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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,10:02) Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,08:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,07:37) 1) You are clearly saying here that Lucifer and God's spirit was both inside of Jesus and this was all the fullness of the Godhead dwelling in him bodily. 2) This means you are saying that crucifixion was necessary to remove the corruption in Christ which was Lucifer
3) You are saying that the Godhead had been corrupted and needed to be purged by way of the cross that is what you believe
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Hi BD,
1) No, I didn't say that; you did.
2) Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
3) I didn't say that either?
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I said:Quote Okay, so you are saying if I understand correctly Lucifer was in the Godhead with Jesus and Jehovah? Lucifer pursued Jesus to earth and upon killing him remained behind as Satan and Jesus returned back to Jehovah and this purified Jehovah's spirit to dwell in the believers?
then you said
Quote Hi BD, Although you still don't have the wording nailed down, you may be beginning to understand.
Jesus was (in essence) a “fractal” of God, enabling the cleansing of God to come to believers.Ed J
Hi BD,So are you beginning to understand; or no?
Ed J
Bod,
You know bod,
I have family that had to go to Iraq.
And when they returned they told me many things.The strange thing is that the Arabics of Iraq would disagree with you. Many of the things you have said would be disagreed by many Iraqi's. Of course i cant say all of them
you said earlier that no Muslim would agree that the God of the bible and the quran were different. I spoke to some people and it seems your claim is invalid. actually they claim a huge difference, and even have no respect for most “americans” culture and religion because they act. which i dont blame them.
The central question over there is not what religion are you from, its what God do you worship.
The arguements you have presented have got me thinking alot, because other muslims out of the USA have not ever stated that they are the same God. or at least that the bible is valid.
Anyways. I even spoke to a muslim once who stated ” I dont believe that my sister has never sinned.”
I dont believe all muslims agree with you.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 14 2010,12:17) Bod, You know bod,
I have family that had to go to Iraq.
And when they returned they told me many things.The strange thing is that the Arabics of Iraq would disagree with you. Many of the things you have said would be disagreed by many Iraqi's. Of course i cant say all of them
you said earlier that no Muslim would agree that the God of the bible and the quran were different. I spoke to some people and it seems your claim is invalid. actually they claim a huge difference, and even have no respect for most “americans” culture and religion because they act. which i dont blame them.
The central question over there is not what religion are you from, its what God do you worship.
The arguements you have presented have got me thinking alot, because other muslims out of the USA have not ever stated that they are the same God. or at least that the bible is valid.
Anyways. I even spoke to a muslim once who stated ” I dont believe that my sister has never sinned.”
I dont believe all muslims agree with you.
All arabic people are not Muslim and not all Muslims are well versed regarding the Quran just like many Christians have no idea what's in the Bible.In-fact the Quran even says this:
The arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #97)Certain of the desert arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #101)we see this all the time with the terrorist that blow up places of worship and kill innocent people it has already been written in the Quran, Allah is well aware of what they do.
The only time a Muslim will say that it is not the same God is if you say that Jesus is God because they know that Jesus is not God but they will not say this to a Jew in regards to God Almighty or any Christian who says that Jehovah/Yahweh/Elohim is God because that is true but they know that God's Christ is not God HIMSELF, it wouldn't even make sense calling a high priest “God” if the mediator IS God how can he interceed?
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,13:47) All arabic people are not Muslim and not all Muslims are well versed regarding the Quran just like many Christians have no idea what's in the Bible. In-fact the Quran even says this:
The arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #97)Certain of the desert arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #101)we see this all the time with the terrorist that blow up places of worship and kill innocent people it has already been written in the Quran, Allah is well aware of what they do.
The only time a Muslim will say that it is not the same God is if you say that Jesus is God because they know that Jesus is not God but they will not say this to a Jew in regards to God Almighty or any Christian who says that Jehovah/Yahweh/Elohim is God because that is true but they know that God's Christ is not God HIMSELF, it wouldn't even make sense calling a high priest “God” if the mediator IS God how can he interceed?
Hi BD,1 John 2:22
New Text Corrupt=222
'book of fraud'=114
71=Babylon=quran=711 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that “Jesus”=74 is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth [God The Father=117] and the [God Son=74].Click here <– Fourth Post down
Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,15:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,13:47) All arabic people are not Muslim and not all Muslims are well versed regarding the Quran just like many Christians have no idea what's in the Bible. In-fact the Quran even says this:
The arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #97)Certain of the desert arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #101)we see this all the time with the terrorist that blow up places of worship and kill innocent people it has already been written in the Quran, Allah is well aware of what they do.
