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Quote (2besee @ July 12 2013,08:34) Hi Bod. I have question for you:
Who do muslims say the Holy Spirit is?
I depends on the Context. Keep in mind that Angels are Spirits and they are also Holy, but God ca also givsomeon portions of Pure Spirit from himselfQuote (kerwin @ July 12 2013,11:35) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,03:54) Quote (kerwin @ July 12 2013,06:08) Ed J, Where do you come by the idea Elizabeth is the daughter of Aaron? Scripture states she is the cousin of Mary, who is the daughter of David. Elizabeth's husband is a son of Aaron.
No Kerwin, Elisabeth was of the daughters of Aaron – meaning her lineage was Levite.“A certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia:
and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron,
and her name was Elisabeth.” (Luke 1:5) And Elisabeth
was cousin to Mary(Luke 1:36), Jesus' biological Mother.Mary's Mother, who was a 100% Levite woman married Heli, who was of the tribe of Judah.
This makes Mary's lineage 50% Levite and 50% Judah. Making Jesus' lineage “Priest”, “King”,
and “Son of God”. Son of God because the HolySpirit was Jesus' Father. (Matt.1:18, Luke 1:35)
“Son of Man” as he had the lineage of Priest through Levi, and the lineage of King through David.Now to your question: Elizabeth was of the lineage of Aaron – thus she is called of the daughters of Aaron.
1Mary's Mother and Elizabeth's Mother were sisters (both Levites through Aaron, son of Levi).
Elizabeth's husband was also 100% Levite. For a Levitical Priest to serve in God's temple,
he “MUST* marry a woman who is 100% Levite. Confirming she is a daughter of Aaron.Therefore John the baptist was son of Aaron, while Jesus was son of David.
I hope you now understand the facts concerning their Earthly geologies.
Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
Ed J,So either 1she was the daughter of Mary's aunt or the relationship was more distant.
Hi Kerwin,1 That “IS” exactly what I said.
Ed J
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2013,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,08:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2013,16:09) ED you were wrong but I already know you will not concede, it's not your nature. No BD, it is the quran that has been proven wrong
and you will not concede even though you said you would…Quote (bodhitharta @ July 06 2013,14:10) If you are correct I will definitely be more than glad to concede… The “daughter of Amram”– the “sister of Arron”
makes 'the Mary of islam' THE WRONG MARY!Quote (quran @ Sura 3 35-36 ) 35:(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran(Amram) said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower! 36: And when she was
delivered she said: My Lord! Lo! I am delivered of a female – Allah knew best of what she was delivered –
the male is not as the female; and lo! I have named her Mary, and lo! I craveThy protection for her and for her offspring(Jesus called Isa) from Satan the outcast.
Quote (quran @ Sura 66 12) And Mary, daughter of 'Imran(Amram), whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit (conceiving Jesus called Isa).
And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.
Muhammad got THE WRONG MARY!Here is the biblical evidence proving what I say is correct:
“The sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari. And the sons of
Kohath; Amram, Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel. And the children
of Amram(Imran); Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam(Mary).” (1 Chronicles 6:1-3)Ed (witness)
The Quran refers to Mary as being from the “house of Amram”, which is a reference to Amram, the father of Moses (Musa), Aaron (Harun) and Miriam, through whom Mary descended. Mary is further called the “daughter of Amram”, which has again been interpreted to refer to her ancestor rather than her actual father, who is unnamed in the Quran, but to whom Christian tradition applies the name Joachim. Muslim scholars and commentators have seen the Quran's statement of Mary being a “daughter of Amram” as similar to the description of Elizabeth in the Gospel of Luke as being one of the “daughters of Aaron”; they interpret both of these phrases as referring to ancestral fathers, rather than literal fathers. Take note, however, that the Gospel of Luke only says Mary and Elizabeth are relatives. There is no phrase “the daughter of Aaron.” (Only Luke 1 mentions Elizabeth.)
Hi BD,It is good that you are willing to listen!
