Quran vs the bible

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2010,20:55)

Quote (Ed J @ June 23 2010,12:51) HI BD,                   Lucifer liar = 114 (2Cor.11:14)                     quran false = 114 (Gal.1:8) Why do you BD follow Lucirer's lie? The Bible says unequivocally concerning the Gospel… Matt.12:39-40 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah: For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Luke 16:30-31) Matt.12:39-40 clearly refers to the Gospel! Something the 'book of fraud'=114 denies. . .                       'The Beast: allah'=114 Rev.13:1-6 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (allah) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (Click here) .

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                             Devil is allah=114

2Cor.4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom 'the god' of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God(YHVH), should shine unto them.
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[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ June 25 2010,09:23)

Bod, “This good news of the coming kingdom will be preached as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come” It is announced, it has gone around the entire world, all have recieved that announcment, soon the end will come, according to what I read. God is able to keep his word safe, why would it not say that it will be announced and God would not keep it true?   They found writtings in the caves and it matched what we have today. I believe all God has shown me. If it is lies as you say, then how can I be judged on that? But only what I trust is true. You choose to believe something that came later. God has a Son in my Bible, God doesnt in your book. God is Heavenly Father in my bible, God isnt a Father to anyone in yours. Gods Son was crucified in my Bible, He wasnt in yours. My God is love, yours tortures people eternally in hot fire, boiling fat and all the rest. Jesus in my bible has a name above all other names, in your book He doesnt. Well, you've studied both, so its your choice what to believe.

Well, the fact is you will be judged according to your works. The fact is “your Bible” says what is says but The Quran also says what it says.

Many of these things have been explained to you just as the Gospel was explained to the Jews and yet you refuse to believe, the fact is if you really don't understand perhaps you will only be judged in that way but if you do know and do realize but still practice what you know wrong you will be judged for that too.

Jesus clearly talked about those in hell as being outside the gates where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Is this true or false?

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

Jesus is in the “HolyCity=117; why don't you Join him and stop lying about “The Bible”? (Rev.22:18-19)
Rev. 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the [HolyCity=117]. For without are dogs, and sorcerers,
and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

                            “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], and
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2010,23:37)

SimplyForgiven,June wrote: [/quote] Quote Hi Bod, An Observation about you, I have realized that Ed J does not at times directly answer questions.  But you in the other hand, for every point that we make, you ask a question abut the point or change the subject, If the point made is valid then the question asked by me would be equally as valid if it follows the same line of reasoning Quote lets say You and I are debating about the Skys color, i say its muliple colors, you say its only one color, but a variations of it, i say your wrong for this reason, you say that jew over there doesnt believe me either, therefore you are right. This example is tainted by inserting a religious connotation to it Quote This an error.   This is the second time you have done this, first you make a diversion from the orginal question by stating something else that has nothing to do with the conversation. There was no diversion from the original question at all in-fact the original question was expanded to clarify that the Bible is not a Completely Christian work at all Quote For example, i say i dont believe in allah, you mention the christians who call God allah due to language as a point, which is invalid. Of course the point is valid if ALLAH is the name of God in their Christian Arab and Jewish Arab Bibles, it is not right to invalidate a people based on their language and I am sure you will agree. If you do agree then you do believe in ALLAH and would have to believe in ALLAH is Elohim/YHVH you would have to at least admit and believe this to be true according to the usage by such Arab Christians and Arab Jews, either that or you attempt to invalidate or belittle those brothers and sisters. Quote We say that the Quran cannot be validated without the bible, you say the Jews dont believe in the NT. What I said and was guided to say by The Holy Spirit was you do to the Muslim what the Jew does to the Christian. Christianity has validated itself by binding its text and bibliography to the text and bibliography to what they call the “Old Testament” which Jews do not call the OLD TESTAMENT at all in doing this Christianity has had to suggest that Judaism should have passed into Christianity becoming “NEW” and since this is the case it is also true that the Quran seals the two together and clarifies the misconceptions in both binding them all together like a 3 fold chord Ecclesiastes 4:12 (King James Version) 12And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken. Quote This is a horrible defense once everyone see's it for what it is, a diversion, a plot to stir away from the point. I have only continuously clarified the point I was making that there is ONE GOD and from Genesis to the Quran it is one progressive revelation Quote this is the basis, I say your wrong, you say im wrong, we both disagree, i bring up a point, either refute to disagree or dont if you agree.  dont bring up something that has nothing to do with the current point and make a circle of questions and points that are full of nonsense.  this is a fallacy, or a great error within discussions. If I am getting the impression that you don't understand the point I'm making, questions can resolve and clarify what I understand about how you are considering my view and because of that I can adjust the information I am giving you more to suit your understanding. Quote With much respect, if we are to discuss, discuss. Lets say the bible didnt exist, could the Quran uphold on its own? Yes, because it is complete information in a SINGLE book of the entire History of God and man there is no other SINGLE book like it Quote The bible cannot exist without the OT, I do agree its a collection of books, of those who have testimony about the current event. Exactly there is no other SINGLE book beside the Quran where a person can learn in detail about Adam, Abraham, Moses, John the Baptist, Mary and  Jesus There is no single book that discusses Judaism, Christianity including trinity and Oneness doctrine, Mary worship, Pre Judaism and the fact that Abraham, Noah, Adam and others were not Jews at all This one Single Book that speaks of Gabriel and Michael The One single book that shows both the wrath of God and the great Mercuy of God One single book that speaks about the beginning as much as the end. Now I'm not talking about 66 or 73 books, I'm talking about ONE SINGLE BOOK of 114 chapters. There is nothing like it in the entire World and that is because it is from GOD ALMIGHTY, your GOD and my GOD

