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I have read the article on the trinity doctrine written by the author of this web site and find no significant disagreement with the author’s thesis. I’d like to add that not only has this erroneous man made doctrine recked havoc on the christian world but that it may be responsible for the reactions of Mohammed and the growth of Islam and the wars that insued from the conflict in understanding God. What do you think?
I agree with your understanding about the negative reactions that came about because of the falling away from truth. I have just completed a writing about this, called
Fruits of ApostasyThank You t8:
I would like to thank you for your dedication to this subject of "Fruits of Apostasy" . In my own understandings of the hinderances of the true church is spoken very well by the phrase ‘chisms’ . I see on every church sign a name of a denonination and a mans name. This says alot to me that the church belongs to that ‘man’ and, those men, and not a higher authority, named Jehovah or God , or whatever you perfer. As I believed that their is still only one church , I have been teaching this truth inspite of popular opinion. Thank you for the essay t8. God bless.Hi all!
A well put together writing t8. I agree with much of it.
With the trinity teaching being such an obvious man made doctrine, what do you think would be the major biblical evidence to put this fact across?
I think these scriptures say it all.
1 Corinthians 8:5-6 (English-NIV)
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.1 Corinthians 11:3 (English-NIV)
Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.Ephesians 4:4-6 (English-NIV)
4 there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.1 Corinthians 15:24-28 (English-NIV)
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
27 For he has put everything under his feet. Now when it says that everything has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.Acts 3:15 (English-NIV)
You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this.Hebrews 5:8-10 (English-NIV)
8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered
9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.Matthew 24:36 (English-NIV)
“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.John 5:30 (English-NIV)
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.Mark 10:17-18 (English-NIV)
17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he
asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good, except God alone.John 14:28 (English-NIV)
28″You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.Mark 9:7 (English-NIV)
Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!”John 17:3 (English-NIV)
This is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.The basic problem is that trinitarianism is a non- scriptural doctrine that contradicts a number of biblical teachings and many specific verses of scripture. Also, the most obvious internal contradiction is how there can be three persons of God in any meaningful sense and yet there be only one God.
Here is compiled a number of other contradictions and problems associated with trinitarianism. Note: This list is not exhaustive but it does give an idea of how much the doctrine deviates from the Bible.
1.Did Jesus have two fathers? The father is the father of the son (1John1:3), yet the child born of Mary was conceived of the Holy Ghost Matt1:18,20; Luke1:35. Which one is the true father? Some Trinitarians claim that the Holy Ghost was merely the father’s agent in conception-a process they compare to artificial insemination!
2.How many spirits are there? God the father is a Spirit John4:24, the Lord Jesus is a Spirit 2Cor3:17 and the Holy Spirit is Spirit by definition. Yet there is one Spirit 1Cor12:13; Eph4:4
3.If Father and Son are co-equal persons, why did Jesus pray to the Father? Matt11:25. Can God pray to God?
4.Similarly, how can the Son not know as much as the Father? Matt24:36; Mark13:32.
5.Similarly, how can the Son not have any power except what the Father gives Him? John5:19,30; 6:38.
6.Similarly, what about other verses from scripture indicating the inequality of the Son and the Father? John8:42; 14:28; 1Cor11:3.
7.Did ‘God the Son’ die? The Bible shows that the Son died Rom5:10. If so, can God die? Can part of God die?
8.How can there be an eternal Son when the Son was clearly ‘begotten’, indicating an obvious beginning John3:16; Heb1:5-6.
9.If the Son is eternal and existed at creation, who was His mother during that time? The Son was made of a woman Gal4:4.
10.Did ‘God the Son’ surrender His omnipresence while on earth? If so, how could He still be God?
11.If the Son is eternal and immutable (unchanging), how can the reign of the Son have a ending? 1Cor15:24-28.
12.Whom do we worship and to whom do we pray? Jesus said to worship the Father John4:21-24, yet Stephen prayed to Jesus Acts7:59-60.
13.Can there be more than three persons in the Godhead? Obviously the OT does not teach three, but emphasizes the simple fact that there is only one.
14.Are there three Spirits in a Christian’s heart? Father, Jesus, and the Spirit all dwell within a Christian John14:17,23; Rom8:9; Eph3:14-17. Yet there is only one Spirit 1Cor12:13; Eph4:4.
15.There is only one throne in heaven Rev4:2. Who sits upon it? Jesus does Rev1:8,18; 4:8. Where do the Father and the Holy Spirit sit?