Mary's Mother's lineage does indeed go back to Arron,
son of Amram but it is not explicitly recorded.
BUT you are overlooking the problem.Mary, the mother of Jesus is a daughter of Aaron – NOT HIS SISTER – that is what makes the quran wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!
Do you NOW see the problem?
Ed (witness)
Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,13:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2013,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,08:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2013,16:09) ED you were wrong but I already know you will not concede, it's not your nature. No BD, it is the quran that has been proven wrong
and you will not concede even though you said you would…Quote (bodhitharta @ July 06 2013,14:10) If you are correct I will definitely be more than glad to concede… The “daughter of Amram”– the “sister of Arron”
makes 'the Mary of islam' THE WRONG MARY!Quote (quran @ Sura 3 35-36 ) 35:(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran(Amram) said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower! 36: And when she was
delivered she said: My Lord! Lo! I am delivered of a female – Allah knew best of what she was delivered –
the male is not as the female; and lo! I have named her Mary, and lo! I craveThy protection for her and for her offspring(Jesus called Isa) from Satan the outcast.
Quote (quran @ Sura 66 12) And Mary, daughter of 'Imran(Amram), whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit (conceiving Jesus called Isa).
And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.
Muhammad got THE WRONG MARY!Here is the biblical evidence proving what I say is correct:
“The sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari. And the sons of
Kohath; Amram, Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel. And the children
of Amram(Imran); Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam(Mary).” (1 Chronicles 6:1-3)Ed (witness)
The Quran refers to Mary as being from the “house of Amram”, which is a reference to Amram, the father of Moses (Musa), Aaron (Harun) and Miriam, through whom Mary descended. Mary is further called the “daughter of Amram”, which has again been interpreted to refer to her ancestor rather than her actual father, who is unnamed in the Quran, but to whom Christian tradition applies the name Joachim. Muslim scholars and commentators have seen the Quran's statement of Mary being a “daughter of Amram” as similar to the description of Elizabeth in the Gospel of Luke as being one of the “daughters of Aaron”; they interpret both of these phrases as referring to ancestral fathers, rather than literal fathers. Take note, however, that the Gospel of Luke only says Mary and Elizabeth are relatives. There is no phrase “the daughter of Aaron.” (Only Luke 1 mentions Elizabeth.)
Hi BD,It is good that you are willing to listen!
Mary's Mother's lineage does indeed go back to Arron,
son of Amram but it is not explicitly recorded.
BUT you are overlooking the problem.Mary, the mother of Jesus is a daughter of Aaron – NOT HIS SISTER – that is what makes the quran wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!
Do you NOW see the problem?
Ed (witness)
No, because Mary was CHOSEN like Aaron. She has a special positionQuote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2013,16:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,13:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2013,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,08:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2013,16:09) ED you were wrong but I already know you will not concede, it's not your nature. No BD, it is the quran that has been proven wrong
and you will not concede even though you said you would…Quote (bodhitharta @ July 06 2013,14:10) If you are correct I will definitely be more than glad to concede… The “daughter of Amram”– the “sister of Arron”
makes 'the Mary of islam' THE WRONG MARY!Quote (quran @ Sura 3 35-36 ) 35:(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran(Amram) said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower! 36: And when she was
delivered she said: My Lord! Lo! I am delivered of a female – Allah knew best of what she was delivered –
the male is not as the female; and lo! I have named her Mary, and lo! I craveThy protection for her and for her offspring(Jesus called Isa) from Satan the outcast.
Quote (quran @ Sura 66 12) And Mary, daughter of 'Imran(Amram), whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit (conceiving Jesus called Isa).
And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.