Bod,
I have realized i never responded back to this response.

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If the point made is valid then the question asked by me would be equally as valid if it follows the same line of reasoning

No thats called diverting brother,

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This example is tainted by inserting a religious connotation to it

No, this is tryin to divert yourself from answering the question or refuting the point directly.

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There was no diversion from the original question at all in-fact the original question was expanded to clarify that the Bible is not a Completely Christian work at all

Just because i agree that its a collection of Books, does not mean thats the same of the Quran. Each Writer was specfic witness to his time, and place, and each book was put togethor as a collection of Gods inspired word. The Quran according to you is teh recitation of events taht Mohamemd had no expeirence of, so therefore cannot be legit.

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Of course the point is valid if ALLAH is the name of God in their Christian Arab and Jewish Arab Bibles, it is not right to invalidate a people based on their language and I am sure you will agree. If you do agree then you do believe in ALLAH and would have to believe in ALLAH is Elohim/YHVH you would have to at least admit and believe this to be true according to the usage by such Arab Christians and Arab Jews, either that or you attempt to invalidate or belittle those brothers and sisters.

You cant change intent of words vs costumes in langauge. I have said that I do not believe in the Allah of the Quran, not the usage for common language in arabic. I never belittled anyone. i already proven this before. even though this repsonse is late.

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What I said and was guided to say by The Holy Spirit was you do to the Muslim what the Jew does to the Christian. Christianity has validated itself by binding its text and bibliography to the text and bibliography to what they call the “Old Testament” which Jews do not call the OLD TESTAMENT at all in doing this Christianity has had to suggest that Judaism should have passed into Christianity becoming “NEW” and since this is the case it is also true that the Quran seals the two together and clarifies the misconceptions in both binding them all together like a 3 fold chord Ecclesiastes 4:12 (King James Version) 12And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

First of all, Thats not the case with Jews. There are jews who do believe in Christ. Second It was never about binding, it was the gospel after JEsus, these are events that have taken after.

The Quran is niether of those.
Ecclesiastes 4:12 THIS HAS NOTHIGN TO DO WITH WITH BIBLICAL TEXT!

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I have only continuously clarified the point I was making that there is ONE GOD and from Genesis to the Quran it is one progressive revelation

I belive there is ONE God, but this God is not the God of the Quran.

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If I am getting the impression that you don't understand the point I'm making, questions can resolve and clarify what I understand about how you are considering my view and because of that I can adjust the information I am giving you more to suit your understanding.

na you love running in circles

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Yes, because it is complete information in a SINGLE book of the entire History of God and man there is no other SINGLE book like it

lies your Text in the Quran states that you must READ FROM BOTH BOOKS in order to interpret Gods will. and its incompelete because it does not have many details nor stories that the bible does have.

