Quran vs the bible

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:04)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,09:44)

bod,

2)let me state this again, there are muslims who believed that have nevered sinned. thats a problem.

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18

Hi BD,

Rom.3:23-25 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his
righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
1Jn.1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 17, 2010 at 2:15 am#197520

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Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2010,12:39)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:04)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,09:44)

bod,

2)let me state this again, there are muslims who believed that have nevered sinned. thats a problem.

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18

Hi BD,

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

So you even argue against Jesus with Paul but there is a problem with that because Paul says

ALL have sinned, did Jesus sin? If you say no you prove Paul to be a liar at worst and someone misleading at best, which is it?

Jesus never said all have sinned

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Genesis 6:8-10

But the high places were not removed: nevertheless Asa's heart was perfect with the LORD all his days.
1 Kings 15:13-15

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 13:9-11

June 17, 2010 at 3:17 am#197549

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:04)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,09:44)

bod,

2)let me state this again, there are muslims who believed that have nevered sinned. thats a problem.

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18

This is what i call a knife comment.

In the court of law there are two type of prosecutors. there is one who presents evidence describing how the Knife the murder weapon is connected to the victem and the murderer, with evidence of blood samples of the knife, and the owner is the killer himself.

where as what you do at times, you present the knife, and make no further connection.

To the jury: Jury this is the KNIFE. THe Knife! i rest my case.

its frustrating when people make such comments and claims.

anyways answer the question.

June 17, 2010 at 4:24 am#197569

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,14:17)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:04)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,09:44)

bod,

2)let me state this again, there are muslims who believed that have nevered sinned. thats a problem.

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18

This is what i call a knife comment.

where as what you do at times, you present the knife, and make no further connection.

To the jury: Jury this is the KNIFE. THe Knife! i rest my case.

its frustrating when people make such comments and claims.

anyways answer the question.

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Genesis 6:8-10

But the high places were not removed: nevertheless Asa's heart was perfect with the LORD all his days.
1 Kings 15:13-15

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 13:9-11

When the Bible says that Jesus never sinned what do you think it means? It doesn't mean he was never angry or violent it simply means he did not transgress the laws of God which are not burdensom for anyone raised to not violate those laws.

Jesus admitted that he didn't come for those who were already righteous if there were none he wouldn't have made the comment

June 17, 2010 at 4:58 am#197578

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,15:24)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,14:17)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:04)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,09:44)

bod,

2)let me state this again, there are muslims who believed that have nevered sinned. thats a problem.

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18

This is what i call a knife comment.

where as what you do at times, you present the knife, and make no further connection.

To the jury: Jury this is the KNIFE. THe Knife! i rest my case.

its frustrating when people make such comments and claims.

anyways answer the question.

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Genesis 6:8-10

But the high places were not removed: nevertheless Asa's heart was perfect with the LORD all his days.
1 Kings 15:13-15

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 13:9-11

Jesus admitted that he didn't come for those who were already righteous if there were none he wouldn't have made the comment

noah was reffered to be perfect according to his walk with God, his relationship with God.

yet considered perfect in the heart, not that he didnt have inquity in him, or that he was sinless. you cannot state what scripture does not state. Noah got drunk, and ended up naked, doesnt sound so holy.

Jesus in the other hand never sinned!!

AND THIS IS BESIDES THE POINT,

THIS IS ANOTHER DISTRACTION FROM THE ORGINAL QUESTION I ASKED!!!

ITS EITHER YOUR INDIRECTLY ANSWERING THE QUESTION, BY AGREEING WITH THE WHAT I STATED OR YOUR CHANGING THE SUBJECT.

knife comment.

June 17, 2010 at 2:43 pm#197621

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,15:58)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,15:24)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,14:17)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:04)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,09:44)

bod,

2)let me state this again, there are muslims who believed that have nevered sinned. thats a problem.

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18

This is what i call a knife comment.

where as what you do at times, you present the knife, and make no further connection.

To the jury: Jury this is the KNIFE. THe Knife! i rest my case.

its frustrating when people make such comments and claims.

anyways answer the question.

