Revelation X111 by Ephraim

[michael777]

To anyone searching for a logical answer to Bible Prophecy, this letter is for You.

I would like to make a couple things very clear before I begin. These are interpretations from a Christian perspective. They are not intended in any way to be antisemitic. Furthermore, I believe the Jewish people have every right to live within secure boundaries and be independent.

In general, this is a letter that summarizes all of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the sequence of events which formed the conclusions in the letter entitled, “The Beast of Revelation 13 is Mahmoud Abbas.” Revelation 13 is a puzzle, a parable whose pieces are only revealed through the progress of time. This letter will attempt to bring all the pieces together into one narrative. Since questions concerning prophecy never change and answers never change, this summary will answer almost any question.

Nevertheless, I will continue to be in disagreement with the majority because they do not have the will or the knowledge to admit they promote a false interpretation. The interpretation I am eluding to is the Revived Roman Empire theory. This scenario has been a dead end for years. I must admit though before WWI it had some validity. No  ancient interpreter could have known that the Ottoman Empire would break into so many different sovereign states. Until the fall of the Ottoman empire the only possible answer seemed to be Europe. I apologize if this narrative moves too fast. It is assumed that those reading this page are somewhat versed in Revelation. HERE WE GO.  

In reference to Revelation 13:1- The Beast rising up out of the sea is the Nation of Israel as it appears after the SIX DAY WAR in 1967.

What is meant by the term Beast? In general, most interpretations have this concept correct. According to most scholars he is the leader of ten nations. When the term Beast is used it can mean either the nations or the leader of those nations. It is the countries he leads and his location that is in dispute.

My interpretation of Rev. 13:1 is as follows:  

The Beast can be either a group of seven nations that will wage war, which include Israel or the leader of those nations. In this case, that leader is Mahmoud Abbas. He is identified by his actions and the number 666. The glue that binds them together is Islam and their hate for Israel. This was the outcome of the 1967 war. It brought Israel into a permanent state of conflict with all of her neighbors. The beast was born in 1948 with Israel declaring its independence. A closer look can be seen in Rev.17. When Israel declared its independence, five nations went to war with her and five were vanquished. The word used for vanquished is fallen in verse Rev. 17:10. “And one is”, this is Israel. Israel won her war of independence. The other that had not yet come is the Palestinian Authority, which brings us to Rev.13:1 again. The misinterpretation of Rev.17 has been the most responsible for the the Revived Roman empire theory.  

The beast rising up out of the sea having seven heads and ten horns is as follows. Seven heads are seven mountains as indicated in Rev.17. Ten horns are ten kings. This is a partial explanation of this parable. The most critical word here is the word head. If the correct meaning is applied to the word head its answer will make sense. In scriptures a mountain has two meanings. It can be either a mountain range or a nation. In this case when a head is referenced in Revelation 13:1 we are talking about nations. This applies to both the heads of Rev.13:1 as well as the beasts mortal head wound. The mortal head wound is the nation or land as claimed by the Palestinians. It is the beasts head (nation) that is wounded. The Beast is Mahmoud Abbas. It was mortally wounded in the Six Day War and has been revived in the Oslo Accords. The beast of Revelation 17 and Revelation 13 are the same because they involve the same countries.

Every theory must have a good foundation. This sequence of events can only point to one individual. I have been writing about these events for over a decade. If I had been wrong from the beginning, this scenario could not have made it all the way to its finish. As it was I had no idea that I was looking for a date, 6/16/06. I was just following the money trail. Was it a coincidence that the policy which enabled them to buy and sell and the date 666 occurred on the same day? I don't think so.

