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Quote (t8 @ June 02 2008,20:39) Quote (dirtyknections @ June 02 2008,16:43) Isa 1:18 …you made the comment, “faith is only real when its predicated on reality”…True…but the question becomes…”what is the reality of faith?” and “what is the reality of the scriptures” Simply put, the “reality” of the scriptures is clear:
The devils time as “ruler of the authority of the air” is fastly approaching its finish…Christ died for our sins and was resurrected and exalted..REPENT NOW…Christ now rules as King in Heaven…Gods kingdom is at hand….THAT's the REALITY of the scriptures…
Thats the “truth” that Christ taught..Thats the truth of the Gospels…and that truth predicated everything that Paul and the other new testament writers said…everything they said or did centered wround those simple “truths”..This prayer i say for you both”
Ephesians 3-14-19 (NWT)- 14 On account of this I bend my knees to the Father, 15 to whom every family in heaven and on earth owes its name, 16 to the end that he may grant YOU according to the riches of his glory to be made mighty in the man YOU are inside with power through his spirit, 17 to have the Christ dwell through [YOUR] faith in YOUR hearts with love; that YOU may be rooted and established on the foundation, 18 in order that YOU may be thoroughly able to grasp mentally with all the holy ones what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of the Christ which surpasses knowledge, that YOU may be filled with all the fullness that God gives.
We can argue you about who has the most “truth” or knowledge all night..but I CHoose to Believe in faith…
Remember as Paul said in verse 19 that, “the love of Christ surpasses all knowledge”…
So like I said before…Long as my brother believes those essential truths I mentioned…and they “believe in faith” and “live in Christ”…..I REJOICE
Amen DK.
Okay fellas, lets put it to the test….Let's say I believe “in faith” that there are ways to God that are not through Yeshua. Is it true?
Let's say I believe that the Yeshua described in the Bible is in fact a talking rhinoceros with a pink tutu, and I hold this “in faith”. Is what I believe truth?
I believe that truth is absolute and scripture points to it, but we see through the glass darkly and we all misinterpret it in part and miss an area of truth but as DK stated there are essential truths (I may not agree with his list but I could be the one wrong). Those having the essential truth are part of the body of Christ and have their role to play.
In my opinion – Wm
Hey seekingtruth…
I agree…I have never claimed to have absolute truth…but I do believe I have the “truth” necessary for salvation…
Hey Isa 1:18
Brother…although we disagree on this topic…I feel…based on the things that I have heard you say…that you also have whats needed for salvation….and hopefully thru Gods graces and underserved kindness, I will be found worthy by God to recieve salvation and come fully unto aboslute truth…I pray that you are there also..so I can hear you say, “see I told you”..lol
Quote (dirtyknections @ June 03 2008,22:13) Hey seekingtruth… I agree…I have never claimed to have absolute truth…but I do believe I have the “truth” necessary for salvation…
I wouldn't argue with that (actually I fully believe it).Wm
Hey DK,
So, been away for a bit. How are things?First, your name.
Quote David…before you draw..untrue conclusions as to what the name “dirtyknections” means…why not ask…honestly man…you are so worried about trying to “expose” me you ignore the obvious things about me…no matter what YOU deduce from a website that has my musical creations on…you can not come to an accurate conclusion unless you aske..ME..lol Sorry, I thought I did ask you a couple times:
Quote “Questions: First, your name???”–may 29 Mandy asked it too:
Quote “I have to ask – what does “dirtyknections” stand for?”–May 30 Your answer:
Quote “Thats the name of a music production company that i started….Everybody in these types of forums always ask, “are you sure you wanna be called that?” I agree with that question, “everybody” in these forums asked, so I asked again:
Quote “Still wondering about your name.”–May30 So, I did ask you. It’s the first thing I asked you. On your site, or on “dirtyconnections” site, the question is asked: Why the name? The response is, ‘Cause we Filthy.’ Maybe I should have asked you about that too. What’s with that? I understand that in the past the name may have made sense for you, but are you still “filthy” in the way that this name suggests? Is it appropriate for someone that represents the “holy, holy, holy,” Jehovah? These are my questions. I’ve asked them before. I now see that you have given a response to this question:
Quote “Let me quickly debunk Davids notions that my alias…”dirtyknections”… is somehow unchristian…
I myself am african-american…in my culture…the word “dirty”…especially among the younger generation…has a different meaning than whats normally deduced…”dirty” can mean: fresh, cool, fly,
Basically its a euphemism…”So the following is what, a lie or something?