16.If Jesus is seated on the throne, how can He sit on the right hand of God? Mark16:19. Does He sit or stand on the right hand of God? Acts7:55. Or is He in the Fathers bosom? John1:18.
17.How is Jesus part of the Godhead, when clearly the Godhead is in Jesus? Col2:9.
18.Given Matt 28:19, why did the apostles consistently baptize both Jews and Gentiles using only the name of Jesus, even to the extent of rebaptism?Acts2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5; 22:16; 1Cor1:13.
19.Who raised Jesus from the dead? Did the Father Eph1:20, or Jesus John2:19-21, or the Spirit? Rom8:11.
20.If the Son and Holy Ghost are co-equal persons in the Godhead, then why is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost unforgivable but blasphemy of the Son is not? Luke12:10.
21.If the Holy Ghost is a co-equal member of the trinity, why does the Bible always show the Him being sent from the Father or from Jesus? John14:26; 15:26.
22.If they are co-equal, why does the Holy Ghost not know what the Father knows regarding the return of Christ Mark13:32.
23.If the Spirit proceeds from the Father, is the Spirit also a son of the Father? If not, why not?
24.If the Spirit proceeds from the Son, is the Spirit the grandson of the Father? If not, why not?………………….and so on…………….and so on!I believe that trinitarinism is not a biblical doctrine and that it plainly contradicts the Bible in many ways. Scripture does not teach a trinity of persons. Trinity doctrine uses terminology not used in scripture. It teaches and emphasizes plurality in the Godhead while the Bible emphasizes the fact that God is one and only one. It detracts from the fullness of Jesus Christ’s Deity. It contradicts many specific verses of scripture. It is not logical. It cannot be explained rationally, not even by those who advocate it.
ONE GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FATHER,SON,AND HOLY GHOST!GODHEAD.
1 John 4:9
In this was manifested the love of God toward us,because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world,that we might live through him.Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen,being understood by the things that are made,even his eternal power,and Godhead,so that they are without excuse.Read In your Holy Bible Revelation 5,and see The Lamb (Jesus Christ) Takes the book from the right hand of Father God.
Revelation 21:22-23
And I saw no temple therein,for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it,for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
(Us,Our)
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
Genesis 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language,
Isaiah 6:8
Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?
Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons,God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts,crying, Abba, Father.
Notice When Worshipping Lord God Almighty! Holy is spoken 3 times.
Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty.
Isaiah 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts, the whole earth is full of his glory.
Revelation 4:8
And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him,and they were full of eyes within,and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Matthew 24:36
(JESUS SAID)But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Jesus Christ the Son didnt usher the answer from Father God in Heaven at that time,because its to be kept as a mystery(secret)
This merges with free will of the humans on Earth,because they must be Rapture ready at all times!The people of God do get a dimensional awareness from the Holy Ghost as the ushering Rapture opens up the divine supernatural door into heaven.
Revelation 4:1
After this I looked,and there before me was a door standing open in heaven.And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said,Come up here,and I will show you what must take place after this.
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Jesus Christ is the Son of God,and Jesus Christ was created before the World!Son is the Lamb,Jesus Christ(Lambs book of life)
2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began.
1 Peter 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.
John 17:24
Father,I will that they also,whom thou hast given me,be with me where I am,that they may behold my glory,which thou hast given me,for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Ephesians 1:4-5
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man,but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.
Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.
John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her,Touch me not,for I am not yet ascended to my Father,but go to my brethren,and say unto them,I ascend unto my Father,and your Father,and to my God,and your God.
Thank You,Lord Jesus Christ.I Love You!
When Jesus Christ would go alone to pray,he wasnt talking to himself,Jesus Christ was talking to Father God,and when Jesus Christ was on the cross,he gave his spirit to Father God,he didnt say,I give my spirit to myself! When Jesus Christ was babtized,The Father talked to the son! Jesus Is Lord,and the Son of Father God.
Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh,the same shall be clothed in white raiment,and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father,and before his angels.
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Welcome see33,
Thank you for the insights on the Jewish wedding. Lovely stuff.The word “godhead” is a kjv word that is often used to imply a trinity. However if you compare the words use in other newer translations you will see it means the Father. Why go beyond what can be shown from scripture into the murky realms of vain speculation about God?
I am confused on how you see the relationship between the Father and Son. You give us lots of lovely scriptures about how they are different yet seem to want us to believe they are also the same. That does not have any scriptural support.
To say because there are three “Holy”s in the prayers of the angels, one for each 'person', is a very far fetched, bizarre and weak argument in my view.