Muhammad got THE WRONG MARY!Here is the biblical evidence proving what I say is correct:
“The sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari. And the sons of
Kohath; Amram, Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel. And the children
of Amram(Imran); Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam(Mary).” (1 Chronicles 6:1-3)Ed (witness)
The Quran refers to Mary as being from the “house of Amram”, which is a reference to Amram, the father of Moses (Musa), Aaron (Harun) and Miriam, through whom Mary descended. Mary is further called the “daughter of Amram”, which has again been interpreted to refer to her ancestor rather than her actual father, who is unnamed in the Quran, but to whom Christian tradition applies the name Joachim. Muslim scholars and commentators have seen the Quran's statement of Mary being a “daughter of Amram” as similar to the description of Elizabeth in the Gospel of Luke as being one of the “daughters of Aaron”; they interpret both of these phrases as referring to ancestral fathers, rather than literal fathers. Take note, however, that the Gospel of Luke only says Mary and Elizabeth are relatives. There is no phrase “the daughter of Aaron.” (Only Luke 1 mentions Elizabeth.)
Hi BD,It is good that you are willing to listen!
Mary's Mother's lineage does indeed go back to Arron,
son of Amram but it is not explicitly recorded.
BUT you are overlooking the problem.Mary, the mother of Jesus is a daughter of Aaron – NOT HIS SISTER – that is what makes the quran wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!
Do you NOW see the problem?
Ed (witness)
No, because Mary was CHOSEN like Aaron. She has a special position
Hi BD,It is true that Mary the mother of Jesus was chosen as a special position – the Mother of Christ!
But Mary the sister of Aaron was not – MAKING THE quran WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!Ed
Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,08:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2013,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,08:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2013,16:09) ED you were wrong but I already know you will not concede, it's not your nature. No BD, it is the quran that has been proven wrong
and you will not concede even though you said you would…Quote (bodhitharta @ July 06 2013,14:10) If you are correct I will definitely be more than glad to concede… The “daughter of Amram”– the “sister of Arron”
makes 'the Mary of islam' THE WRONG MARY!Quote (quran @ Sura 3 35-36 ) 35:(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran(Amram) said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower! 36: And when she was
delivered she said: My Lord! Lo! I am delivered of a female – Allah knew best of what she was delivered –
the male is not as the female; and lo! I have named her Mary, and lo! I craveThy protection for her and for her offspring(Jesus called Isa) from Satan the outcast.
Quote (quran @ Sura 66 12) And Mary, daughter of 'Imran(Amram), whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit (conceiving Jesus called Isa).
And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.
Muhammad got THE WRONG MARY!Here is the biblical evidence proving what I say is correct:
“The sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari. And the sons of
Kohath; Amram, Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel. And the children
of Amram(Imran); Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam(Mary).” (1 Chronicles 6:1-3)Ed (witness)
The Quran refers to Mary as being from the “house of Amram”, which is a reference to Amram, the father of Moses (Musa), Aaron (Harun) and Miriam, through whom Mary descended. Mary is further called the “daughter of Amram”, which has again been interpreted to refer to her ancestor rather than her actual father, who is unnamed in the Quran, but to whom Christian tradition applies the name Joachim. Muslim scholars and commentators have seen the Quran's statement of Mary being a “daughter of Amram” as similar to the description of Elizabeth in the Gospel of Luke as being one of the “daughters of Aaron”; they interpret both of these phrases as referring to ancestral fathers, rather than literal fathers. Take note, however, that the Gospel of Luke only says Mary and Elizabeth are relatives. There is no phrase “the daughter of Aaron.” (Only Luke 1 mentions Elizabeth.)
Hi BD,It is good that you are willing to listen!
Mary's Mother's lineage does indeed go back to Arron,
son of Amram but it is not explicitly recorded.
BUT you are overlooking the problem.Mary, the mother of Jesus is a daughter of Aaron – NOT HIS SISTER – that is what makes the quran wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!
Do you NOW see the problem?