“Why this name?
CUZ WE FIlthy
How, do you think, does the internet (or mp3) change the music industry?
MADE IT WORSE
Would you sign a record contract with a major label?
Yep”
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=518989You may want to change that website if it misrepresents the truth or if you are connected to it and bear Jehovah’s name. Because what it says is, your group is named that because you’re “Filthy.” Is Filthy also a euphemism? Does it mean “fresh, cool” as well? It’s true that dirty, filthy things are considered “cool” to much of today’s youth. Yes, you’re an african-american. It’s just I would have thought you’d consider yourself a Christian above any race.
I’m also wondering how you view stumbling others and if you have any idea of what the Bible says about stumbling such ones.
I mean, you continue to say ‘preaching to others’ is one of the criteria of others being a “brother” in your opinion. But I have to wonder what many would think if you went up to someone and said:
“I’m Dirty. Would you like to talk about God’s Kingdom?”Here’s a fun scripture:
“Let fornication and uncleanness of every kind or greediness not even be mentioned among you, just as it befits holy people, neither shameful conduct nor foolish talking nor obscene jesting, things which are not becoming, but rather the giving of thanks.”—Eph. 5:3,4; Col. 3:8.Just as it befits “holy people.” As you know, “Holy” is a fancy word for “clean.” Clean is the opposite of the word “dirty, filthy.”
“Unless you . . . utter speech easily understood, how will it be known what is being spoken? –1 Cor 14:9
To say that “dirty” is good, is “foolish talking,” is it not?
“Uncleanness of every kind” shouldn’t “even be mentioned among” us, yet, your name is “Dirty.” Do you see how people could be confused by this?
Yes, you're free to call yourself “Satan's peep's” if you like. But how does that help other people come to God through you? Wouldn't it send the wrong message, a confusing contradictory message? If “Everybody in these types of forums always ask, “are you sure you wanna be called that?”” why do you think that is, and does that tell you anything?Just wondering how you would respond to these scriptures?
david
Quote I stand by my statements on converting..Jesus did say, “go therefore and makes disciples”…but the fact of the matter is WE CAN NOT CONVERT ANYONE…all we can do is declare the things God has shown us and teach the ones who are interested in those things…. You are right in that we do not convert people. According to the dictionary, they convert themselves.
Here are some definitions from wordnet.princeton
# change the nature, purpose, or function of something;
# change religious beliefs, or adopt a religious belief; “She converted to Buddhism”
# change: exchange or replace with another, usually of the same kind or category;
# make (someone) agree, understand, or realize the truth or validity of something; “He had finally convinced several customers of the advantages of his product”
# a person who has been converted to another religious or political belief
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwnObviously, we do not “change a person's” religious beliefs. They do this themselves. Nor do we even “make (someone) agree, understand, or realize the truth or validity of something.”
But we do “make disciples.” We do not simply “declare” the good news as you say. True, we do this, but for those that listen, we answer question, we study, we “teach.” (mat 28:19,20) We make disciples, as Jesus “ordered.”
david
Quote (david @ June 04 2008,15:19) Hey DK,
So, been away for a bit. How are things?First, your name.