It is always wise to search for the best answer. Who could fault someone for changing there mind when a better answer comes along? It is not dishonor to correct a mistake, but to continue giving false information especially in the realm of prophecy is dishonorable. Maybe some truly believe what they are saying, as for me I quit the big money preachers long ago. A hundred years ago I could understand, 20 years ago I could understand, not today…This is why the Lord will come as a thief. They're all looking in the wrong place…

One last item needs to be mentioned here before I finish my complaint against our so-called prophecy teachers. It is a gross misinterpretation which needs to be cited. For some reason anytime the Beast is discussed he is immediately confused with Satan or the antichrist. Satan is not the Beast. He is in heaven right now. He will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12 or if you prefer 2nd Thess. chap. 2. The falling away is Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven. These are two different verses that say the same thing. Satan can only be revealed to the world after the Rapture of the Church. Christians will not go through the Great Tribulation which will last for 3.5 years. Satan will be a God to the Muslims. He is also known as the Mahdi. Mahmoud Abbas will also be worshipped to a lesser degree because he will have achieved his goal, the conquest of Jerusalem…Ephraim aka michael777

[before Time]

Hi Mike

Christians have been going for the last two thousand years identifying the beast of Revelation in their generation. Without considering the beast lived-in the first century and was well known by the Christians.

It was the beast who brought about the persecution of the living, breathing followers of Christ. Go to Revelation 1:1, 3 and you will see time statements Revealing when the events in Revelation would take place.

BT

[lineon]

Hi Mike

Not a to shabby theory!
But only time will tell
Who has fell
And who has been left behind.

Pls. don't take offence to my words.

Lineon

[michael777]

Quote (lineon @ Oct. 16 2008,12:38)

Hi Mike Not a to shabby theory! But only time will tell Who has fell And who has been left behind. Pls. don't take offence to my words. Lineon

I'm not sure what you are asking Lineon.
Both your questions are answered in the post.
Can you rephrase the question? michael777

[theodorej]

Quote (michael777 @ Oct. 16 2008,13:07)

Quote (lineon @ Oct. 16 2008,12:38) Hi Mike Not a to shabby theory! But only time will tell Who has fell And who has been left behind. Pls. don't take offence to my words. Lineon I'm not sure what you are asking Lineon. Both your questions are answered in the post. Can you rephrase the question? michael777

Greetings Mike…..An interesting theory indeed…Mahmoud Abbas was one of the planers of the massacre at Munich in 1976,so it is fair to say he had made his debut long before your theoretical analysis….With reference to the Otterman empire….It was the English who partioned Israel under the Balfour Accord and I might add that General Allenby actually fought and prevailed on the plain of Jesreel (Meggido)..These are historical facts,having said that would you think it is fair to say that the battle of Armageddon has already been fought and so we can dismiss the bibles account of this famous end time event…
I agree that many people can believe things and not know why or for different reasons…The revised Roman Empire theory is consistant with world events…We must not forget that the Catholic church has a presense in Israel and has had it for hundreds of years and still covets the ancient city,the crusades speak volumes of this desire..If we carefully examine the European Union and its relationship to Rome it is undeniable that there is a common bond,especially now that a eurocentric Pope presides as head of this global empire…This coalition as it applies to revelation is on the prophetic track….It is going to take a series of catastrophic events to expose it…Those events could very well be perpertrated by terrorists with roots in the middle east…This will force the EU to deal with the middle east in a forcefull manner…
When this occurs the US may not even be a force to be reconed with simply because we would have been one of the first victims of the scourge of terrorism…The first steps for this scenario have already been set on 3/18/08 when Germany apologized for the holacaust and pledged support for israel in its Palastinion plight with Hamas….It is not long before Israel is occupied by european peace keepers and when that happens we could very well be witness to abomonation of desolation….

