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Hi All,
I believe its Chosenone, Gene, and others that i cant remember make this Claim, that God does not want to see anyone perish therefore the End result is that everyone will be saved.I would like for them to prove that with Scripture and why they believe that everyone will be saved.
They also claim that those who are not ready will go through a purging process (second death) but not eteranl that will lead them back to God.I would very much llike to see there FULL explantions of this theory.
My last question basically is, that if everyone is saved why do we have to repent? Why do we have to preach the gospel and spread the good news?
Why do we have to even speak about God if the end result is that everyone will be saved?
Its this is true is there any reason why should continue discussing anything about God?If there is no everlasting Torment, than there is nothing to be saved from.
Salvation again would be saving from what???We understand what salavation is, but from what are we being saved from if there is nothing to be saved from?
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Cr 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
Gal 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 04 2010,16:45) thank you david for the scriptures I needed that,
but any explanation that you would like to share?
SFall the scriptures DBF quoted are only tell you one side of the story,here is the other side;;
Lev 18:4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God.
Lev 25:18 “ ‘Follow my decrees and be careful to obey my laws, and you will live safely in the land.
Lev 26:3 “ ‘If you follow my decrees and are careful to obey my commands1Pe 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
1Jn 2:3 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.
1Jn 3:22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him.
1Jn 3:24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.Rev 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
Dt 5:27 Go near and listen to all that the LORD our God says. Then tell us whatever the LORD our God tells you. We will listen and obey.”
2Ki 17:13 The LORD warned Israel and Judah through all his prophets and seers: “Turn from your evil ways. Observe my commands and decrees, in accordance with the entire Law that I commanded your fathers to obey and that I delivered to you through my servants the prophets.”
Jer 22:5 But if you do not obey these commands, declares the LORD, I swear by myself that this palace will become a ruin
Da 9:4 I prayed to the LORD my God and confessed:
“O Lord, the great and awesome God, who keeps his covenant of love with all who love him and obey his commandsMt 19:17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”
Mt 23:3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
Mt 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the ageJn 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.
Lk 11:28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
Jn 14:24 He who does not love me will not obey my teachingJn 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
Ac 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him;;;;
NOW SOME ON THIS SITE AND MANY IN THE WORLD ARE LIKE THIS ;;;Ac 15:5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses.”
THEY LIKE TO CREATE LOADS FOR PEOPLE TO CARRY.
BUT THEY HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING IN TRUTH.Pierre
Terra,
You are a wise man, brother.
SF, the 'everlasting torment' is a little out of context.
The correct reading is 'Their torment will be forever'.
Note the subtle difference, if you will.
Being 'cut off' from God is 'Torment' to a Spirit. So, being cut off eternally from God is 'Eternal Torment'.
Remember that, for man, death in the flesh is one thing. Being cut off from 'life' under the sun…but…that is not the end because their spirit is still with God.
Angels are permanently in the heavens, the spirit realm, at least, for there are many 'heavens', seven, i think. So, the flesh of sinful man is done away with but this is not a great loss.
The spirit now, the body can be recreated and the Spirit put back into it ..but if the spirit is destroyed then there is nothing left, no inkling, no remembrance of that one, nothing.So 'the smoke f them rises up for ever'. This means, that which composes the spirit, will be defused into nothing, energy, uncoagluated energy with no intelligence…this then, is the leternal punishment: To be cut off from God forever, to have the very spirit of that one scattered to the four winds with no rememberance of that one. The 'torment' initially is the knowledge that this is their fate – and then it will happen.
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 04 2010,22:04) Terra, You are a wise man, brother.
SF, the 'everlasting torment' is a little out of context.
The correct reading is 'Their torment will be forever'.
Note the subtle difference, if you will.
Being 'cut off' from God is 'Torment' to a Spirit. So, being cut off eternally from God is 'Eternal Torment'.
