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[journey42]

Mark 9:17   And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which has a dumb spirit;

Mark 9:18   And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him; and he foameth, and gnasheth with  his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.

Mark 9:19   He answered him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.

Mark 9:20   And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.

Mark 9:21   And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him?  And he said, Of a child.

Mark 9:22   And oftimes it has cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.

Mark 9:23   Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

Mark 9:24   And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine  unbelief.

Mark 9:25   When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter not more into  him.

Mark 9:26   And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.

Mark 9:27   But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up, and he arose.

Mark 9:28   And, when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why, could not we cast him out?

Can anyone with discernment please tell me why Christ's disciples could not cast out this particular spirit from the boy?

[seekingtruth]

journey42,
his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

Jesus was perpetually in a state of prayer and fasting.

Wm

[journey42]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Aug. 10 2012,13:21)

journey42, His disciples began questioning Him privately, “Why could we not drive it out?” 29 And He said to them, “This kind cannot come out by anything but prayer.” Jesus was perpetually in a state of prayer and fasting. Wm

Hi Seeking Truth,

Thanks for that, where does it say Jesus was in a perpetual state of fasting and prayer?  Jesus fasted for 40 days, that I know, and he would of fasted here and there, but everyday?

[journey42]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Aug. 10 2012,13:21)

journey42, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting. Jesus was perpetually in a state of prayer and fasting. Wm

Seeking,

Yes you are right by the way.
This type of deaf and dumb spirit can only come out by PRAYER & FASTING.
The two go together. This is the recipe for this type of spirit.

I'd like everybody to look into their different versions to see if that important word “Fasting” is included in the answer.
Or was it left out?

[kerwin]

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 10 2012,08:37)

Quote (seekingtruth @ Aug. 10 2012,13:21) journey42, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting. Jesus was perpetually in a state of prayer and fasting. Wm Seeking, Yes you are right by the way. This type of deaf and dumb spirit can only come out by PRAYER & FASTING. The two go together.  This is the recipe for this type of spirit. I'd like everybody to look into their different versions to see if that important word “Fasting” is included in the answer. Or was it left out?

Jouney,

Some manuscripts have “and fasting” and some do not. Some versions favor those that have the “and fasting” while others favor the ones that do not.

[seekingtruth]

journey42,
If Jesus said; “This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.” and He made IT come forth, than that is the “proof” that He had at least been in a state of prayer and fasting at that time.

No He did not go without food everyday, but I believe a fast can include denying self pleasantries, which can be achieved everyday.

My opinion – Wm

[journey42]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 10 2012,13:56)

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 10 2012,08:37) Quote (seekingtruth @ Aug. 10 2012,13:21) journey42, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting. Jesus was perpetually in a state of prayer and fasting. Wm Seeking, Yes you are right by the way. This type of deaf and dumb spirit can only come out by PRAYER & FASTING. The two go together.  This is the recipe for this type of spirit. I'd like everybody to look into their different versions to see if that important word “Fasting” is included in the answer. Or was it left out? Jouney, Some manuscripts have “and fasting” and some do not.  Some versions favor those that have the “and fasting” while others favor the ones that do not.

Hi Kerwin

Yes, take your pick?

[journey42]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Aug. 10 2012,14:12)

If Jesus said; “This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.” and He made IT come forth, than that is the “proof” that He had at least been in a state of prayer and fasting at that time. No He did not go without food everyday, but I believe a fast can include denying self pleasantries, which can be achieved everyday. My opinion – Wm

Hi Seeking Truth.  He may of been fasting?, but I can't find where it says that.
Jesus said this, for an example for us.  
Christ himself wouldn't need to fast for this.  He just commanded and they had to obey.  None to strong for him. We on the other hand need a little help.
Fasting is good and you are right.  Denying the flesh.
It shows God that we are desperate and serious about a matter, and I don't think we do it enough.

But…I'd like the others to tell me if the word “Fasting” is in their bibles. If not then why?