[michael777]

Hi theodorej,
Thanks for the reply. I always enjoy reading them.
Concerning Armageddon, it HAS NOT been fought yet.
This war is fought after Satan has been cast out of heaven.
Christians will not be present. Satan (the Mahdi) will be
destroyed when God returns to the Earth with all his saints.
michael777

[theodorej]

Quote (michael777 @ Oct. 17 2008,06:27)

Hi theodorej, Thanks for the reply. I always enjoy reading them. Concerning Armageddon, it HAS NOT been fought yet. This war is fought after Satan has been cast out of heaven. Christians will not be present. Satan (the Mahdi) will be destroyed when God returns to the Earth with all his saints. michael777

Greetings Mike…..I have ,for long as I can remember, have been unable to prove all things scriptual when it comes to the rapture….My feeling is, it is the product of misinterpretation of scripture perhaps you can shed some light on this topic…When you speak of satan being cast out of heaven….Is he in the presense of God as we speak To refer to satan as the personage of the 12th IMAM or the Mahti is curious because muslim teachings acknowledge Jesus as well as abraham to be in the presense of allah…and the 12th Imam will return to save the world from satan….

[michael777]

Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 17 2008,10:16)

Quote (michael777 @ Oct. 17 2008,06:27) Hi theodorej, Thanks for the reply. I always enjoy reading them. Concerning Armageddon, it HAS NOT been fought yet. This war is fought after Satan has been cast out of heaven. Christians will not be present. Satan (the Mahdi) will be destroyed when God returns to the Earth with all his saints. michael777 Greetings Mike…..I have ,for long as I can remember, have been unable to prove all things scriptual when it comes to the rapture….My feeling is, it is the product of misinterpretation of scripture perhaps you can shed some light on this topic…When you speak of satan being cast out of heaven….Is he in the presense of God as we speak To refer to satan as the personage of the 12th IMAM or the Mahti is curious because muslim teachings acknowledge Jesus as well as abraham to be in the presense of allah…and the 12th Imam will return to save the world from satan….

Well don't that just sound curious!!! The Mahdi saving the world from Satan. The Mahdi is Satan.
It's like calling America the Great Satan. The classical bait and switch.

Is it true that Satan IS in the presence of God at this time? I have answered this question before,
but it was asked in a different way. It was asked me how could Satan have tempted Jesus and caused
Job so much trouble if he were not present on Earth? Also, it expressly says he walked to and fro
throughout the Earth in his conversation with God. This is the main reason scholars have so much trouble
with the Bible. They cannot see a parable when it is not directly stated as one. This situation happens alot in scripture. We are taught to learn that Jesus teaches in parables but when it comes time to apply what we have learned, we all forget. Back to my point, Now learn the parable of the wilderness. The wilderness is a specific place. This parable is written in Isaiah 35. This is where Jesus was when he was tempted of Satan. Also, the word Earth in the verses of Job can also be translated as wilderness.
So you don't have to search, I will tell you what the wilderness is. It is where the redeemed of the Lord are.
It is Heaven…michael777  

P.S. you ask all the right questions.

[Tiffany]

Hello 777

The first time a beast is mentioned is in Dan. chapter 7, in fact, there are four beasts mentioned.
A Lion, a bear, a leopard, and a dreadful and terrible one.
In verse 17 we are told what these beasts represent, kings/kingdoms.
Rev. 13:1 is showing the fourth beast, Rome, as being as bad as the previous three put together.
The seven heads represent the seven empires of the bible.
Mountain is a word used for Kingdom.
Ten is not the number of individuals, it is the number of completion, or all included.
666 is not a mark, it is the number of a name that identifies Antichrist.
Michael, I don't know where you got all that from; I could go on correcting you, but as every one
else; do you really have an interest in the truth?