Remember that, for man, death in the flesh is one thing. Being cut off from 'life' under the sun…but…that is not the end because their spirit is still with God.
Angels are permanently in the heavens, the spirit realm, at least, for there are many 'heavens', seven, i think. So, the flesh of sinful man is done away with but this is not a great loss.
The spirit now, the body can be recreated and the Spirit put back into it ..but if the spirit is destroyed then there is nothing left, no inkling, no remembrance of that one, nothing.So 'the smoke f them rises up for ever'. This means, that which composes the spirit, will be defused into nothing, energy, uncoagluated energy with no intelligence…this then, is the leternal punishment: To be cut off from God forever, to have the very spirit of that one scattered to the four winds with no rememberance of that one. The 'torment' initially is the knowledge that this is their fate – and then it will happen.
hi JARo 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
Gal 6:8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
Ro 6:21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death
Rev 14:15 Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.”
Lk 19:22 “His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you
Eph 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient
1Jn 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
Mk 13:6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.
Mk 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible.Jer 29:8 Yes, this is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: “Do not let the prophets and diviners among you deceive you. Do not listen to the dreams you encourage them to have
Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
we are placed in a choice environment the world or God and the promise. i have take the promise, about you JA?
Pierre
Hi SimplyForgiven.
Thank you for the opportunity to explain why we believe in “the salvation of all”. You sayQuote I would very much llike to see there FULL explantions of this theory.
I would have to say why I believe this, is because “the scriptures say so”. It would take many, many scriptures to explain this, so I will quote some of them…1Tim.9-10 …9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.1Tim.2:3-4 …3 for this is ideal and welcome in the sight of our Saviour, God,
4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.Ro.8:21 …that the creation itself, also, shall be freed from the slavery of corruption into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Phil.2:13 … for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight.
There are more, but it is late here, and I'm getting very tired, so will exit for now.
If you want a really in depth explanation on this topic, I suggest that you look at the website “concordant.org” , this is where God led me after I gave up my search for Him in many different denominations of so-called “churches”. He (God) opened my eyes to His “truth” that the “church” is the 'body of Christ”, those of His choosing”, not a denomination of believers or a building.
An exerpt from this site:
THE DOINGS OF GOD
Our salvation is not out of ourselves. We do not possess it because we have done this or that in order to acquire it. Consequently, boasting is debarred (Rom.3:27). This is because we are God’s achievement. “For His achievement are we” (Eph.2: 10a). We are saved because we are God’s achievement. It is just that simple and this is fully the truth.
The word “achievement,” is poiˆma (DO-effect). We are the product of God’s doings. It is only unbelief that will seek to modify this or to explain it away. This unbelief is due to the deceptive influences of the worldly philosophy known as free will. We do not care for the fact that we ourselves, who effect much evil and some good, are the product of God’s own doings.
God, however, is able to operate in us, to will and to work for the sake of His delight (Phil.2:13), so that we think of these matters continually, and in a profitable and uplifting way. As those who are God’s achievement, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, ones which God Himself prepared beforehand, there is no possibility but that we should be walking in them. Indeed, since the subjunctive, “should,” in this case, points us only to God, the good works to which it refers are just as certain to be accomplished as would be the case had the indicative “shall” been used instead.
May God grant us a foretaste of the superabundant and transcendent good works of the future in a measure of good works even now, even if the best of these should be totally eclipsed when compared to our labors to come, during the oncoming eons, when we are conformed to the image of God’s Son and seated together among the celestials (Rom.8:29; Eph.2:6).
“Lest anyone should be boasting”—lest we ourselves should artfully contrive some way to look to and lean upon the flesh—we would glory only in God and in His Christ. We are saved in grace through faith, faith being an assumption, based upon God’s own word, concerning what is already true prior to and apart from our conviction in it. “For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them” (Eph.2:10).James Coram
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15570 Knochaven Road, Santa Clarita, CA 91387, U.S.A. 661-252-2112God Bless, Jerry.