The only time a Muslim will say that it is not the same God is if you say that Jesus is God because they know that Jesus is not God but they will not say this to a Jew in regards to God Almighty or any Christian who says that Jehovah/Yahweh/Elohim is God because that is true but they know that God's Christ is not God HIMSELF, it wouldn't even make sense calling a high priest “God” if the mediator IS God how can he interceed?
Hi BD,1 John 2:22
New Text Corrupt=222
'book of fraud'=114
71=Babylon=quran=711 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that “Jesus”=74 is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth [God The Father=117] and the [God Son=74].Click here <– Fourth Post down
Jesus IS THE CHRISTQuote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,15:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,13:47) All arabic people are not Muslim and not all Muslims are well versed regarding the Quran just like many Christians have no idea what's in the Bible. In-fact the Quran even says this:
The arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #97)Certain of the desert arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #101)we see this all the time with the terrorist that blow up places of worship and kill innocent people it has already been written in the Quran, Allah is well aware of what they do.
The only time a Muslim will say that it is not the same God is if you say that Jesus is God because they know that Jesus is not God but they will not say this to a Jew in regards to God Almighty or any Christian who says that Jehovah/Yahweh/Elohim is God because that is true but they know that God's Christ is not God HIMSELF, it wouldn't even make sense calling a high priest “God” if the mediator IS God how can he interceed?
Hi BD,1 John 2:22
New Text Corrupt=222
'book of fraud'=114
71=Babylon=quran=711 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that “Jesus”=74 is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth [God The Father=117] and the [God Son=74].Click here <– Fourth Post down
Jesus IS THE CHRISTQuote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,15:20) Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,15:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,13:47) All arabic people are not Muslim and not all Muslims are well versed regarding the Quran just like many Christians have no idea what's in the Bible. In-fact the Quran even says this:
The arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #97)Certain of the desert arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #101)we see this all the time with the terrorist that blow up places of worship and kill innocent people it has already been written in the Quran, Allah is well aware of what they do.
The only time a Muslim will say that it is not the same God is if you say that Jesus is God because they know that Jesus is not God but they will not say this to a Jew in regards to God Almighty or any Christian who says that Jehovah/Yahweh/Elohim is God because that is true but they know that God's Christ is not God HIMSELF, it wouldn't even make sense calling a high priest “God” if the mediator IS God how can he interceed?
Hi BD,1 John 2:22
New Text Corrupt=222
'book of fraud'=114
71=Babylon=quran=711 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that “Jesus”=74 is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth [God The Father=117] and the [God Son=74].Click here <– Fourth Post down
Jesus IS THE CHRIST
Hi BD,1John 2:22 …He is antichrist, that denieth [God The Father=117] and the [God Son=74].
This is the reason you have the 'spirit' of antichrist' in you; is because
you deny both that “God has a Son” and The “God Son”. (John 3:16)“Jesus is Lord”=151 is because
“Holy Spirit”=151(Jesus' Father) is…
“The LORD JEHOVAH”=151Your brother,
in “Christ, Jesus”=151!
This is the “Bible Truth” you reject; don't you?Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,15:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,15:20) Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,15:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,13:47) All arabic people are not Muslim and not all Muslims are well versed regarding the Quran just like many Christians have no idea what's in the Bible. In-fact the Quran even says this:
The arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #97)Certain of the desert arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #101)we see this all the time with the terrorist that blow up places of worship and kill innocent people it has already been written in the Quran, Allah is well aware of what they do.
The only time a Muslim will say that it is not the same God is if you say that Jesus is God because they know that Jesus is not God but they will not say this to a Jew in regards to God Almighty or any Christian who says that Jehovah/Yahweh/Elohim is God because that is true but they know that God's Christ is not God HIMSELF, it wouldn't even make sense calling a high priest “God” if the mediator IS God how can he interceed?
Hi BD,1 John 2:22
New Text Corrupt=222
'book of fraud'=114
71=Babylon=quran=711 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that “Jesus”=74 is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth [God The Father=117] and the [God Son=74].Click here <– Fourth Post down
Jesus IS THE CHRIST
Hi BD,1John 2:22 …He is antichrist, that denieth [God The Father=117] and the [God Son=74].
This is the reason you have the 'spirit' of antichrist' in you; is because
you deny both that “God has a Son” and The “God Son”. (John 3:16)“Jesus is Lord”=151 is because
“Holy Spirit”=151(Jesus' Father) is…
“The LORD JEHOVAH”=151Your brother,
in “Christ, Jesus”=151!
