Reincarnation

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Please reassure us that your comment about men possibly having a previous life as an evil angel was in jest

[NickHassan]

Ed?

[NickHassan]

Of course Ed,
You would not ascribe to the sharing of spirits.
The only spirits that pass from one being to another are evil spirits.
Folk are so gullible that they believe the lies these promulgate through their occupied vessels.

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

Preexistence and Reincarnation are two different things.
You do know the difference between the two, right?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

                        Our Preexistence

Yes, we all preexisted our physical flesh!
Thanks very much for your concern in this matter!
2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace,
which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)

                       “The Word” in us!

John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness (by the HolySpirit),
because [[[ye]]] have been with me from the beginning.

                         More evidence:  

Jer.1:5 Before I(YHVH) formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I(YHVH) ordained thee(Jeremiah) a prophet unto the nations.

                     Jude speaks of Angels

Jude:1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you,
feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of
winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,16:43)

Hi ED, Please reassure us that your comment about men possibly having a previous life as an evil angel was in jest

Hi Nick,

What is an 'evil Angel'?    …please define what YOU mean by this term?    <– please don't dodge this question.

I'm asking “specifically” for a definition of the terminology you used,  PLEASE DON'T GIVE EXAMPLES!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

What I said was…   they may have preexisted as a 'rebellious Angel'   …clearly this term is self defining.

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2012,19:37)

Hi Nick,                         Our Preexistence Yes, we all preexisted our physical flesh! Thanks very much for your concern in this matter! 2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)                        “The Word” in us! John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness (by the HolySpirit), because [[[ye]]] have been with me from the beginning.                          More evidence:   Jer.1:5 Before I(YHVH) formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I(YHVH) ordained thee(Jeremiah) a prophet unto the nations.                      Jude speaks of Angels Jude:1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed

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Our Preexistence Yes, we all preexisted our physical flesh! Thanks very much for your concern in this matter! 2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)

Who revealed this to you? It surely was not the holy spirit.
This verse is not talking about us pre-existing,
Read the words carefully again.
Who has saved us, and called us with an holy calling.
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace
which was given in =blue]Christ Jesus before the world began.

The plan in the beginning was to prepare a sacrificial son, and this son, Jesus Christ was his purpose from the beginning, and our calling is according to God's purpose also and grace.
This is speaking about Christ. Not our pre-existence.

Christ was planned from the beginning, and God knew exactly what he was going to do with his Word.

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2012,19:37)

Hi Nick,                         Our Preexistence Yes, we all preexisted our physical flesh! Thanks very much for your concern in this matter! 2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)                                                  More evidence:   Jer.1:5 Before I(YHVH) formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I(YHVH) ordained thee(Jeremiah) a prophet unto the nations.                      Jude speaks of Angels Jude:1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed

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“The Word” in us! John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness (by the HolySpirit), because [[[ye]]] have been with me from the beginning.

Christ is speaking to the apostles here.  
They were with him right from the start of his ministry.
The beginning of his preaching, not the beginning of creation.

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2012,19:37)

Hi Nick,                         Our Preexistence Yes, we all preexisted our physical flesh! Thanks very much for your concern in this matter! 2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)                        “The Word” in us! John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness (by the HolySpirit), because [[[ye]]] have been with me from the beginning.                          More evidence:                        Jude speaks of Angels Jude:1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed

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Jer.1:5 Before I(YHVH) formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I(YHVH) ordained thee(Jeremiah) a prophet unto the nations.

The whole verse is speaking to Jeremiah. God is all knowing. He chose Jeremiah from the start…part of his plan. It does not imply that Jeremiah pre-existed.

What's going on Ed? This information you are giving is not of the truth. You are adding your own ideas into it, and not reading the words carefully with a hunger for the truth. What is blocking you? Something only the Lord and you know about.

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2012,19:37)

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Jude speaks of Angels Jude:1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

What exactly are you trying to imply here?
These angels are twice dead.
The first death is a spiritual death they inherited when they followed Satan.
The second death hasn't happened yet for them, for they are still here.
They will be thrown into the lake of fire at the 2nd judgement, their second death.

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2012,20:10)

What I said was…    they may have preexisted as a 'rebellious Angel'    …clearly this term is self defining.

Hi Ed

There is no pre-existence for them, for they were never killed off. They still exist. They are reserved for judgement, and will be thrown into the lake of fire, only after God has finished with them (their purpose) in weeding out the tares.

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2012,15:10)

What I said was…    they may have preexisted as a 'rebellious Angel'    …clearly this term is self defining.

Ed,

To rebel against God is to do evil.

We are all appointed to live once then judgement.

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
So there is no teaching in scripture about what you promote.
As J42 says God knows the future explains most of your ideas.
His plans are all put in place by his grace so he knows the end.

His brothers had certainly been with Jesus since the beginning of the new creation in him.

Some men indeed will suffer the SECOND death and be twice dead.

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
We know from Rev 12 that one third of the heavenly angels are rejected from heaven with Satan.

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
Psalm 78:49
He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.

Satan was among the sons of God that conversed with God in Job 1-3. He administered the testing of Job-the evil that shattered his life.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Jude certainly does mention the angels who left their own habitation and are in chains awaiting judgement.
They are compared with lawless and lascivious men who have contaminated the holy assembly of saints.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,

Job 4:18
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:

1 Corinthians 6:3
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

1 Timothy 5:21
I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2012,20:09)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,16:43) Hi ED, Please reassure us that your comment about men possibly having a previous life as an evil angel was in jest Hi Nick, What is an 'evil Angel'?    …please define what YOU mean by this term?    <– please don't dodge this question. I'm asking “specifically” for a definition of the terminology you used,  PLEASE DON'T GIVE EXAMPLES! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi ED,
Scripture speaks of angels that have left their appointed abode that are in chains and reserved for judgement.[jude6]

Scripture again speak of angels that sinned who are in chains and reserved till judgement.[2Peter2.4]

Scripture speaks of angels that are Satan's[rev 12.7] and contrasts them with ELECT angels.

The ones in Ps 78 most likely are angels appointed to cause evil so are not evil in themselves IMO.

NB
The everlasting fire of mt 25.41 was not made for man but for “the devil and his angels”

The demons who serve the devil also know their unavoidable fate but knew also it was at an appointed time.

Note also no mention of a second chance or a second life in humans for angels. God only shows mercy to men.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2012,20:09)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,16:43) Hi ED, Please reassure us that your comment about men possibly having a previous life as an evil angel was in jest Hi Nick, What is an 'evil Angel'?    …please define what YOU mean by this term?    <– please don't dodge this question. I'm asking “specifically” for a definition of the terminology you used,  PLEASE DON'T GIVE EXAMPLES! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi ED,
MY definition is not any more relevant than that of a dictionary.
We need to see what is written and learn from that.

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