Do you know of any scriptures saying the Holy Spirit is a separate person in heaven? Do you know of any suggesting we should worship the Spirit?
Quote (GJG @ July 16 2003,14:18) Hi all! A well put together writing t8. I agree with much of it.
With the trinity teaching being such an obvious man made doctrine, what do you think would be the major biblical evidence to put this fact across?
Given all the scriptures that have been shared so far, it ought to be an open and shut case against the trinity by now! But oh well, here goes. He who has ears to hear, let him hear:
Mark 12:1-11
12Then He began to speak to them in parables: “A man planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a place for the wine vat and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country.
2 Now at vintage-time he sent a servant to the vinedressers, that he might receive some of the fruit of the vineyard from the vinedressers.
3 And they took him and beat him and sent him away empty-handed.
4 Again he sent them another servant, *and at him they threw stones, wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully treated.
5 And again he sent another, and him they killed; and many others, beating some and killing some. 6 Therefore still having one son, his beloved, he also sent him to them last, saying, 'They will respect my son.'
7 But those vinedressers said among themselves, 'This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.'
8 So they took him and killed him and cast him out of the vineyard.
9 “Therefore what will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the vinedressers, and give the vineyard to others.
10 Have you not even read this Scripture:
'The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
11 This was the Lord's doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes'?”*———-
In a nutshell, in terms that any generation should understand regardless of their educational background, this is what Jesus likened the Kingdom of God to.
If Jesus were here, I have no doubt that he would conclude that we have “judged rightly.”
In Luke 7:36-50, Jesus gave a parable/illustration regarding forgiveness to Simon. He then asked Simon saying:
vs 42 “And when they had nothing with which to repay, He freely forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him more?”
vs 43 Simon answered and said, “I suppose the one whom he forgave more.” And He said to him, “you have rightly judged.”While Luke 7:36-50 has no direct bearing on the topic at hand, it demonstrates that Jesus spoke plainly and logically, asked a question based on what he said, and approved of the only logical answer deduced from what he said. He did not say it is mysterious, he did not take any other factors into consideration except what he presented, he did not beat about the bush and grap at straws and extrapolations as have Trinitarians.
We cannot know more than has been revealed to us, and these are the things that are revealed upon which we are expected to base our decisions. All the facts must be put together mathematically, and then let's have the logical answer. All else is inference.
If 3+5 = 8. Then 3+5-7=1. The scriptures must remain unbroken, says Jesus. So if the Father and the Son are One but the Father is greater, then well, your answer must reflect that. Without that, one would find the holy scriptures conflicting.
With that in mind, let's consider Mark 12:1-11 above, and rest assure that the obvious and logical response is the right one. The Owner of the Vineyard is the Most High God and Christ is the Son whom he sent. And the two are not the same although the Father dearly loves his Son and vice versa.
This is the way Jesus chose to tell the story, and communicate the truth he wanted to impart. And we are not to add or retract from it.
Good points and good post cubes,
It is interesting to compare the scripture you quoted about Simon in Luke 7 with the corresponding versions in Matt 26 and Mk 14[+ ? jn 12]
The Matthew and Mark versions are placed just before the Passover and the death of Jesus. The perfume, identified as nard in Mark, is shown as an anointing of his body prior to his death and burial.
Simon is said to a leper in both these versions but there is no mention of Jesus healing him.The main impact seems to be focussed on the waste of money aspect of the event by the disciples though what the woman did with her own money would appear to be no one elses' business.
In the Luke version Jesus is towards the beginning of his mission and Simon is said to be a pharisee. Jesus highlights the lack of respect shown to him by Simon and contrasts it with the deserved respect shown for him by the woman and her true repentance.
I love the way God does this with his Word. All versions are true and we would believe all of them but they are used in different ways in different accounts to serve God's special purposes.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2005,08:39) Good points and good post cubes,
It is interesting to compare the scripture you quoted about Simon in Luke 7 with the corresponding versions in Matt 26 and Mk 14[+ ? jn 12]
The Matthew and Mark versions are placed just before the Passover and the death of Jesus. The perfume, identified as nard in Mark, is shown as an anointing of his body prior to his death and burial.
Simon is said to a leper in both these versions but there is no mention of Jesus healing him.The main impact seems to be focussed on the waste of money aspect of the event by the disciples though what the woman did with her own money would appear to be no one elses' business.
In the Luke version Jesus is towards the beginning of his mission and Simon is said to be a pharisee. Jesus highlights the lack of respect shown to him by Simon and contrasts it with the true repentance of the woman.