This is the “Bible Truth” you reject; don't you?
You should really read the Bible, not just the parts you like.To say someone is like a Father or like a son does not mena these are physical realities and it is this abuse of beautiful metaphor and poetry that causes foolish doctrine
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2010,05:34) Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,15:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,15:20) Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,15:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,13:47) All arabic people are not Muslim and not all Muslims are well versed regarding the Quran just like many Christians have no idea what's in the Bible. In-fact the Quran even says this:
The arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #97)Certain of the desert arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #101)we see this all the time with the terrorist that blow up places of worship and kill innocent people it has already been written in the Quran, Allah is well aware of what they do.
The only time a Muslim will say that it is not the same God is if you say that Jesus is God because they know that Jesus is not God but they will not say this to a Jew in regards to God Almighty or any Christian who says that Jehovah/Yahweh/Elohim is God because that is true but they know that God's Christ is not God HIMSELF, it wouldn't even make sense calling a high priest “God” if the mediator IS God how can he interceed?
Hi BD,1 John 2:22
New Text Corrupt=222
'book of fraud'=114
71=Babylon=quran=711 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that “Jesus”=74 is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth [God The Father=117] and the [God Son=74].Click here <– Fourth Post down
Jesus IS THE CHRIST
Hi BD,1John 2:22 …He is antichrist, that denieth [God The Father=117] and the [God Son=74].
This is the reason you have the 'spirit' of antichrist' in you; is because
you deny both that “God has a Son” and The “God Son”. (John 3:16)“Jesus is Lord”=151 is because
“Holy Spirit”=151(Jesus' Father) is…
“The LORD JEHOVAH”=151Your brother,
in “Christ, Jesus”=151!
This is the “Bible Truth” you reject; don't you?
You should really read the Bible, not just the parts you like.To say someone is like a Father or like a son does not mena these are physical realities and it is this abuse of beautiful metaphor and poetry that causes foolish doctrine
Hi Bd,I did read the entire Bible through at least 4 times now.
And the more important parts more than 40 times each.The bible doesn't say Jesus is 'like' a son;
It's Plain Jesus is “THE SON OF GOD”!
Did you ever read the entire bible?
This is what the 'book of fraud'
has taught you to reject; NO?Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2010,00:59) Hi Bd, I did read the entire Bible through at least 4 times now.
And the more important parts more than 40 times each.The bible doesn't say Jesus is 'like' a son;
It's Plain Jesus is “THE SON OF GOD”!
Did you ever read the entire bible?
This is what the 'book of fraud'
has taught you to reject; NO?Ed J
Well, then all the others that are called the son of God are the son of God including Adam and the Angels.The Bible doesn't say that Adam is “like” a son it says plainly that Adam is the son of God its in his geneology
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2010,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2010,00:59) Hi Bd, I did read the entire Bible through at least 4 times now.
And the more important parts more than 40 times each.The bible doesn't say Jesus is 'like' a son;
It's Plain Jesus is “THE SON OF GOD”!
Did you ever read the entire bible?
This is what the 'book of fraud'
has taught you to reject; NO?Ed J
Well, then all the others that are called the son of God are the son of God including Adam and the Angels.The Bible doesn't say that Adam is “like” a son it says plainly that Adam is the son of God its in his geneology
Hi BD,1Cor.15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam (Son of God) was made
a living soul; the last Adam (Jesus Christ) was made a quickening spirit.
1Cor.15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.God's image
Gen:1:27: So God created man in his own image…
Gen:5:3: And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years,
and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:1Cor.4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world(BD's god) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.Yet this is the image you worship…
Rev.13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the (Adam) beast, that the image of the beast
should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2010,04:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2010,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2010,00:59) Hi Bd, I did read the entire Bible through at least 4 times now.
And the more important parts more than 40 times each.The bible doesn't say Jesus is 'like' a son;
It's Plain Jesus is “THE SON OF GOD”!
Did you ever read the entire bible?
This is what the 'book of fraud'
has taught you to reject; NO?Ed J
Well, then all the others that are called the son of God are the son of God including Adam and the Angels.The Bible doesn't say that Adam is “like” a son it says plainly that Adam is the son of God its in his geneology
Hi BD,1Cor.15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam (Son of God) was made
a living soul; the last Adam (Jesus Christ) was made a quickening spirit.