Chosenone,
I again am ready to hear your side, but you have presented me with much,
Present the logic, and also answer this questionQuote My last question basically is, that if everyone is saved why do we have to repent? Why do we have to preach the gospel and spread the good news? Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 04 2010,09:04) Terra, You are a wise man, brother.
SF, the 'everlasting torment' is a little out of context.
The correct reading is 'Their torment will be forever'.
Note the subtle difference, if you will.
Being 'cut off' from God is 'Torment' to a Spirit. So, being cut off eternally from God is 'Eternal Torment'.
Remember that, for man, death in the flesh is one thing. Being cut off from 'life' under the sun…but…that is not the end because their spirit is still with God.
Angels are permanently in the heavens, the spirit realm, at least, for there are many 'heavens', seven, i think. So, the flesh of sinful man is done away with but this is not a great loss.
The spirit now, the body can be recreated and the Spirit put back into it ..but if the spirit is destroyed then there is nothing left, no inkling, no remembrance of that one, nothing.So 'the smoke f them rises up for ever'. This means, that which composes the spirit, will be defused into nothing, energy, uncoagluated energy with no intelligence…this then, is the leternal punishment: To be cut off from God forever, to have the very spirit of that one scattered to the four winds with no rememberance of that one. The 'torment' initially is the knowledge that this is their fate – and then it will happen.
JA,
thank you for knowing what i meant,
just a misunderstanding,
thank you for the correction,
Thats what i meant obviously and not “olam”Terrarica,
But by following “THEIR” logic, than it would not be pharasis putting on a load on anyone,
According to them the “LOAD” doesnt exist anymore, the Load was taken away by Christ.So thats what im trying to get them to prove, or at least hear more of what they believe
We are saved through the Gospel, which is not by our work.
People believe they are saved becuase someone PREACHED.
no, no, no, people are saved becasue they heard the GOSPEL,
the GOSPEL that was not just a story, but actually happend, where at a point of time
the GOSPEL was living among us and died for our Sin, and than by that means of death and resurrection
that the GOSPEL that Men preach MAY SAVE, not by man but by God doing!Your exerpt CO goes around this, and does not answer the thread.
Lets stick to the thread brother, for the expert doesnt answer anything.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 03 2010,19:02) Hi All,
I believe its Chosenone, Gene, and others that i cant remember make this Claim, that God does not want to see anyone perish therefore the End result is that everyone will be saved.I would like for them to prove that with Scripture and why they believe that everyone will be saved.
They also claim that those who are not ready will go through a purging process (second death) but not eteranl that will lead them back to God.I would very much llike to see there FULL explantions of this theory.
My last question basically is, that if everyone is saved why do we have to repent? Why do we have to preach the gospel and spread the good news?
Why do we have to even speak about God if the end result is that everyone will be saved?
Its this is true is there any reason why should continue discussing anything about God?If there is no everlasting Torment, than there is nothing to be saved from.
Salvation again would be saving from what???We understand what salavation is, but from what are we being saved from if there is nothing to be saved from?
There are those that either, ignore truth, or don't believe it, why? I don't know.
The Bible is quite clear on that subject, true God does not want that any one would perish.Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
BUT
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
I think, it's quite evident that there will be a great number of people who will die, even after the millennium.
Rev 20:7 ¶ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
The “lake of fire” is the second death, fire does not preserve, it destroys.
Mal 4:1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Georg
SF,
Like Shimmer has accepted and come to learn, and Mike was firstborn offered but then refused…, I extend my offer for you to PM JustAskin for anything you want to know. Choose your own level of agreement and acceptance of such, but none the less it may reduce your 'little errors' so you don't need to apologise so often.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 05 2010,00:31) Terrarica,
But by following “THEIR” logic, than it would not be pharasis putting on a load on anyone,
According to them the “LOAD” doesnt exist anymore, the Load was taken away by Christ.So thats what im trying to get them to prove, or at least hear more of what they believe
SFbe carefull ,this doing needs a mature spirit in the knowledge of the word of God and a trong faith in God and his word.
this does not mean that you are not mature in any way ,i just mention this.