I love the way God does this with his Word. All versions are true and we would believe all of them but they are used in different ways in different accounts to serve God's special purposes.
Hi Nick,You had me going back to read the accounts in Matt 26, Mark 14, Luke 7, John 11:2 and 12. And it was a nice.
I feel pretty certain that it is the same account. My favorite part of this whole story is John 11:2 as to the identity of this woman–Mary– and how close she and her family became to Jesus!
Now these are some personal thoughts of mine and they can be tossed out if need be: Let me know what you all think?
Do you notice that besides the disciples, some of the main characters are all people that Jesus touched? Mary, Lazarus and obviously Simon (because people would not gather in the house of a leper for a meal unless he was no longer a leper, right? I believe he was a recipient of God's healing grace).
The group it would appear had something in common.Mary, Lazarus' sister—a reknowned sinner and forgiven of much.
Simon a Pharisee and Leper—now hosting a gathering in his house over a meal. People are gathered at a table of which Lazarus is one.
Lazarus—raised from the dead.***Now another thing is John 12:4 states, “then one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, who would betray him, said…”
And I am thinking, could Judas be the son of Simon the Pharisee and Leper in whose home this event took place?
Obviously Simon is a common name, but when you put all the accounts together….Simon is mentioned by name in Matt, Mark & Luke. John avoids mentioning Simon except in that verse, but it is in John where Mary and Lazarus are mentioned. With the exception of Luke (where location was unnamed), the location of the event is set in Bethany…and it never says in John, in the house of Lazarus, but only that Lazarus lives in Bethany.
So you have this account taking place in Bethany where Lazarus and Simon live. There is a gathering at Simon's(according to Matt, Mark & Luke), and then John speaking of the same event, utters John 12:4. Hmmm… and in such a way (NKJV) that you should know which Simon is being talked about, in that, no other info is given to distinguish this Simon from all other simons. They were in Simon's house, and John is telling us about Judas Iscariot, “Simon's son.” Normally, wouldn't scripture give us some other distinguishing statement?
Now consider Simon's attitude in Luke 7… if he is a recipient of grace by being healed, and is now looking at Mary and thinking, Jesus can't be a prophet to not know what manner of woman Mary is, you begin to pick up on a certain cynicism of the Pharisees which would give us a glimpse into Judas' Iscariot character when he complains about selling the costly fragrance for 300 Ds. Simon seems to still doubt Jesus and Judas doesn't think he is worth 300 Ds. Could this be a family attitude towards Jesus? And wouldn't that make Judas' betrayal all the more personal and dispicable?
Although the other disciples are noted to have complained too about the costly oil, you get the feeling from John 12 that Judas had to be the leaven that leavened the whole lump, the complainer who stirred up mischief. Matt 26 & Mark 14 indicate that soon after these things he was on his way to betray Jesus. It is in John that he is pointed out as the main instigator.
As you said, “All versions are true and we would believe all of them but they are used in different ways in different accounts to serve God's special purposes.”
Finally, these are the points that convince me that these passages speak of the same event & persons: John 11:2, and what Jesus said about her with regards to her anointing of him and her subsequent memorial as a result, through the ages. This lets me see that there is one woman being spoken of in the passages.
What are your thoughts?
Fascinating. No definite proof but you would think such an event would not have happened twice. One is only anointed once for burial. The scripture about Judas's father being Simon is in John 6.71 by the way. Jesus mixed with sinners but I always thought the Mary in Jn 12 was Mary Magdelene but it is certainly the sister whom Martha complained about for preferring to listen to Jesus instead of helping.
Simon was unusual, being hospitable but insulting at the same time. Was he just curious about Jesus? The disciples also showed their ignorance at the glory of Jesus by criticising the woman's spending. Jesus knew his place and accepted the gift graciously.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 14 2005,00:02) Fascinating. No definite proof but you would think such an event would not have happened twice. One is only anointed once for burial. The scripture about Judas's father being Simon is in John 6.71 by the way. Jesus mixed with sinners but I always thought the Mary in Jn 12 was Mary Magdelene but it is certainly the sister whom Martha complained about for preferring to listen to Jesus instead of helping.
Simon was unusual, being hospitable but insulting at the same time. Was he just curious about Jesus? The disciples also showed their ignorance at the glory of Jesus by criticising the woman's spending. Jesus knew his place and accepted the gift graciously.
Thanks for the reference to John 6:71 on Judas Iscariot. I never paid attention to it until today. And no, I don't get the impression that people were running around bringing their Alabaster Flasks of costly fragrance to anoint Jesus for burial like that. In any case, only one woman is said to me memorialzed for doing it.It would be interesting to keep an eye on Mary Magdalene through the scriptures and see if she is the same Mary or different.