Quote David…before you draw..untrue conclusions as to what the name “dirtyknections” means…why not ask…honestly man…you are so worried about trying to “expose” me you ignore the obvious things about me…no matter what YOU deduce from a website that has my musical creations on…you can not come to an accurate conclusion unless you aske..ME..lol Sorry, I thought I did ask you a couple times:
Quote “Questions: First, your name???”–may 29 Mandy asked it too:
Quote “I have to ask – what does “dirtyknections” stand for?”–May 30 Your answer:
Quote “Thats the name of a music production company that i started….Everybody in these types of forums always ask, “are you sure you wanna be called that?” I agree with that question, “everybody” in these forums asked, so I asked again:
Quote “Still wondering about your name.”–May30 So, I did ask you. It’s the first thing I asked you. On your site, or on “dirtyconnections” site, the question is asked: Why the name? The response is, ‘Cause we Filthy.’ Maybe I should have asked you about that too. What’s with that? I understand that in the past the name may have made sense for you, but are you still “filthy” in the way that this name suggests? Is it appropriate for someone that represents the “holy, holy, holy,” Jehovah? These are my questions. I’ve asked them before. I now see that you have given a response to this question:
Quote “Let me quickly debunk Davids notions that my alias…”dirtyknections”… is somehow unchristian…
I myself am african-american…in my culture…the word “dirty”…especially among the younger generation…has a different meaning than whats normally deduced…”dirty” can mean: fresh, cool, fly,
Basically its a euphemism…”So the following is what, a lie or something?
“Why this name?
CUZ WE FIlthy
How, do you think, does the internet (or mp3) change the music industry?
MADE IT WORSE
Would you sign a record contract with a major label?
Yep”
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=518989You may want to change that website if it misrepresents the truth or if you are connected to it and bear Jehovah’s name. Because what it says is, your group is named that because you’re “Filthy.” Is Filthy also a euphemism? Does it mean “fresh, cool” as well? It’s true that dirty, filthy things are considered “cool” to much of today’s youth. Yes, you’re an african-american. It’s just I would have thought you’d consider yourself a Christian above any race.
I’m also wondering how you view stumbling others and if you have any idea of what the Bible says about stumbling such ones.
I mean, you continue to say ‘preaching to others’ is one of the criteria of others being a “brother” in your opinion. But I have to wonder what many would think if you went up to someone and said:
“I’m Dirty. Would you like to talk about God’s Kingdom?”Here’s a fun scripture:
“Let fornication and uncleanness of every kind or greediness not even be mentioned among you, just as it befits holy people, neither shameful conduct nor foolish talking nor obscene jesting, things which are not becoming, but rather the giving of thanks.”—Eph. 5:3,4; Col. 3:8.Just as it befits “holy people.” As you know, “Holy” is a fancy word for “clean.” Clean is the opposite of the word “dirty, filthy.”
“Unless you . . . utter speech easily understood, how will it be known what is being spoken? –1 Cor 14:9
To say that “dirty” is good, is “foolish talking,” is it not?
“Uncleanness of every kind” shouldn’t “even be mentioned among” us, yet, your name is “Dirty.” Do you see how people could be confused by this?
Yes, you're free to call yourself “Satan's peep's” if you like. But how does that help other people come to God through you? Wouldn't it send the wrong message, a confusing contradictory message? If “Everybody in these types of forums always ask, “are you sure you wanna be called that?”” why do you think that is, and does that tell you anything?Just wondering how you would respond to these scriptures?
david
Hi DK,
Obviously there are moral rules about names too!Quote Hi DK,
Obviously there are moral rules about names too!No rules about such things Nick. But as you know, or at least, should know, there are many principles about what is and what isn't the course of wisdom, and about “things which are not becoming.”–Eph 5:3,4
Quote So lemme clarify…JW have do indeed have the “truth”…remember…”truth'' is only truth to the one believing it…with that being said…everyone else on here has the “truth” also…God will judge you on your individual merits and “truth” you believe.. –DK.
I believe as Paul (aka Isaiah 1:18) says, that you are misunderstanding opinion with the truth.
Both can believe they have the truth, but if they conflict, one must, logically be wrong.
Example: Many on here believe in hellfire. Many do not. One group believes what the Bible teaches. One has misunderstood them.Perhaps if you could clarify further….
