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Revelation 1:1- A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John,
If Jesus is God, which in turn makes him all knowing, in the sense that he is the source of all knowledge, how is God here giving him information that he does not already know?
rev·e·la·tion (rv-lshn)n.1.
a. The act of revealing or disclosing.
b. Something revealed, especially a dramatic disclosure of something not previously known or realized.Remember John wrote this while exiled on the Isle of Patmos..30 or so years after Christ had accended back to heaven. This particular portion of scripture takes place during the time period God told Jesus to “sit at my right hand, until i place your enemies beneath your feet as a footstool” aka the dormant period before Christ took the throne in heaven.
Ok…fire away
Brother or Sister! First I like to know what Bible you are using. In Rev. 1:1 my King James says– servant and not slave. That is a big difference.
Second revealing somethings usually is in the future. Right it is something we did not know before. I do not think that there is a dormant period. Unless you mean something else about that? People have lived from Adam til now. God does reveal His truths to His Saints and during those 30 years, Saints died for Christ. The last part means when Christ will put the enemies beneath His footstool is when He will conquer all things in the Millenium. And the last thing that will be destroyed is Death or Satan in the Lake of Fire. Then Jesus will give the Kingdom back to the Father so God can be all in all. Hallelujah, Praise our Heavenly Father forever.
Peace and Love Mrs.Hey…
Disregard the dormant period statement..i'll save that for another post…
What i am really trying to say..is if Jesus is God… then how is God……giving jesus information he does not know………………if jesus is god?
No, it says it is the Revelation of Jesus that the Father God gave to His servants. If you understand that God is only a title then you will understand.
Ephesians 4:4 tells us that there is only one Jesus Christ and One Father who is above all. Jesus never said that He was the Almighty God. The Father in Hebrew did call Jesus God. And when you know that there are other Gods and there is one God of this world Satan that has deceived the whole world. Only those that God has called out will understand. Not by our doing, but by our Heavenly Father, through Faith in Jesus Christ who is our Mediator. Why do we need a Mediator? Because we are all Sinners and I believe we all sin daily. Sometimes we are not even aware of it.
Peace and Love Mrs.No look again..
Simply put..God gave Jesus the Revelation which Jesus then in turn gave to his servants…God and Jesus are seperate but relative entities here…
Simply put God doesn't get or receive revelations…he is the source of everyone elses revelations
Wycliffe-1 Apocalypse of Jesus Christ [Apocalypse, or revelation, of Jesus Christ], which God gave to him to make open to his servants, which things it behooveth to be made soon. And he signified, sending by his angel to his servant John,
Amplified- 1[THIS IS] the revelation of Jesus Christ [His unveiling of the divine mysteries]. God gave it to Him to disclose and make known to His bond servants certain things which must shortly and speedily come to pass [a]in their entirety. And He sent and communicated it through His angel (messenger) to His bond servant John,
Youngs- 1A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify [it], having sent through his messenger to his servant John,
Holman Christian- 1 The revelation of [a] Jesus Christ that God gave Him to show His slaves (A) what must quickly take place. (B) He sent it and signified it [c] through His angel  to His slave John,
compare to your KJV
Lemme clarify..
I take it you believe in the trinity..well..in your understanding…is possible while in heaven for jesus if he shares all the power, likeness, and knowledge of god…to be given information by God the father tha he didn't know…if how show me from scripture another example of this type “shared but not complete knowledge”..WHILE HE WAS IN HEAVEN
Quote (seek and you will find @ May 29 2008,09:06) No, it says it is the Revelation of Jesus that the Father God gave to His servants. If you understand that God is only a title then you will understand.
Ephesians 4:4 tells us that there is only one Jesus Christ and One Father who is above all. Jesus never said that He was the Almighty God. The Father in Hebrew did call Jesus God. And when you know that there are other Gods and there is one God of this world Satan that has deceived the whole world. Only those that God has called out will understand. Not by our doing, but by our Heavenly Father, through Faith in Jesus Christ who is our Mediator. Why do we need a Mediator? Because we are all Sinners and I believe we all sin daily. Sometimes we are not even aware of it.
Peace and Love Mrs.
Just look at this again. Did I not say that the Father gave Jesus the info and Jesus revealed it to His Servants. I think so.
You have not read any other post of mine, otherwise you would not ask me or tell me that I believe in the trinity. Not since we left the Catholic Church, my friend. I even quoted Eph. 4:4 which proves that there is no trinity. You are not reading my posts right since I quoted that in my last post too. I think I did put that wrong, reading it again, I meant to say that the Father gave it to Jesus to give to His Servants. I sometimes type to fast. But the Father did call Jesus God in Hebrew and in John 1:1
Mrs.Quote But the Father did call Jesus God in Hebrew and in John 1:1 Not sure what you're trying to say here, Seek, but I do know that about 5 times in the Bible, reference is made to the God of Jesus (the Father.)
Nowhere do we find a single reference to Jesus being called the “God of” Father.
Yes, he is called a God (and certainly that word fits him) –it means “mighty one, strong one.”
But, with reference to the almighty one, Jehovah God, is Jesus mighty?
Anyway, i know you don't believe the trinity. Which makes this series of posts all the more confusing, as you both don't believe in it.
Oops…sorry…its been a long day..forgive me…I have 2 little children pulling at my keyboard
So you agree that this scripture is “anti-trinity”?
I believe that many differences arise because we argue the same thing with different understanding applied to the various words bantered about. In other words, in the case of “trinity” I'm totally against a more traditional interpretation that has all equal but I do believe there is an office titled “God” which includes the almighty Father, His begotten self abasing Son that the Father has chosen to elevate and use in His dealings with mankind, and the Holy Spirit of the Father which He extends into those who have accepted Him. In this way I could accept that God is a trinity.
With all that said, we need to be sure what others believe before attacking (of course I've laid out my “trinity” belief and expect to get it from both sides now lol).
Wm
In the same sense as me and my wife are one. I just want to be clear the Father is far beyond the Son (the Son came from the Father)
Wm
Awwww…ok..your thoughts aer my thoughts…
One means one… in purpose, direction, and thoughts….but not one… physically,in rank, and authority..
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