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Exactly there is no other SINGLE book beside the Quran where a person can learn in detail about Adam, Abraham, Moses, John the Baptist, Mary and Jesus There is no single book that discusses Judaism, Christianity including trinity and Oneness doctrine, Mary worship, Pre Judaism and the fact that Abraham, Noah, Adam and others were not Jews at all This one Single Book that speaks of Gabriel and Michael The One single book that shows both the wrath of God and the great Mercuy of God One single book that speaks about the beginning as much as the end. Now I'm not talking about 66 or 73 books, I'm talking about ONE SINGLE BOOK of 114 chapters. There is nothing like it in the entire World and that is because it is from GOD ALMIGHTY, your GOD and my GOD

lol this one single BOOK is BASED ON THE BIBLE! ALL TAKEN FROM THE BIBLE!! it was all STOLEN from the bible! God SHOULD SUE FOR COPY RIGHT VIOLATIONS OR FRUAD!
and it writtten like 100 YEARS LATER,

hmmm

[bodhitharta]

God's Word is God's Word

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2010,09:55)

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2010,20:55) Quote (Ed J @ June 23 2010,12:51) HI BD,                   Lucifer liar = 114 (2Cor.11:14)                     quran false = 114 (Gal.1:8) Why do you BD follow Lucirer's lie? The Bible says unequivocally concerning the Gospel… Matt.12:39-40 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah: For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Luke 16:30-31) Matt.12:39-40 clearly refers to the Gospel! Something the 'book of fraud'=114 denies. . .                       'The Beast: allah'=114 Rev.13:1-6 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (allah) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (Click here) . .                              Devil is allah=114 2Cor.4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom 'the god' of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God(YHVH), should shine unto them. .

You see I don't bother to try to play dirty politics if a person wants to understand Islam or know what is in the Quran it is better to simply preach the truth about it. I don't have a desire to say negative things about Christians as if those negative things are condoned by the Bible and think for a minute what could I say about many of those who have been homosexual pastors or child molesting priests or the vastly high number of fornication and adultery but I will say that this is sin not Christianity it is sin. Likewise if a Muslim is sinning then it is sin not Islam

[Ed J]

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[bodhitharta]

Why would the OP be the Quran vs The Bible and not the Quran confirms the Bible?

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,05:43)

Why would the OP be the Quran vs The Bible and not the Quran confirms the Bible?

Because it doesnt
Obvio senor

Question does the Quran say one must read the bible/pentauch?
Does Mohammed teach that?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,17:02)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,05:43) Why would the OP be the Quran vs The Bible and not the Quran confirms the Bible? Because it doesnt Obvio senor Question does the Quran say one must read the bible/pentauch? Does Mohammed teach that?

No but the reading of the Quran makes reading the Bible appealing so therefore Most average Muslims will know the Bible more than an average Christian

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 02 2010,00:22)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,17:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,05:43) Why would the OP be the Quran vs The Bible and not the Quran confirms the Bible? Because it doesnt Obvio senor Question does the Quran say one must read the bible/pentauch? Does Mohammed teach that? No but the reading of the Quran makes reading the Bible appealing so therefore Most average Muslims will know the Bible more than an average Christian

bod

a average christian knows more about the bible than ever learned in 20 years,

you are circumcised i guess,and do not eat pork,why??

Pierre

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2010,09:13)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 02 2010,00:22) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,17:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,05:43) Why would the OP be the Quran vs The Bible and not the Quran confirms the Bible? Because it doesnt Obvio senor Question does the Quran say one must read the bible/pentauch? Does Mohammed teach that? No but the reading of the Quran makes reading the Bible appealing so therefore Most average Muslims will know the Bible more than an average Christian bod a average christian knows more about the bible than ever learned in 20 years, you are circumcised i guess,and do not eat pork,why?? Pierre

Jesus was circumcised and did not eat pork

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 02 2010,20:51)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2010,09:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 02 2010,00:22) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,17:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,05:43) Why would the OP be the Quran vs The Bible and not the Quran confirms the Bible? Because it doesnt Obvio senor Question does the Quran say one must read the bible/pentauch? Does Mohammed teach that? No but the reading of the Quran makes reading the Bible appealing so therefore Most average Muslims will know the Bible more than an average Christian bod a average christian knows more about the bible than ever learned in 20 years, you are circumcised i guess,and do not eat pork,why?? Pierre Jesus was circumcised and did not eat pork

bod

you must be glad ,if you are circumcised,and don't eat pork,

so you believe that it is more important not to eat pork ,than killing and murdering people,???

you think that it is more important to be circumcised than obey Jesus commandments only two.??

