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Thanks David for your comment. Do you think that all that fuss about legalizing same sex marriage is about government benefits and rights to adoption for the most part?LU
Australia is the home of invertor-fertilisation, lesbian cpls get pregnant by this method to have kids with any father presence.
Australia’s social security system is far different to any other. So what you asked, gay cpls get that anyway if proven to be lover/an item. Cpl, and so on. In other countries I think one of the reasons to try to legalise it is for the benefits of being ‘married’ in most 1st world nations the benfits strongly out weight the negatives.
Hello lightenup
Thanks AndrewAD. I’m just trying to put my self in their place and think through what the government should be legalizing. I know what I think the church should allow and that is that marriage is between one man and one woman and a life long lasting covenant before YHWH. I would never vote to allow two people of the same sex to be married as a life long lasting covenant before YHWH because then, what if they become a Christian and then realize they were wrong to make such a covenant. Then they have to decide whether or not to divorce which God hates also.
As far as the world is concerned it serves Money so being a civil issue anyone should be married if it brings in the cash
as far as God is concerned it is an abomination
Democratic Civil issues are based on the demographics of the people they have nothing to do with morality and everything about Majority rule so laws are based upon approval of the populous and not God. The main question is why are you considering an abomination as acceptable because people you know consider it acceptable?
Hi Bo,
you said:The main question is why are you considering an abomination as acceptable because people you know consider it acceptable?
Well, I don’t consider it acceptable, why do you think I do? I believe that when a nation claims to be ‘under God,’ the God of the Bible, the definitions of things like marriage should be in line with the definitions of marriage in the Bible. Otherwise, it renders the ‘one nation under God’ as meaningless.
Hi LU,
Should the government, made up of worldly men, deliberately align laws with the laws of God?
God works through governments despite their lack of knowledge of Him and His ways.
The other side:
Why did God make it so that every animal ever studied have had populations of homosexuals? Giraffes, the male ones, are exceedingly homosexual, for example. In the mammal population, let’s say it averages to around 10%. (But of course male giraffes are off the chart). And insects, and reptiles and basically, every organism that has been studied has shown percentages of homosexuals living among them. This seems to be a part of nature. And I believe that it is therefore argued that because it’s part of nature, it is natural.But my question more so has to do with why God would choose to make a percentage of animals homosexuals. He didn’t have to do that. If he is disgusted by this, why purposefully do this? With man you can argue that it is sin, and they hav decided to do this. But with insects for example, they are acting on their God given instinct. So if God is disgusted by this, why put it into all animals?
If I was going to move a case against condemning homosexuality, it would be what I ask above.
Just 30 or 40 years ago, there were protests against interracial marriage. People had their picket signs and protested this. It was viewed as taboo. An abomination.
Regardless of what is moral, this will go the same way. In 30 years, people will look back and mostly think this was silly and unjust.
In Europe, they just don’t care. The U.S. Is very much behind on this one as far as the world trend goes.Of course the bible condemns homosexuality. But people will find a way to spiritualize or symbolize or make figurative those scriptures. They will introduce other scriptures focusing on gods love. As the idea that interracial marriage or same sex marriage are repugnant goes away, people will find ways to trick their own brains, as we always do. It was once comman and legal and acceptable everywhere to beauty our child with a stick. The bible says to beat your son with a rod. When this became repugnant many Christians began to say these were figurative and it is speaking of a figurative rod. The mind finds ways to make everything fit with our modern morality. It will for this as well.
david, from the theological perspective i was involved with it’s very simple to explain;God didn’t create homosexuality or sin.This all came about from the fall of man or original sin which corrupted all of nature.So we can blame Adam,Eve,the devil or ourselves.
But that’s the fall of MAN and original sin of man. How or why would this be passed along to animals? God didn’t have to make or allow that, especially if he is disgusted by it. If we say it’s satan perverting animals, I’m not sure why he would be amused by having two male Beatles having sex. and I’m not sure why God would even allow that if he didn’t have to. With man it makes sense so that things can be proven. But why animals.