I like how clues are strewn throughout the bible.
Hi cubes,
I do not think the two Mary's are the same. I would have thought 'Magdalene' means 'from Magdala' or something similar. Someone will know. We know she had seven devils cast out of her but if the Mary, the sister of Lazarus, is the sinner in Lk 7 and Jn 12 she was the town prostitute!Mary Magdalene is a brave and faithful woman being at the foot of the cross and going to embalm his body after the death of Jesus. Her name appears as the first witness of the activities of Jesus several times.
ps It is interesting that the thoughts of Simon were recorded in Luke 7.The only way the writer would know those thoughts is by speaking to him later personally I would have thought.
Another interesting fact is that in Matthew and Mark the woman anoints his head with the perfume but in Luke and John it is his feet.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 14 2005,00:51) Hi cubes,
I do not think the two Mary's are the same. I would have thought 'Magdalene' means 'from Magdala' or something similar. Someone will know. We know she had seven devils cast out of her but if the Mary, the sister of Lazarus, is the sinner in Lk 7 and Jn 12 she was the town prostitute!Mary Magdalene is a brave and faithful woman being at the foot of the cross and going to embalm his body after the death of Jesus. Her name appears as the first witness of the activities of Jesus several times.
Hi Nick, I feel we've hijacked this thread somehow, so I don't mind if you want to continue this discussion in a new thread.
Using an internet bible, I did a word search and a topical overview of Mary and got 54 hits. These are the Marys presented:
1. MARY: Mother of our Lord and James [the lesser], Joses, Simon, Juda(s) and sisters. Also wife of Joseph.
2. Mary: Sister of Mary #1, and wife of Cleophas.Jhn 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the [wife] of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
3. Mary [sister of Martha and Lazarus; anointed Jesus with costly fragrance].
4. Mary Magdalene [out of whom the Lord cast out seven demons].
5. Mary [mother of John Mark]: Peter first went to her house when the angel delivered him out of the hands of Herod from prison, shortly after James was killed.
6. Mary [Rom 16:6 Greet Mary, who bestowed much labour on us.]I could be very wrong but I can't help thinking Mary Magdalene and Mary {Lazarus' sister} could be the same. Here are my reasons:
Without a doubt, Mary Magdalene loved Jesus. She is often with Jesus' mom, and appears to be one of his closest friends or part of the family for being there so often! She was the one at the tomb after jesus was buried, the one who ran to tell the disciples, the one to whom Jesus first revealed himself because she was watching and waiting so to speak. Jesus calls her by name at the tomb, “Mary.” Some other accounts feature her with his mother at the tomb.
Now take Mary, the sister of Lazarus. We see her in 2 or three instances and all are intense.
a) We see her sitting at Jesus' feet when she should have been helping out dear Martha. Jesus calls her by name, Mary.
Luke 10:42: But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
b) We see her washing Jesus' feet with her tears and wiping them with her hair, then anointing his feet with the costly fragrance. And those disciples attitude didn't appear to bother her one bit.
c) We see her at the raising of Lazarus. Jesus asks for her specifically:
___Jesus is reported to love the whole family of Lazarus, Martha and Mary but he appears to be closest to Mary. What are the chances that the one who anoints him with the costly fragrance for his burial in such a special way, was also there to help anoint him after his burial, and would be that person watching and waiting at the tomb. Salome, Joanna and others were there but it is Mary Magdalene who is more consistently presented, besides his mom.
Also, sometimes his mom is referred to simply as the mother of James, Jonas, Juda, etc so that if you didn't know, you would think she was some one else.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 14 2005,19:49) ps It is interesting that the thoughts of Simon were recorded in Luke 7.The only way the writer would know those thoughts is by speaking to him later personally I would have thought. Another interesting fact is that in Matthew and Mark the woman anoints his head with the perfume but in Luke and John it is his feet.
How about, speaking to Simon or to any of the others who were present who might have overheard the conversation of Luke 7? Jesus appears to have spoken openly to address Simon's private thoughts. The apostles would have been some of the people present at the gathering and likely overheard him.With regards to the head and feet anointing, how about both? One account needn't negate the other as both could have happened, no?
And Magdalene meaning a tower, that doesn't help us very much. I recently saw a tv broadcast on Fox News that showed an ancient Israeli tower possibly constructed by Absalom or some other person whose name escapes me right now. I don't know whether or not towers were very popular in those days.
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