[seekingtruth]

journey42,
Personally I believe that Jesus came from Divine origin, but during His time on earth He was 100% human and had no special advantages over those around Him (if they could have had the faith He had) so I must stick by my original claim that If Jesus said; “This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.” He must have been in a state of prayer and fasting (but this is not a major issue in my opinion)

As to “Fasting” in this scripture the parallel bible had this note:
Scofield Reference Notes
Margin This
See, 1Ki 18:42-45 Acts 13:2 The two best MSS. omit “and fasting.” Cf. Mt 17:21

My opinion – Wm

[Ed J]

Hi Wm,

Any thoughts why the disciples cured illnesses and cast out demons in Jesus name,
while Jesus just commanded them to come out (presumably in his own name)?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 10 2012,12:46)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 10 2012,13:56) Jouney, Some manuscripts have “and fasting” and some do not.  Some versions favor those that have the “and fasting” while others favor the ones that do not. Hi Kerwin Yes, take your pick?

Journey,

The disciples did not fast as it was not their custom.  A custom Jesus himself defended against the accusation of the Pharisees.

Jesus had just been transfigured, but I see no mention of him either fasting or praying.

I have insignificant evidence to make a call, nor do I plan to cast out such a daemon.

[journey42]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 11 2012,19:37)

The disciples did not fast as it was not their custom.  A custom Jesus himself defended against the accusation of the Pharisees. Jesus had just been transfigured, but I see no mention of him either fasting or praying. I have insignificant evidence to make a call, nor do I plan to cast out such a daemon.

Hi Kerwin

Fasting was not a just a custom of the pharisees?

There's was a time when Jesus didn't want to sent the people away fasting (without food, hungry) more than once, but the disciples did fast. Any christian should know that there is power in fasting and prayer.

but here is some scriptures to ponder on

Acts 10:30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,

Acts 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

1 Corinthians 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

2 Corinthians 6:5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;

2 Corinthians 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

Thats ok that you don't want to cast out a bad spirit. But some try and with no luck, because this type of spirit can only come out by prayer and fasting. Not just prayer, or just commanding, but by prayer and fasting.

[seekingtruth]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2012,00:23)

Hi Wm, Any thoughts why the disciples cured illnesses and cast out demons in Jesus name, while Jesus just commanded them to come out (presumably in his own name)? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

But in the end they both received what they were seeking.

Wm

[journey42]

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 10 2012,13:04)

Mike

The NWT misses out by “Prayer and Fasting” in Mark 9:29.
This was the first mistake I found, and it really bothered me. A single word missing, is like leaving something out of the recipe. (Christ's instructions)

But I trust you already looked this up in your bible out of curiosity and know this already?

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 13 2012,11:18)

journey42,Aug. wrote: [/quote] Mike The NWT misses out by “Prayer and Fasting” in Mark 9:29. This was the first mistake I found, and it really bothered me.  A single word missing, is like leaving something out of the recipe. (Christ's instructions) But I trust you already looked this up in your bible out of curiosity and know this already?

j42

what are those scriptures telling us ?

Mk 2:18 Now John’s disciples and the Pharisees were fasting. Some people came and asked Jesus, “How is it that John’s disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees are fasting, but yours are not?”

[Marlin1]

MARK 16:17 † And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;

JOHN 14:12 † Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also;

I can testify to the fact that if you be truly born of the Spirit of God, then The signs will follow.
Now an intellectual understanding will do no good, just worshiping in VAIN, just like Cain.

For it is not man that cast out anything, it is God in man, by the Word, that cast out demons, heal the sick, raise the dead.

MATTHEW 17:20 † And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Whose faith, God's faith in man.
ROMANS 12:3 † ……………according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

And where does this faith come from
ROMANS 10:17 † So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
By the one and only TRUE REVEALED Word of God, everything else is just a lie of satan.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 13 2012,11:18)

journey42,Aug. wrote: [/quote] Mike The NWT misses out by “Prayer and Fasting” in Mark 9:29. This was the first mistake I found, and it really bothered me.  A single word missing, is like leaving something out of the recipe. (Christ's instructions) But I trust you already looked this up in your bible out of curiosity and know this already?

J42

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