Salvation by faith alone

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
Unto who?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Faith is expressed in obedience.

Romans 6:17
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Romans 6:17
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Galatians 3:1
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Galatians 5:7
Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

2 Thessalonians 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 Thessalonians 3:14
And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

[chosenone]

NH.
Ro.3:22 …”the faith if Jesus Christ.

Blessings.

[NickHassan]

CO,
Rom3

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

All do not believe

[chosenone]

NH.
But all WILL believe at the “consummation”. 1.Cor.15:23-28 …23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2009,14:58)

CO, Rom3 21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: All do not believe

Nick,
Your point being…?

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
All do not believe so any thought that this verse suggests that all are saved is nonsense.

Obedient faith is essential

Acts 15:9
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ
Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

[KangarooJack]

chosenone said”

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But all WILL believe at the “consummation”.   1.Cor.15:23-28   …23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; 24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. 25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy is being abolished: death. 27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. 28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)

CO,
The passage you cited does NOT say that all will believe at the consummation. What specifically in the passage makes you think that? Also, the consummation of the age came in AD70 so all should believe right now which we know they don't.

thinker

[meerkat]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 27 2009,21:27)

chosenone said” Quote But all WILL believe at the “consummation”. 1.Cor.15:23-28 …23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; 24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. 25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy is being abolished: death. 27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. 28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.) CO, The passage you cited does NOT say that all will believe at the consummation. What specifically in the passage makes you think that? Also, the consummation of the age came in AD70 so all should believe right now which we know they don't. thinker

The thinker

It does say that all enemies are under Jesus feet and that all is subject to Christ and Christ is subject to the Father – the same word is used for the subjection of all under Jesus feet (enemies included) as is used for Jesus being subject to God.

G5293
ὑποτάσσω
hupotassō
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: – be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.

[meerkat]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 27 2009,21:27)

chosenone said” Quote But all WILL believe at the “consummation”. 1.Cor.15:23-28 …23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; 24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. 25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy is being abolished: death. 27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. 28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.) CO, The passage you cited does NOT say that all will believe at the consummation. What specifically in the passage makes you think that? Also, the consummation of the age came in AD70 so all should believe right now which we know they don't. thinker

Thinker,

The passage talks about 1st Christs that are his at his coming, then the end where all is subdued – 70AD was only the start.

I believe that the consummation of the Jewish age was 70AD – there will also be a consummation of this present age (the times of the gentiles) – where the nations are judged – 70AD was specifically Jewish judgment.

[martian]

Perhaps instead of throwing back and forth words like “faith” and “believe” someone should actually define what the writers of scripture really meant by thee words. What does faith and believe mean for a man like Paul?

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Salvation by faith alone has always been a popular theory.
But faith expressed in obedience is what God wants.

We follow Jesus
Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Romans 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

[martian]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2009,08:56)

Hi, Salvation by faith alone has always been a popular theory. But faith expressed in obedience is what God wants. We follow Jesus Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

True -As I posted on the other thread. We take action to support God's will in our lives and the lives of others.

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