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Genesis 6:8-10

But the high places were not removed: nevertheless Asa's heart was perfect with the LORD all his days.
1 Kings 15:13-15

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 13:9-11

Jesus admitted that he didn't come for those who were already righteous if there were none he wouldn't have made the comment

noah was reffered to be perfect according to his walk with God, his relationship with God.

Jesus in the other hand never sinned!!

AND THIS IS BESIDES THE POINT,

THIS IS ANOTHER DISTRACTION FROM THE ORGINAL QUESTION I ASKED!!!

ITS EITHER YOUR INDIRECTLY ANSWERING THE QUESTION, BY AGREEING WITH THE WHAT I STATED OR YOUR CHANGING THE SUBJECT.

knife comment.

Actually it is very relevent.
How is it Noah getting drunk and ending up naked a sin? If it was don't you think God would have chastised Noah but instead he chastised the son who looked upon him instead of just coevering him up.

Jesus drank wine, Flipped over tables and drove out people with whips, Called people names, destroyed a fig tree for no reason at all since it was not in season, deceived his Mother to stay at the temple,…etc

None of these were sins either so the question is do you even know what sinning is?

June 17, 2010 at 5:15 pm#197645

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,01:43)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,15:58)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,15:24)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,14:17)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:04)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,09:44)

bod,

2)let me state this again, there are muslims who believed that have nevered sinned. thats a problem.

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18

This is what i call a knife comment.

where as what you do at times, you present the knife, and make no further connection.

To the jury: Jury this is the KNIFE. THe Knife! i rest my case.

its frustrating when people make such comments and claims.

anyways answer the question.

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Genesis 6:8-10

But the high places were not removed: nevertheless Asa's heart was perfect with the LORD all his days.
1 Kings 15:13-15

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 13:9-11

Jesus admitted that he didn't come for those who were already righteous if there were none he wouldn't have made the comment

noah was reffered to be perfect according to his walk with God, his relationship with God.

Jesus in the other hand never sinned!!

AND THIS IS BESIDES THE POINT,

THIS IS ANOTHER DISTRACTION FROM THE ORGINAL QUESTION I ASKED!!!

ITS EITHER YOUR INDIRECTLY ANSWERING THE QUESTION, BY AGREEING WITH THE WHAT I STATED OR YOUR CHANGING THE SUBJECT.

knife comment.

None of these were sins either so the question is do you even know what sinning is?

HI BD,

What Noah was perfect in his generations (Gen.6:9) means is…
Noah had no nephyliam DNA in his genetic ancestry. (Gen.6:3-8)
Why do you 'think' YHVH told Joshua to slay them (Josh:8:24)
all, including their women and children? (nephyliam DNA)

quran=Babylon
You really need to drop satan's 'book of fraud',
it is confusing you more and more! (Gen.11:7)
.

June 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm#197659

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Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,04:15)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,01:43)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,15:58)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,15:24)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,14:17)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:04)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,09:44)

bod,

2)let me state this again, there are muslims who believed that have nevered sinned. thats a problem.

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18

This is what i call a knife comment.

where as what you do at times, you present the knife, and make no further connection.

To the jury: Jury this is the KNIFE. THe Knife! i rest my case.

its frustrating when people make such comments and claims.

anyways answer the question.

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Genesis 6:8-10

But the high places were not removed: nevertheless Asa's heart was perfect with the LORD all his days.
1 Kings 15:13-15

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 13:9-11

Jesus admitted that he didn't come for those who were already righteous if there were none he wouldn't have made the comment

noah was reffered to be perfect according to his walk with God, his relationship with God.

Jesus in the other hand never sinned!!

AND THIS IS BESIDES THE POINT,

THIS IS ANOTHER DISTRACTION FROM THE ORGINAL QUESTION I ASKED!!!

ITS EITHER YOUR INDIRECTLY ANSWERING THE QUESTION, BY AGREEING WITH THE WHAT I STATED OR YOUR CHANGING THE SUBJECT.

knife comment.

None of these were sins either so the question is do you even know what sinning is?

HI BD,

quran=Babylon
You really need to drop satan's 'book of fraud',
it is confusing you more and more! (Gen.11:7)
.