1Cor.15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.God's image
Gen:1:27: So God created man in his own image…
Gen:5:3: And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years,
and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:1Cor.4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world(BD's god) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.Yet this is the image you worship…
Rev.13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the (Adam) beast, that the image of the beast
should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.Ed J
So Adam is the beast now? If so why are you calling the son of God a beast?Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2010,04:26) 1) So Adam is the beast now? 2) If so why are you calling the son of God a beast?
Hi BD,1) 1Cor.15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
2) That's what you are trying to do to Jesus Christ; you see your reflection again! (Psalm 18:25-27)
Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2010,04:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2010,04:26) 1) So Adam is the beast now? 2) If so why are you calling the son of God a beast?
Hi BD,1) 1Cor.15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
2) That's what you are trying to do to Jesus Christ; you see your reflection again! (Psalm 18:25-27)
Ed J
You are so misguided Adam repented to God and was forgivenQuote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2010,10:11) Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2010,04:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2010,04:26) 1) So Adam is the beast now? 2) If so why are you calling the son of God a beast?
Hi BD,1) 1Cor.15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
2) That's what you are trying to do to Jesus Christ; you see your reflection again! (Psalm 18:25-27)
Ed J
You are so misguided Adam repented to God and was forgivenI will let SF speak in my behalf…
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 11 2010,21:10)
This is the second time you have done this, first you make a diversion from the orginal question
by stating something else that has nothing to do with the conversation.
.Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,13:47) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 14 2010,12:17) Bod, You know bod,
I have family that had to go to Iraq.
And when they returned they told me many things.The strange thing is that the Arabics of Iraq would disagree with you. Many of the things you have said would be disagreed by many Iraqi's. Of course i cant say all of them
you said earlier that no Muslim would agree that the God of the bible and the quran were different. I spoke to some people and it seems your claim is invalid. actually they claim a huge difference, and even have no respect for most “americans” culture and religion because they act. which i dont blame them.
The central question over there is not what religion are you from, its what God do you worship.
The arguements you have presented have got me thinking alot, because other muslims out of the USA have not ever stated that they are the same God. or at least that the bible is valid.
Anyways. I even spoke to a muslim once who stated ” I dont believe that my sister has never sinned.”
I dont believe all muslims agree with you.
All arabic people are not Muslim and not all Muslims are well versed regarding the Quran just like many Christians have no idea what's in the Bible.In-fact the Quran even says this:
The arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #97)Certain of the desert arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #101)we see this all the time with the terrorist that blow up places of worship and kill innocent people it has already been written in the Quran, Allah is well aware of what they do.
The only time a Muslim will say that it is not the same God is if you say that Jesus is God because they know that Jesus is not God but they will not say this to a Jew in regards to God Almighty or any Christian who says that Jehovah/Yahweh/Elohim is God because that is true but they know that God's Christ is not God HIMSELF, it wouldn't even make sense calling a high priest “God” if the mediator IS God how can he interceed?
I didnt say all arabic people im talking about specfic muslims bod. I believe that muslim people know more about the Quran than the average christian. I unlike other people have much respect for Muslims, even though i strongly disagree.amazing, you accused me for dismissing arab christians when you are actually dismissing the arab people.
ARe you even arab? arnt you american?
Who is talking abuot terrorist here? untopical.
Calling Jesus God is a different subject. The same Son of God that has more pontential than mohammed ever had.
For God to be a mediator there was a need of a virgen birth, Jesus christ being full man, yet full God.
no difference, even most anti-trinitarians believe that Jesus christ is full man yet also full God,
God begotting God (which i disagree with making God sound asexual)
what they question is whether he was begotten, or how other trinitarians say that he is God.God wants to be our everything. the center of our lives. our God, lord, master, father, mother, brother, sister, friend, counselor, guide, mediator. our everything.
Thats the concept i focus on.
back to the orginal subject, as you always go off topic.
Main topic:
1)Again i will say that Not all Muslims would agree with you, speacialy the scholars and people from the middle-east.
2)There are muslims who actually believe that they have the ability not to sin ever.Okay back to the main topic:
1)Again i will say that Not all Muslims would agree with you, speacialy the scholars and people from the middle-east.
Answer: You may be correct but I don't have issue with it
2)There are muslims who actually believe that they have the ability not to sin ever.
Answer: You may be correct but I also have no issue with it but I can say ED believes that he does not sin and he is a Christian
bod,
2)let me state this again, there are muslims who believed that have nevered sinned. thats a problem.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,09:44) bod, 2)let me state this again, there are muslims who believed that have nevered sinned. thats a problem.
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18
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