If the fall of man brought the expulsion from the perfection of his garden,then we were thrust into this imperfect world corrupted by darkness and demons.
It gives God a reason to be angry and full of vengeance.
The point in regarding homosexuality as unlawful has nothing to do with the desire to be homosexual as some people also have other tendencies that they were born with such as aggression or theft or other inborn traits the idea is to master ones self to achieve disciple and learning how to use those tendencies in a creative or more productive fashion, for instance the bible also forbids sex with animals so obviously mankind is also tempted to have sex with animals but need to also control that urge. These are not mistakes because attraction has a purpose most people we become friends with or do business deals with we are attracted to just like sometimes we develop a dislike for certain things or animals.
When regarding homosexuality it should be seen the same as Adultery or any other sexual sin, it is not the sex itself it is the who or what with a question that animals do not participate in because it is the sex itself. The urges we feel are necessary but we must have mastership over them and direct them properly.
Racial issues are completely different as these issues are manufactured because there are no such thing as races there is only the human race and men divided up humans and try to reclassify them for their own advantage this is a completely far cry from sexuality where there inherent differences for far too long homosexuals have been using the racial model as a way to bypass morality. but Black does not equal immoral and homosexuality does
<h2>The following is a list of things the Bible considers an abomination:</h2>
- Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)
- Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)
- Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)
- Sins of men (Ps. 14:1; 53:1)
- Cheating (Mic. 6:10)
- Lost souls (Rev. 21:8)
- A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
- A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)
- A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
- Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)
- A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
- Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)
- A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
- A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
- Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
- A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
- Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
- The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
- The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
- The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
- Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
- Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
- Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
- Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
- Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
- Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
- Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)
- Some same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18)
- Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)
- Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)
- Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)
- Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)
- Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5)
- Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God’s house (Dt. 23:18)
- Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
- Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)
- Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)
- Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)
- Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)
- Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)
- Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
- Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
- Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35)
- Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
- Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
- Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
- Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
- Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
- Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
- Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
- Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
- Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
- Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
- Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)
- Incest (Lev. 19: 6-30)
- Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)
- Many other sins of the nations (Lev. 18: 26-29; Dt. 18: 9-12; 20:18; 29:17; 1 Ki. 14:24; 21:2, 11; 23:24; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:2; 34:33; 36:14; Ezek. 7: 3-20; 8: 6-17; 16: 2-58; 20: 4-30; Rev. 17: 4-5)
we are all so abomination free hum, that we can point out others without first purging our own. Huh LU?
How did mans fall or original sin corrupt all of nature so that animals, a similar percentage of them as humans, became homosexuals?
What is the point of this?
David,the fall of man brought God’s curse to all of nature,even upon the ground and animals.And Paul in Rom 1 informs us that humans were given over to homosexuality for not worshiping God properly.They worshiped corrupted creatures instead of the Blessed Creator.
But what do you mean by the point of it? Perhaps I answered that in my response above-so God can always be mad.
Could it be that Paul declares this behavior “against nature”since the majority don’t behave this way?
Hi Andrew,
By asking what is the point of it, I’m asking why God allowed this. Many say that God is disgusted by this unnatural perversion. Yet at the same time, it seems he allowed animals, who don’t act on free will, but who act on God given instinct, to have the instinct to have sex with the same gender. What would the point of that be?
The point of allowing man to do as he wants, there are reasons for this. But who benefits or what is the point of making animals have an instinct to be homosexuals? In one 3 year study, 90% of male couplings involves 2 males. This study was far from perfect, but it did show that male giraffes are extremely homosexual.
I don’t know. Saying its against nature seems different than saying its against the majority. Today at least when people say against nature they usually mean it’s unnatural, meaning, not the way it’s normally done. But it also sometimes refers to nature itself. And nature, has the same amount of homosexuals as humans do.
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