Ro 10:1 Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved.
Ro 10:2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge.
Ro 10:3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.
Ro 10:4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Ro 10:5 Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: “The man who does these things will live by them.”
Ro 10:6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’’” (that is, to bring Christ down)
Ro 10:7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
Ro 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:
Ro 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Ro 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Ro 10:11 As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shamePierre
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 04 2010,17:27) Chosenone,
I again am ready to hear your side, but you have presented me with much,
Present the logic, and also answer this questionQuote My last question basically is, that if everyone is saved why do we have to repent? Why do we have to preach the gospel and spread the good news?
Hi SF.
You askQuote that if everyone is saved why do we have to repent?
The answer is, we don't have to repent! This message was given to Israel by Jesus, this is because they had to recognise that they were sinners, ask for forgiveness, and go through the rituals of cleansing by the chief priest in the temple on the 'day of atonement' for the cleansing of sins. The 'nations' (gentiles) had no part with God in that era: (Eph.2:11-12 …11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh — who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands —
12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.)
After Jesus sacrifice, resurrection, and ascention, God turned to the “nations”, (Acts 13:46 …
46 Being bold, both Paul and Barnabas, say, “To you first (Israel) was it necessary that the word of God be spoken. Yet, since, in fact, you are thrusting it away, and are judging yourselves not worthy of eonian life, lo! we are turning to the nations.)
Now we have been “conciliated to God” by His (Jesus) sacrifice, He (God) sees our sins no more: …(2Cor.5:1819…18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.)
This is why we don't have to repent, to do so would be likened to not acknowledging His (Jesus) sacrifice, what an insult to God, ignoring His Sons deed, the pain and suffering He went through to pay for our sins, and we still thinking we must do something more, that that wasn't enough?You also say…
Quote Why do we have to preach the gospel and spread the good news?
I'm not sure, are you quoting from Matt.28:19-20? If so I will answer about this quote.
You will notice that His deciples never did go to the “nations”to fulfill this scripture. This commission cannot be carried out until His (Christ Jesus) return in power and glory to bless all nations through His people Israel.I hope you will find these explanations informative, I'm also sure there will be criticism of this view, but this is what I believe scripture is saying.
God Bless, Jerry.
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 04 2010,16:08) SF, Like Shimmer has accepted and come to learn, and Mike was firstborn offered but then refused…, I extend my offer for you to PM JustAskin for anything you want to know. Choose your own level of agreement and acceptance of such, but none the less it may reduce your 'little errors' so you don't need to apologise so often.
sureQuote (chosenone @ Sep. 06 2010,01:05) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 04 2010,17:27) Chosenone,
I again am ready to hear your side, but you have presented me with much,
Present the logic, and also answer this questionQuote My last question basically is, that if everyone is saved why do we have to repent? Why do we have to preach the gospel and spread the good news?
Hi SF.
You askQuote that if everyone is saved why do we have to repent?
The answer is, we don't have to repent! This message was given to Israel by Jesus, this is because they had to recognise that they were sinners, ask for forgiveness, and go through the rituals of cleansing by the chief priest in the temple on the 'day of atonement' for the cleansing of sins. The 'nations' (gentiles) had no part with God in that era: (Eph.2:11-12 …11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh — who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands —
12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.)
After Jesus sacrifice, resurrection, and ascention, God turned to the “nations”, (Acts 13:46 …
46 Being bold, both Paul and Barnabas, say, “To you first (Israel) was it necessary that the word of God be spoken. Yet, since, in fact, you are thrusting it away, and are judging yourselves not worthy of eonian life, lo! we are turning to the nations.)
Now we have been “conciliated to God” by His (Jesus) sacrifice, He (God) sees our sins no more: …(2Cor.5:1819…18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.)