Georg

[michael777]

Quote (Tiffany @ Oct. 17 2008,13:36)

Hello 777 The first time a beast is mentioned is in Dan. chapter 7, in fact, there are four beasts mentioned. A Lion, a bear, a leopard, and a dreadful and terrible one. In verse 17 we are told what these beasts represent, kings/kingdoms. Rev. 13:1 is showing the fourth beast, Rome, as being as bad as the previous three put together. The seven heads represent the seven empires of the bible. Mountain is a word used for Kingdom. Ten is not the number of individuals, it is the number of completion, or all included. 666 is not a mark, it is the number of a name that identifies Antichrist. Michael, I don't know where you got all that from; I could go on correcting you, but as every one else; do you really have an interest in the truth? Georg

Hello Tiffany,
I've been getting corrected my entire life.
If you feel you must go right ahead.
I read all posts…michael777

This is a copy of the letter referenced in my first post. It was written on June 29, 2006

Why Mahmoud Abbas is the Beast of Revelation 13.

The most important issue that must be resolved in discovering the meaning of Revelation 13 is which people are being discussed. If the wrong people are associated with the prophecies of Revelation 13 its answer can never be found. The people being referred to in Revelation 13 are the Palestinians. Once this is decided three questions have to be answered; why, how and who.

Why do the Palestinian people lack the ability to buy and sell? Due to the Hamas takeover of the Palestinian Government, Western Aid was discontinued.

How will the Palestinian people receive funds in order to buy and sell?  Through a program called the Temporary International Mechanism that bypasses the Hamas controlled Palestinian Authority. This program was established on Friday June 16, 2006. This date 6/16/06 represents the day that one man was allowed to administer a program that paid the salaries of his people.

Who will provide these salaries to the Palestinians? Western Aid was resumed through the office of Mahmoud Abbas due to the Temporary International Mechanism.

Also, what group will be prevented from getting money because they did not receive the mark? Hamas.

 The mark of Mahmoud Abbas was issued in the Palestinian Presidential Election of January 2005. To prevent double voting an indelible ink mark was applied to the right hand of all voters. Since Hamas boycotted these elections their members never received the mark. Revelation 13:16 states that he caused all, small and great, rich and poor, and free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads. Simply by being a candidate, Mahmoud Abbas caused his people to receive the mark. Anyone who voted, either for him, or against him, were there because of him.

Hamas will not honor the Image of Mahmoud Abbas, therefore all salaries are being given to Fatah, the party of Mahmoud Abbas. The Image is what the Palestinian Authority under Mahmoud Abbas represents. This Image of Abbas is required by the international community to continue peace talks with Israel. This Image is three items. These are the renunciation of terror, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and the recognition of Israel, which can also be expressed as the acceptance of the two-state solution based on the 1967 borders. If these ideas are not followed or honored those individuals will be killed. This is happening to Hamas daily.

So here is the sum of the matter. Mahmoud Abbas, in his name, was allowed to pay his people through a program created on a date that ended in three sixes. He was elected to his people by popular vote and caused his people to take a mark. This mark was given to everyone, even those in Israeli jails, who voted. Christians were always taught these basic principles, except I have linked the number 666 with his name, while prior teaching had the mark as 666 engraved.

Lastly, why is it important that these facts be stated? The reason is fulfilled prophecy written centuries ago can only mean one thing. The author of that prophecy has to be God. Also, it distinguishes between a true and a false religion. These are the two most important issues in this writing. May your faith be stronger. The blessings of God to all who understand. Ephraim

[NickHassan]

hmmm

[theodorej]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 17 2008,14:40)

hmmm

Greetings Nick…..This thread is morphing into a discussion that I have set back and think about…..

[theodorej]

Quote (michael777 @ Oct. 17 2008,11:14)

Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 17 2008,10:16) Quote (michael777 @ Oct. 17 2008,06:27) Hi theodorej, Thanks for the reply. I always enjoy reading them. Concerning Armageddon, it HAS NOT been fought yet. This war is fought after Satan has been cast out of heaven. Christians will not be present. Satan (the Mahdi) will be destroyed when God returns to the Earth with all his saints. michael777 Greetings Mike…..I have ,for long as I can remember, have been unable to prove all things scriptual when it comes to the rapture….My feeling is, it is the product of misinterpretation of scripture perhaps you can shed some light on this topic…When you speak of satan being cast out of heaven….Is he in the presense of God as we speak To refer to satan as the personage of the 12th IMAM or the Mahti is curious because muslim teachings acknowledge Jesus as well as abraham to be in the presense of allah…and the 12th Imam will return to save the world from satan…. Well don't that just sound curious!!! The Mahdi saving the world from Satan. The Mahdi is Satan. It's like calling America the Great Satan. The classical bait and switch. Is it true that Satan IS in the presence of God at this time? I have answered this question before, but it was asked in a different way. It was asked me how could Satan have tempted Jesus and caused Job so much trouble if he were not present on Earth? Also, it expressly says he walked to and fro throughout the Earth in his conversation with God. This is the main reason scholars have so much trouble with the Bible. They cannot see a parable when it is not directly stated as one. This situation happens alot in scripture. We are taught to learn that Jesus teaches in parables but when it comes time to apply what we have learned, we all forget. Back to my point, Now learn the parable of the wilderness. The wilderness is a specific place. This parable is written in Isaiah 35. This is where Jesus was when he was tempted of Satan. Also, the word Earth in the verses of Job can also be translated as wilderness. So you don't have to search, I will tell you what the wilderness is. It is where the redeemed of the Lord are. It is Heaven…michael777   P.S. you ask all the right questions.

Greetings Mike…..I appreciate the short cut,however,in my pursuit of truth Iam compelled to prove all things….It is my feeling that the only one in the presense of God is the Word (Jesus)and the spirit is the essense of God….Having said that there is no one else in the heavenly realm,with the exception of the angelic host…Mankind will see God at the second coming,first 144 thousand (first fruits) than,those that would have survived the tribulation and choose to live under the rules of the kingdom which will be presided over by none other than the King of Kings and Lord of Lord….Jesus the Christ. If there were any redeemed and now in the presense of God,why would we need a resurection….Satan is alive and well and is the God of this world and I can't disagree with the possiability of the Mahdi being the personage of satan,however,the leader of the 10 nation confederation will also be under the influence of satan…I find the Bible a fascinating timeless work of perfection….It is accomdating to the poor in spirit,meek and the humble and on the other hand it is a challendge to the wise and by design it is intended to confuse the learned…

[Tiffany]

Hi 777, this is one of my previous posts.

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Joined: June 2008 Posted: Aug. 12 2008,07:06

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Hello BT

There are three beasts with seven heads in the book of Rev., while the seven heads always have the same meaning, the seven major empires, six have already been mentioned, the seventh head was “the League of Nation”; it did not last long and out of it came the eighth, “the United Nation”; the horns and crowns do not.
First you need to know that ten does not always mean ten individuals, it represents the number of all included, or completion. Horns symbolize power, and crowns symbolize ruler-ship.

The beast in Rev. 12 is pictured as the dragon, showing that he is the power behind all worldly kingdoms, the seven heads, which represent the seven major empires of the bible.
The ten horn and ten crowns represent all the kings that would rule in all seven empires.

The beast in Rev. 13, being made up of the previous three empires, is the Roman beast, showing it is as bad as the three before it put together, as you read in Dan. 7:7.
Again, the seven heads represent the seven empires. The head which received the deadly wound is the Roman head. It was inflicted in A.D.476 when the barbarian king of the Heruli, Odoacer, deposed the Roman emperor Romulus Augustulus, and made Rom and Italy their kingdom.
The deadly wound was healed in A.D.553 when emperor Justinian of the east, reconquered the lost territory.
Since this is the Roman beast, the ten horns and crowns represent all the kings and emperor that would rule during the entire Roman period.

Rev. 17, the third beast with seven heads which referr to the same seven empires. The ten horns are all the kings, nations, that make up the seventh head, “the League of Nation”. Notice, there are no crowns; that is because only one selected king will rule in this kingdom, while the others gave their power to him.
This beast has a woman sitting on it. Woman is symbolic for church or religious organization, sitting on it not riding, meaning she is not in control. The woman represents all false religion, sitting on the seven heads shows that false religion has influenced all worldly kingdoms.