Ed (witness)
Ed,Mary, Jesus' mother, is a daughter of David as the linage in Luke is hers. The inheritance only goes through a woman when there is no male heir and she marries back into her own tribe.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2013,16:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,13:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2013,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,08:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2013,16:09) ED you were wrong but I already know you will not concede, it's not your nature. No BD, it is the quran that has been proven wrong
and you will not concede even though you said you would…Quote (bodhitharta @ July 06 2013,14:10) If you are correct I will definitely be more than glad to concede… The “daughter of Amram”– the “sister of Arron”
makes 'the Mary of islam' THE WRONG MARY!Quote (quran @ Sura 3 35-36 ) 35:(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran(Amram) said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower! 36: And when she was
delivered she said: My Lord! Lo! I am delivered of a female – Allah knew best of what she was delivered –
the male is not as the female; and lo! I have named her Mary, and lo! I craveThy protection for her and for her offspring(Jesus called Isa) from Satan the outcast.
Quote (quran @ Sura 66 12) And Mary, daughter of 'Imran(Amram), whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit (conceiving Jesus called Isa).
And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.
Muhammad got THE WRONG MARY!Here is the biblical evidence proving what I say is correct:
“The sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari. And the sons of
Kohath; Amram, Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel. And the children
of Amram(Imran); Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam(Mary).” (1 Chronicles 6:1-3)Ed (witness)
The Quran refers to Mary as being from the “house of Amram”, which is a reference to Amram, the father of Moses (Musa), Aaron (Harun) and Miriam, through whom Mary descended. Mary is further called the “daughter of Amram”, which has again been interpreted to refer to her ancestor rather than her actual father, who is unnamed in the Quran, but to whom Christian tradition applies the name Joachim. Muslim scholars and commentators have seen the Quran's statement of Mary being a “daughter of Amram” as similar to the description of Elizabeth in the Gospel of Luke as being one of the “daughters of Aaron”; they interpret both of these phrases as referring to ancestral fathers, rather than literal fathers. Take note, however, that the Gospel of Luke only says Mary and Elizabeth are relatives. There is no phrase “the daughter of Aaron.” (Only Luke 1 mentions Elizabeth.)
Hi BD,It is good that you are willing to listen!
Mary's Mother's lineage does indeed go back to Arron,
son of Amram but it is not explicitly recorded.
BUT you are overlooking the problem.Mary, the mother of Jesus is a daughter of Aaron – NOT HIS SISTER – that is what makes the quran wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!
Do you NOW see the problem?
Ed (witness)
No, because Mary was CHOSEN like Aaron. She has a special position
Hi BD,She may have a special place like Aaron, but that does NOT make her Aaron's sister.
Ed
Quote (kerwin @ July 13 2013,09:04) Ed, Mary, Jesus' mother, is a daughter of David as the linage in Luke is hers. The inheritance only goes through a woman when there is no male heir and she marries back into her own tribe.
Yes Kerwin,And that's why it is our custom that the female takes the males name in marriage.
Ed
Quote (Ed J @ July 13 2013,10:35) Quote (kerwin @ July 13 2013,09:04) Ed, Mary, Jesus' mother, is a daughter of David as the linage in Luke is hers. The inheritance only goes through a woman when there is no male heir and she marries back into her own tribe.
Yes Kerwin,And that's why it is our custom that the female takes the males name in marriage.
Ed
ED a long time ago I used to enlarge and color my text would that help you understand your position is weak?The Quran is not wrong an using an expression is not wrong it wasn't a listing of geneaology it was in response to the surprise of wht they saw, jut as hn Thomas said “My lord and My God” to Jesus. Do you think Thomas was really calling Jesus “God” as many believe he was?
ED
You claim Jesus returned at pentecost but that is completely wrong according to the scriptures a I will show you:
1 Corinthians 1:6-8
King James Version (KJV)
6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
These verses were long after theday of Pentecost and guess what ED they were waiting for the coming of Christ
So that is another one of your theories shot down, sorry.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 13 2013,11:02) ED a long time ago I used to enlarge and color my text would that help you understand your position is weak? The Quran is not wrong an using an expression is not wrong it wasn't a listing of geneaology it was in response to the surprise of wht they saw, jut as hn Thomas said “My lord and My God” to Jesus. Do you think Thomas was really calling Jesus “God” as many believe he was?
Hi BD,That is not relevant to this thread, but I will answer you anyways.
