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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2008,15:03) Hi GB,
Then does God say no goats will find the fire?
Nick.
What a silly question, can you not engage in a topic, that when you are stumped, at least give a civil answer?Blessings.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2008,15:17) Hi,
There is no salvation by faith alone.
God allows all choices and they live or die by them.
Nick I have a question for you. Remember the Thief on the cross with Jesus? He did not get Baptized before He died. And what did Jesus say? ” Today, you will be with me in Paradise.”
Why? Because of his faith only.
You have to agree that in some cases faith alone is enough. But I also think that we should follow the example of the Apostles and be Baptized in order to receive the Holy Spirit and understand the things of God.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2008,15:03) Hi GB,
Then does God say no goats will find the fire?
Hi CO,
Are you unfamiliar with Mt 25?
Same eternal gospel for ALL.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2008,16:03) Hi Irene,
I will bring up the thread
Thanks for bringing up the thread – but what do you think about Irene's question to you?Nick, there are far more verses in the bible that speak of salvation through faith than there are through any other method. What of those who live in the dessert? How would they be baptized? What of those who barely have enough water for drinking let alone dunking in? Would these folks have to wait until they could get water baptized before they were officially granted salvation?
Water baptism could be seen as washing the outer cup – what did Jesus say about that?
But faith is a gift so that we cannot add anything to it for boasting!
It is therefore enough.Actions DO follow because love compels us, but it is not required for salvation, only for rewards or judgment, imo.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2008,16:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2008,15:03) Hi GB,
Then does God say no goats will find the fire?
Hi CO,
Are you unfamiliar with Mt 25?
Same eternal gospel for ALL.
Nick.
Where in Matt.25 does it say Jesus' message is to the gentiles???
You must be unfamilier with that chapter.Quote (Not3in1 @ June 30 2008,18:01) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2008,16:03) Hi Irene,
I will bring up the thread
Thanks for bringing up the thread – but what do you think about Irene's question to you?Nick, there are far more verses in the bible that speak of salvation through faith than there are through any other method. What of those who live in the dessert? How would they be baptized? What of those who barely have enough water for drinking let alone dunking in? Would these folks have to wait until they could get water baptized before they were officially granted salvation?
Water baptism could be seen as washing the outer cup – what did Jesus say about that?
Hi Mandy,
These are some excellent points to be considered by Nick.
He should not link water Baptism with Salvation when we are talking about 'faith'.
Thanks
AdamBaptism is a spiritual process, the water is symbolic, such symbols help the earthly mind, especially the unconscious, deal with the higher realities but are not in themselves necessary.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2008,22:26) Hi,
Faith is the lifeline to the grace of obedience.
Just jumbling of words no theme.Hi GM,
Theme?God saves through obedience in faith.
Man cannot save himself despite his many plans.Matthew 16:25
“For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 30 2008,14:45) Nick…this is not the only day of salvation, doesn't it say every man in his order.There is only a few elected at this time for the first resurrection who are called to be heirs and joint heirs with Christ. For the 1000 yr, reign of Christ.
GBWell than Jesus and the Apostles had it wrong.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. Jn 12:32
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. Matt 28:19:20
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Acts 17:30
God has purposed that all will be saved, and the message to every man everywhere is to repent and escape from the wrath to come. WJ
Quite so WJ,
The 1000 year reign involves only the sons of God and the remnant people from the nations who survive the great tribulation. Those nations are ruled by God through His Son and through the brothers. No bible teaching exists that all the nations will be saved. No scripture says all will be resurrected and saved during this time-would there be room on earth?The rest are not resurrected till the 1000 years are complete. Then the rebellion of the nations led by Satan who has been released. Then the final cleansing of mankind, the second resurrection, judgement and the restoration is completed.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2008,15:17) Hi,
There is no salvation by faith alone.
God allows all choices and they live or die by them.
I agree…If your faith does not move you to act and do for GOD…then you need to re-examine your faithHi,
Wesley seemed to teach this error.
http://www.nathan.co.za/wesley/salvation.asp – 33k
http://www.shol.com/featheredprop/theo4.html – 15k
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