wolves3/stanjohnson.html
I believe the guy introducing Stephen Dallins in your video is the corrupt leader of the prophecy club discussed in the link I gave.
Hi all,
Do not be discouraged when encountering the evil one knowing that greater is He that is in you than He that is in the world.1 John 5:18-21
18 We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols.
NASULet those words strengthen you!
Have a great day,
KathiRegarding the phrase wicked one, which in the Greek was poneros-
http://www.biblestudytools.com/Lexicon….ion=kjv
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ponhrov�from a derivative of (4192)
Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
Poneros6:546,912
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
pon-ay-ros' Adjective
Definition1. full of labours, annoyances, hardships
1. pressed and harassed by labours
2. bringing toils, annoyances, perils; of a time full of peril to Christian faith and steadfastness; causing pain and trouble
2. bad, of a bad nature or condition
1. in a physical sense: diseased or blind
2. in an ethical sense: evil wicked, badThe word is used in the nominative case in Mt. 6:13. This usually denotes a title in the Greek. Hence Christ is saying, deliver us from “The Evil”, and is probably referring to Satan.
King James Word Usage – Total: 76
evil 51, wicked 10, wicked one 6, evil things 2, miscellaneous 7
============================================In other words the translators were PUSHING their doctrine into the text by adding the word ONE after wicked.
Let's see how the same word is translated,
1Jo 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
1Jo 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
1Jo 3:12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jo 5:19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
I looked up the word one in the Lexicon and it was NOT found in the above scriptures. The word one was not in the original text, therefore as I mentioned before we can see it was added by the translators to push their doctrine.
Here are some more examples of how the word poneros was translated,
Mt 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil
Mt 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
Mt 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mt 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Mt 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mt 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mt 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: : For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mt 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Mt 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mt 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Mt 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. 16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
Mt 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil
the evil that we need to be delivered from comes out of our own minds.
LU, you and your buddy SD are teaching lies. When God calls people into the truth of Jesus Christ they are not assigned demons to watch over them around the clock to try and tempt them. We are DRAWN AWAY and ENTICED by our own desires.
Yes we should guard ourselves from IDOLS, from false images such as our adversary being an invisible rebel spirit. We need to guard ourselves from WORTHLESS doctrines that blind people from the truth and keep them from realizing the true cause to their sins, so that they can properly grow, working to change their bad behavior.
We should guard ourselves and not follow in the false doctrine that gives YHWH's Powers over to creatures and then tells us we should fear those creatures.
Hi Jodi,
You should not let your incomplete grasp of truth give you any idea that you are ready to teach.So I just checked my private message that I was sent earlier today and I was given a warning because someone has found a post or more of mine to be offensive.
The link given to lead me to the allegedly offensive post sent me to the beginning of the thread and not to the post itself.
If the moderator or the person so offended by one of my posts could specifically tell me which one was so offensive I think that would help.
Thanks, Jodi
Hi Jodi ,
That was a private warning with no tiles but since you have brought it into the public arena you have offended two people today and others recently have also complained.
While you did not call anyone a liar you did say they were teaching lies.
.Thanks for clarifying that for me Nick,
Honestly I feel like I'm in junior high and have been sent to the principals office.
You Nick have accused me of not believing in the words of Jesus, amongst other things. Miraculously even after I just quoted him. Did I feel like I should run to the moderator with that? Oh, oops you are the moderator. I find your accusations that you've made against me way more offensive then what I have said to Irene and Kathi, and did I go run to t8? Sorry Nick, I am not trying to bring you into this, I know you are just doing your job, I'm just trying to make a point.
This is all absurd.
I REALLY don't like secrets, if someone has such a problem I would appreciate it if they could come forth with me personally. Did you HEAR that Irene and Kathi? We are ADULTS here are we not? We are NOT in junior high school!!
Maybe they think I have an unchristian like attitude, that is fine, they have a right to their opinion, or maybe, the true problem is something else, like they cannot support themselves with scripture so they result to shenanigans!
I asked Kathi to defend the idea that two or more demons are assigned to people once they have accepted Christ as their savior, WITH scripture. I then posted scripture showing how IMO her belief is a lie, which therefore IMO means that Kathi is spreading lies. I thought that was part of this forum to stand up for ones belief with support of scripture and call out those you think are false.
I guess the real question is Nick, what specifically are the rules to this forum? Am I just being notified that there has been a cowardly complaint against me, or am I over stepping boundaries that could get me kicked off the forum?
Trust me I will indeed submit to the rules of this forum, the last thing I would want is to be kicked off and not had my opinion heard.
Thanks Nick, Jodi
So I just checked the RULES.
It says NO ABUSING others.
So what does that mean exactly? Maybe the rule should be made more clear.
Thanks, Jodi
Hi Jodi,
Folk quote scripture all day long in support of their doctrines.
Even Muslims quote scripture against Christ and Paul
It should be that scripture teaches us.
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