John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest;
and how can we know the way? (Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and
put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. John 20:25)John 10:38: But if I do, though ye believe not me,
believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.THOMAS THEREFORE BELIEVED THE WORKS! (John 20:29)
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me,
thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.2Cor.5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ,
reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing
their trespasses unto them(because of Christ); and hath
committed unto us (HolySpirit)”The Word” of reconciliation.Ed
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 13 2013,11:06) ED You claim Jesus returned at pentecost but that is completely wrong according to the scriptures a I will show you:
Hi BD,That is irrelevant to this thread as well. Are you
now attempting to throw up smoke-screens?Please try to stay on topic here. If that
is something “YOU” want to discuss,
put it on an appropriate thread.Ed
Quote (Ed J @ July 13 2013,11:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 13 2013,11:06) ED You claim Jesus returned at pentecost but that is completely wrong according to the scriptures a I will show you:
Hi BD,That is irrelevant to this thread as well. Are you
now attempting to throw up smoke-screens?Please try to stay on topic here. If that
is something “YOU” want to discuss,
put it on an appropriate thread.Ed
EDYou never stay on topic, you always hijack threads but it's funny when I catch you out there and you are startled because you have already been caught making so many errors in “This Thread” saying there was no hebrew expression for grand daughter or grand father.
I'm going to call you out and watch you run and squirm so your Father the Devil will know that a TRUE WITNESS of God is HERE. Praise be to GOD MOST HIGH!
Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:22) Astronomy and Biology – Muhammad got both of these wrong as well.
EDPlease stop being an IDIOT, this video like the others ARE STUPID an theypoint out Biblical misconceptions as well as Quranic misconceptions stop confucng allegory with the literal.
IF you do not stop I will continue to embarrass you.
Psalm 50:1
The Mighty One, God, the Lord, speaks and summons the earth from the rising of the sun to where it setsDoes the sun actually EVER rise? NO
Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:22) Astronomy and Biology – Muhammad got both of these wrong as well.
Where does the semen spring from during coitus?During coitus semen is ejaculated from the two storage areas called the seminal vesicles, and NOT FROM THE TESTICLES.
Let man look at (and bear in mind) the substance he is created from! (He is) created from the surging fluid, which springs from between the spine and the ribs! 86:5-7
What is definitely excluded is the scrotal pouch, which is below the spine! Semen does not spring from there during coitus!
Also excluded is the thorax, since it is not between the ribcage and the spine, but is rather inside the ribcage.
The area not excluded is the abdomen and the pelvic cavity! The Quran is 100% correct. Semen is stored in the seminal vesicles to be ejaculated during coitus.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 18 2013,14:48) Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:22) Astronomy and Biology – Muhammad got both of these wrong as well.
EDPlease stop being an IDIOT, this video like the others ARE STUPID an theypoint out Biblical misconceptions as well as Quranic misconceptions stop confucng allegory with the literal.
IF you do not stop I will continue to embarrass you.
Psalm 50:1
The Mighty One, God, the Lord, speaks and summons the earth from the rising of the sun to where it setsDoes the sun actually EVER rise? NO
Yes, it rises in the East and sets in the west.Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,15:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 18 2013,14:48) Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:22) Astronomy and Biology – Muhammad got both of these wrong as well.
EDPlease stop being an IDIOT, this video like the others ARE STUPID an theypoint out Biblical misconceptions as well as Quranic misconceptions stop confucng allegory with the literal.
IF you do not stop I will continue to embarrass you.
Psalm 50:1
The Mighty One, God, the Lord, speaks and summons the earth from the rising of the sun to where it setsDoes the sun actually EVER rise? NO
Yes, it rises in the East and sets in the west.
EDJust so you know, the term sunrise and sunset are descriptive terms of what we observe with our eyes in reality the Sun is not rising or setting the earth is simply spinning.
Although the Sun appears to “rise” from the horizon, it is actually the Earth's motion that causes the Sun to appear. The illusion of a moving Sun results from Earth observers being in a rotating reference frame;
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