Georg

[michael777]

Hi theodorej,
You have some of what I have, stubborness. That's OK though, if we weren't that way we couldn't learn the deeper meanings.

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Greetings Mike…..I appreciate the short cut,however,in my pursuit of truth Iam compelled to prove all things….It is my feeling that the only one in the presense of God is the Word (Jesus)and the spirit is the essense of God….Having said that there is no one else in the heavenly realm,with the exception of the angelic host…Mankind will see God at the second coming,first 144 thousand (first fruits) than,those that would have survived the tribulation and choose to live under the rules of the kingdom which will be presided over by none other than the King of Kings and Lord of Lord….Jesus the Christ. If there were any redeemed and now in the presense of God,why would we need a resurection ….Satan is alive and well and is the God of this world and I can't disagree with the possiability of the Mahdi being the personage of satan,however,the leader of the 10 nation confederation will also be under the influence of satan…I find the Bible a fascinating timeless work of perfection….It is accomdating to the poor in spirit,meek and the humble and on the other hand it is a challendge to the wise and by design it is intended to confuse the learned…

  I don't know if this will help but I have to restate what has already been said in a different way.
If Satan was speaking with God in the book of JOB he must have been in his presence. It also implies he was not by himself, but with others who were with him (Satan that is). Therefore, they must have been in heaven. Here is another group of verses that may help. Read 2nd Corinthians Chapter 5. Verse 8 especially says what we all know. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.  Can you see why there needs to be a resurrection if some are already with the Lord? We are not home yet. We will meet the Lord in the air with all of our families from generations and generations ago. michael777

[theodorej]

Quote (michael777 @ Oct. 18 2008,05:36)

Hi theodorej, You have some of what I have, stubborness. That's OK though, if we weren't that way we couldn't learn the deeper meanings. Quote Greetings Mike…..I appreciate the short cut,however,in my pursuit of truth Iam compelled to prove all things….It is my feeling that the only one in the presense of God is the Word (Jesus)and the spirit is the essense of God….Having said that there is no one else in the heavenly realm,with the exception of the angelic host…Mankind will see God at the second coming,first 144 thousand (first fruits) than,those that would have survived the tribulation and choose to live under the rules of the kingdom which will be presided over by none other than the King of Kings and Lord of Lord….Jesus the Christ. If there were any redeemed and now in the presense of God,why would we need a resurection ….Satan is alive and well and is the God of this world and I can't disagree with the possiability of the Mahdi being the personage of satan,however,the leader of the 10 nation confederation will also be under the influence of satan…I find the Bible a fascinating timeless work of perfection….It is accomdating to the poor in spirit,meek and the humble and on the other hand it is a challendge to the wise and by design it is intended to confuse the learned…   I don't know if this will help but I have to restate what has already been said in a different way. If Satan was speaking with God in the book of JOB he must have been in his presence. It also implies he was not by himself, but with others who were with him (Satan that is). Therefore, they must have been in heaven. Here is another group of verses that may help. Read 2nd Corinthians Chapter 5. Verse 8 especially says what we all know. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.  Can you see why there needs to be a resurrection if some are already with the Lord? We are not home yet. We will meet the Lord in the air with all of our families from generations and generations ago. michael777

Greetings Mike…..Some times scripture defies logic and when you couple that with failable human reasoning you get error…My feeling is we all have the ability to be in the presense of God when we are cleansed of sin and pray in the spirit….God cannot be in the presense of sin,however,he can communicate in the spirit….The text in Job suggests that there was an ongoing dialog/conversation and this could have very well been conducted in the spirit,perhaps in the form of dream….IN addition this form of communication would not deminish the potency of the dialog but certainly does not require a physical presense….

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