Pierre

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2010,16:23)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 02 2010,20:51) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2010,09:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 02 2010,00:22) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,17:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,05:43) Why would the OP be the Quran vs The Bible and not the Quran confirms the Bible? Because it doesnt Obvio senor Question does the Quran say one must read the bible/pentauch? Does Mohammed teach that? No but the reading of the Quran makes reading the Bible appealing so therefore Most average Muslims will know the Bible more than an average Christian bod a average christian knows more about the bible than ever learned in 20 years, you are circumcised i guess,and do not eat pork,why?? Pierre Jesus was circumcised and did not eat pork bod you must be glad ,if you are circumcised,and don't eat pork, so you believe that it is more important not to eat pork ,than killing and murdering people,??? you think that it is more important to be circumcised than obey Jesus commandments only two.?? Pierre

You have missed the point again, I have never condoned murder I have condoned defending others at all cost and God in the Bible has also condoned fighting against opression which often includes killing those who are the opressors. Don't you think it was needed to go to war to stop Saddam Hussein who was even killing his own people without concern? Do you believe we all should have turned the other way when 6,000,000 were killed in WW2 in-fact think about it didn't we turn away too long? How is it 6,000,000 people get killed without anyone preventing it until it reached that point.

Do you endorse slavery or was it good that some stood up and even lost their lives fighting against it?

[bodhitharta]

violence

[Ed J]

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                                   allah vs YHVH

Enjoy!

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 02 2010,23:38)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2010,16:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 02 2010,20:51) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2010,09:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 02 2010,00:22) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,17:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,05:43) Why would the OP be the Quran vs The Bible and not the Quran confirms the Bible? Because it doesnt Obvio senor Question does the Quran say one must read the bible/pentauch? Does Mohammed teach that? No but the reading of the Quran makes reading the Bible appealing so therefore Most average Muslims will know the Bible more than an average Christian bod a average christian knows more about the bible than ever learned in 20 years, you are circumcised i guess,and do not eat pork,why?? Pierre Jesus was circumcised and did not eat pork bod you must be glad ,if you are circumcised,and don't eat pork, so you believe that it is more important not to eat pork ,than killing and murdering people,??? you think that it is more important to be circumcised than obey Jesus commandments only two.?? Pierre You have missed the point again, I have never condoned murder I have condoned defending others at all cost and God in the Bible has also condoned fighting against opression which often includes killing those who are the opressors. Don't you think it was needed to go to war to stop Saddam Hussein who was even killing his own people without concern? Do you believe we all should have turned the other way when 6,000,000 were killed in WW2 in-fact think about it didn't we turn away too long? How is it 6,000,000 people get killed without anyone preventing it until it reached that point. Do you endorse slavery or was it good that some stood up and even lost their lives fighting against it?

bod

you do not know what you talking about

Pierre

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2010,11:16)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 02 2010,23:38) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2010,16:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 02 2010,20:51) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2010,09:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 02 2010,00:22) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,17:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,05:43) Why would the OP be the Quran vs The Bible and not the Quran confirms the Bible? Because it doesnt Obvio senor Question does the Quran say one must read the bible/pentauch? Does Mohammed teach that? No but the reading of the Quran makes reading the Bible appealing so therefore Most average Muslims will know the Bible more than an average Christian bod a average christian knows more about the bible than ever learned in 20 years, you are circumcised i guess,and do not eat pork,why?? Pierre Jesus was circumcised and did not eat pork bod you must be glad ,if you are circumcised,and don't eat pork, so you believe that it is more important not to eat pork ,than killing and murdering people,??? you think that it is more important to be circumcised than obey Jesus commandments only two.?? Pierre You have missed the point again, I have never condoned murder I have condoned defending others at all cost and God in the Bible has also condoned fighting against opression which often includes killing those who are the opressors. Don't you think it was needed to go to war to stop Saddam Hussein who was even killing his own people without concern? Do you believe we all should have turned the other way when 6,000,000 were killed in WW2 in-fact think about it didn't we turn away too long? How is it 6,000,000 people get killed without anyone preventing it until it reached that point. Do you endorse slavery or was it good that some stood up and even lost their lives fighting against it? bod you do not know what you talking about Pierre

So do you agree or disagree that violence is needed in some cases?

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