Making things up don't make them right

What about Job God also called him perfect or Asa, God also called him perfect

It's funny you will make up your own theories that have no biblical evidence. Why didn't God say “Noah you are not part of the nepkylim I find you perfect”? Because your making stuff up, that's why.

June 17, 2010 at 8:06 pm#197663

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,01:43)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,15:58)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,15:24)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,14:17)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:04)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,09:44)

bod,

2)let me state this again, there are muslims who believed that have nevered sinned. thats a problem.

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18

This is what i call a knife comment.

where as what you do at times, you present the knife, and make no further connection.

To the jury: Jury this is the KNIFE. THe Knife! i rest my case.

its frustrating when people make such comments and claims.

anyways answer the question.

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Genesis 6:8-10

But the high places were not removed: nevertheless Asa's heart was perfect with the LORD all his days.
1 Kings 15:13-15

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 13:9-11

Jesus admitted that he didn't come for those who were already righteous if there were none he wouldn't have made the comment

noah was reffered to be perfect according to his walk with God, his relationship with God.

Jesus in the other hand never sinned!!

AND THIS IS BESIDES THE POINT,

THIS IS ANOTHER DISTRACTION FROM THE ORGINAL QUESTION I ASKED!!!

ITS EITHER YOUR INDIRECTLY ANSWERING THE QUESTION, BY AGREEING WITH THE WHAT I STATED OR YOUR CHANGING THE SUBJECT.

knife comment.

None of these were sins either so the question is do you even know what sinning is?

Bod,

This is not revelant.

The question of Noahs perfection was within his heart. Yes his sons were perfect, but my point is that noah got drunk and disordely, he wasnt perfect in every way.

Jesus Christ did not sin at all. He did not get drunk. Because he got angry doesnt mean he sinned. He called people for what they are. He cursed a Fig tree as an example for us.

he never decieved his mother.

The differense here is Jesus did things perfectly to Gods will.

Sin is doing anything not in Gods will.

again this is a change of subject, your running away from the question. a distraction from what i orginally asked you, you accused of Ed J of running away, your doing the very samme.

June 17, 2010 at 8:34 pm#197669

Participant

You asked can a person not sin, I just showed you where God called some people righteous or perfect obviously meaning they acted in the will of God and therefore did not sin
although someone else may judge these same actions as “sinning”

June 17, 2010 at 8:58 pm#197675

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 18 2010,07:06)

Jesus Christ did not sin at all. Because he got angry doesn't mean he sinned.
He called people for what they are. He cursed a Fig tree as an example for us.

Hi SF,

There's no evidence to suggest 'he got angry'?
I've eliminated anger out of my life long ago.
I also use counter-tactics on a regular basis
like yelling at children “to make them comply”.
I believe Jesus was also using a counter-tactic.

BD should appreciate this common tactic;
Submission is then ultimately achieved!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. BD will probably say I made this up as well, oh well; whatcha you gonna do?

June 17, 2010 at 9:11 pm#197677

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Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,07:58)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 18 2010,07:06)

Jesus Christ did not sin at all. Because he got angry doesn't mean he sinned.
He called people for what they are. He cursed a Fig tree as an example for us.

Hi SF,

BD should appreciate this common tactic;
Submission is then ultimately achieved!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. BD will probably say I made this up as well, oh well; whatcha you gonna do?

While I agre it could have been a couter-tactic I am saying it wouldn't matter if he was angry or acting upset it's the same thing and neither is a sin.

And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.
Exodus 32:18-20

This was not a sin to be angry at sin

June 18, 2010 at 2:41 am#197798

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,08:11)

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,07:58)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 18 2010,07:06)

Jesus Christ did not sin at all. Because he got angry doesn't mean he sinned.
He called people for what they are. He cursed a Fig tree as an example for us.

Hi SF,

BD should appreciate this common tactic;
Submission is then ultimately achieved!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. BD will probably say I made this up as well, oh well; whatcha you gonna do?

While I agre it could have been a couter-tactic I am saying it wouldn't matter if he was angry or acting upset it's the same thing and neither is a sin.

This was not a sin to be angry at sin

Hi BD,

The bible clearly says Moses was angry.
There is no such account of anger in Jesus, upset or anything else.