This is why we don't have to repent, to do so would be likened to not acknowledging His (Jesus) sacrifice, what an insult to God, ignoring His Sons deed, the pain and suffering He went through to pay for our sins, and we still thinking we must do something more, that that wasn't enough?You also say…
Quote Why do we have to preach the gospel and spread the good news?
I'm not sure, are you quoting from Matt.28:19-20? If so I will answer about this quote.
You will notice that His deciples never did go to the “nations”to fulfill this scripture. This commission cannot be carried out until His (Christ Jesus) return in power and glory to bless all nations through His people Israel.I hope you will find these explanations informative, I'm also sure there will be criticism of this view, but this is what I believe scripture is saying.
God Bless, Jerry.
Chosenone,
Do you ever consider that you may be wrong as i do?
Did you know personally i question everything i believe and everything i learn. Becuase im willing to be wrong becasue i am imperfect, but i know of whom is perfect and who can confirm all things to me, and in HIM i rely and in HIM my trust.My point, dont get stuck.
Quote The answer is, we don't have to repent!
This is where its already untruth. Paul the apostle talked so much about how we all are sinners and how WE ALL NEEDED A REDEEMER! ALL OF US, this is the consumation that you mention. The point of Israel was to be a HOLY NATION a PROPHET TO THE WORLD. to LEAD THE WORLD! they didnt do their jobs right. Even God saved many Gentiles within the oldtestament.
God always cared about the Gentiles.
Thats what was the Purpose for paul.
Gods eyes were always on the nation and on everyone.Quote This is why we don't have to repent, to do so would be likened to not acknowledging His (Jesus) sacrifice, what an insult to God, ignoring His Sons deed, the pain and suffering He went through to pay for our sins, and we still thinking we must do something more, that that wasn't enough?
Jesus asked people to stop sinning, to sin NO more. this is repenting, and we do that through him. I understand what you think, but it doesnt click, it doesnt make sense. It counters everything that Jesus Taught and what the Apostles taught.Quote I'm not sure, are you quoting from Matt.28:19-20? If so I will answer about this quote.
You will notice that His deciples never did go to the “nations”to fulfill this scripture. This commission cannot be carried out until His (Christ Jesus) return in power and glory to bless all nations through His people Israel.
Your assuming. Actually they did brother, they did, and Paul the Apostle was the leader who went really into the Gentiles. Where do you get this beliefs from when its contradicts the bible. The bible clearly states they went into other nations! brother this is a very strange doctrine you believe in. I have heard of another who believes as you do, but even he has not mention such strange things, my friend actually presents logical arguements and sound reasoning with presenting the same doctrine, but you believe the same thing but present a strange explantion.my actual question is what is the POINT TO PREACH OR TELL ANYONE ABOUT GOD, EVEN YOUR FAMILY, IF YOU ARE ALREADY SAVED. why sit here and waste your time reading and responding when you are already saved?
That means i can sin all i want and still be saved?
You mean right now i can go outside and act as if i never knew God, and i can still be saved?SAVED FROM WHAT?
?? WHAT am i being saved FROM?Quote I hope you will find these explanations informative, I'm also sure there will be
criticism of this view, but this is what I believe scripture is saying.
You should take into consideration of all the things people have to say, because i do the same and it helps.But in the end, does it really matter what “WE” think, isnt more important what God thinks?
I find the explanations vague.
Dennison,
Hopefully, you won't believe what Jerry was saying.
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Mat 11:20 Then He began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles were done, because they did not repent.
Luk 13:3 “I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Act 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 3:19 “Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 17:30 “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,
Act 26:20 but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.
Note: Gentiles ARE other nations….
Rev 3:19 'Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
Mar 16:16 “He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Act 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Another scripture you two won't believe, but here it is anyway…
1Cor.15:22-28…
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.I did say that most would disagree with me. But even so… truth isn't so because of a majority of opinion.
God Bless, Jerry.
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