Ed J

June 18, 2010 at 3:32 am#197824

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,13:41)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,08:11)

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,07:58)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 18 2010,07:06)

Jesus Christ did not sin at all. Because he got angry doesn't mean he sinned.
He called people for what they are. He cursed a Fig tree as an example for us.

Hi SF,

BD should appreciate this common tactic;
Submission is then ultimately achieved!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. BD will probably say I made this up as well, oh well; whatcha you gonna do?

While I agre it could have been a couter-tactic I am saying it wouldn't matter if he was angry or acting upset it's the same thing and neither is a sin.

This was not a sin to be angry at sin

Hi BD,

The bible clearly says Moses was angry.
There is no such account of anger in Jesus, upset or anything else.

Ed J

I love it, keep talking it shows just how much you know
what about this ED?

And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,
1 Kings 11:8-10

What do you say now, ED

Will you be a man and concede that you were wrong?

June 18, 2010 at 4:37 am#197855

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,14:32)

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,13:41)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,08:11)

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,07:58)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 18 2010,07:06)

Jesus Christ did not sin at all. Because he got angry doesn't mean he sinned.
He called people for what they are. He cursed a Fig tree as an example for us.

Hi SF,

BD should appreciate this common tactic;
Submission is then ultimately achieved!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. BD will probably say I made this up as well, oh well; whatcha you gonna do?

While I agre it could have been a couter-tactic I am saying it wouldn't matter if he was angry or acting upset it's the same thing and neither is a sin.

This was not a sin to be angry at sin

Hi BD,

The bible clearly says Moses was angry.
There is no such account of anger in Jesus, upset or anything else.

Ed J

I love it, keep talking it shows just how much you know
what about this ED?

And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,
1 Kings 11:8-10

What do you say now, ED

Will you be a man and concede that you were wrong?

Hi BD,

We were talking about Jesus remember…
are you now calling Jesus the LORD?

Ed J

June 18, 2010 at 7:07 am#197897

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,15:37)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,14:32)

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,13:41)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,08:11)

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,07:58)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 18 2010,07:06)

Jesus Christ did not sin at all. Because he got angry doesn't mean he sinned.
He called people for what they are. He cursed a Fig tree as an example for us.

Hi SF,

BD should appreciate this common tactic;
Submission is then ultimately achieved!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. BD will probably say I made this up as well, oh well; whatcha you gonna do?

While I agre it could have been a couter-tactic I am saying it wouldn't matter if he was angry or acting upset it's the same thing and neither is a sin.

This was not a sin to be angry at sin

Hi BD,

The bible clearly says Moses was angry.
There is no such account of anger in Jesus, upset or anything else.

Ed J

I love it, keep talking it shows just how much you know
what about this ED?

And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,
1 Kings 11:8-10

What do you say now, ED

Will you be a man and concede that you were wrong?

Hi BD,

We were talking about Jesus remember…
are you now calling Jesus the LORD?

Ed J

If God can get angry then of course Jesus also got angry.

June 18, 2010 at 7:51 am#197904

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,07:34)

Bod,

for the Love of God, why couldnt you just say that.
Its simple, now i know we disagree.

Righteous and Perfection comes only through a open relationship with God, Its God being totally every part of you life, its not them, its God.

the only thing we can do is say yes to all, and the only reason we would do that is by being in love with God.

The text you provided did not mean these men did not ever Sin. the only Sinless man was Jesus Christ.

with that said, that EVERYONE has fallen short. Every one since our youth has sinned against God, trangressed.

you did not answer my question compelelty or maybe you misunderstood it.

This muslim cliamed that their family member has NEVER sinned in their life,
by what your stating, i can assume that you agree with that cliam.

Which i find incorrect, its in Mans nature to Sin, espeacialy when they are without God. Thats why one must die and be reborn again.

June 18, 2010 at 7:54 am#197905

Participant

Hi ed J,

I agree with Bod,

being angry is not a sin.

The bible says that, be angry but do not sin,

It does not say however that being angry is a sin.

the bible also said that Jesus cried.

It think this is irrvalent though to the thread so i think this point should be dropped.

June 18, 2010 at 2:10 pm#197995