Hey david…
Brother…get off the name…its not imprtant…
Like I said you are right…if you believe in hellfire and I don't we both can't be right…I agree…what I am saying is that the absolute truth lies with God…and I don't think we can attain that right now… but I do think we can attain the ESSENTIAL truths necessary for salvation…
What are essential truths? Simply the gospel of Jesus
-You must Love God with wholesouled devotion
-You must love your neighbor
-Jesus is the messiah, he died for our sins, repent and take advantage now
-Gods kingdom is at hand
-Preach these things
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2008,17:08) Hi david,
Do you judge this man more harshly for any particular reason?
Nick…I think we know all know why he is saying the things he is saying…Its because I am JW who does not fit into the mold he would like to fit…
If I had come on here and said I was Baptist or something else he would not even be talking about “a screen name” nor would he be “googling” it to try to pull up “dirt”…
Its sad that he has yet to notice that I have yet to say anything misappropriate or unbecoming of a christian. I have only discussed scripture and have tried my best to be upbuilding…while speaking truth
David….your little crusade against me is pointless…if you notice you are the ONLY person that has asked me about my screen name since the first day….NOBODY cares…you make it “unchristian” nobody else does…
Lemme help you.. no David..I do not walk around calling myself “dirty”…my name is Gabriel Alexander…”dirtyknections” is a screen name I use on internet forums…You are the only person that I have ever met on these types of forums who has harped on my screen name…period…
You and everyone else knows that you are doing this because I am a JW who does not fall in line the way you do with Org..
David…I have a simple request…lets discuss the scriptures… you are giving a bad witness with this whole name thing… Did you see Mandy's reaction to your inquisition about who I was? EXACTLY…and you want to “counsel ME about stumbling someone…PLEase
Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Matthew 7:2 “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
Hey GAA.
Quote if you believe in hellfire and I don't we both can't be right…I agree…what I am saying is that the absolute truth lies with God If only there were some way that he communicated his thoughts to us.
I do get what you're saying. God knows the truth. People fight over what truth is. But I'm not of the opinion of Pilate who said to Jesus: “What is truth,” as if to say: Who can know truth? The Bible was written for a purpose.And as for the name, if it's not important, as you say, why keep it then, when so many people ask you about it, perhaps because they're bothered by it. I just think it's in bad taste and doesn't very well represent a Christian, who is to be clean. I also think it would tend to turn people away from the clean and holy message we are supposed to present. And, I think those scriptures I mentioned agree.
Quote David….your little crusade against me is pointless…if you notice you are the ONLY person that has asked me about my screen name since the first day….NOBODY cares.. Not exactly true.
Mandy:
“I have to ask – what does “dirtyknections” stand for?”–May 30You, yourself:
EVERYBODY in these types of forums always ask, “are you sure you wanna be called that?”–DirtyknectionsSo I'm not the “only” person who asked and you yourself said “everybody” always asks.
Quote I think we know all know why he is saying the things he is saying…Its because I am JW who does not fit into the mold he would like to fit…
No, it's because I'm not really certain you'll be considered a JW for very long.Quote Its sad that he has yet to notice that I have yet to say anything misappropriate or unbecoming of a christian.
I have noticed everything you've done and haven't done.Quote Lemme help you.. no David..I do not walk around calling myself “dirty”…my name is Gabriel Alexander…”dirtyknections” is a screen name I use on internet forums…You are the only person that I have ever met on these types of forums who has harped on my screen name…period…
Yes, I'm the only one who cares about those who represent Jehovah and how they choose to do so. I agree.Quote You and everyone else knows that you are doing this because I am a JW who does not fall in line the way you do with Org.. Could you comment on the scriptures I gave? Can you reason on this?
Quote David…I have a simple request…lets discuss the scriptures… you are giving a bad witness with this whole name thing…
Wow. That is exactly what I am saying of you. Did you read those scriptures?
But if you wish not to discuss those scriptures, and I would understand that, fine, I'll move on.Quote Did you see Mandy's reaction to your inquisition about who I was? EXACTLY…and you want to “counsel ME about stumbling someone…PLEase
Yes, I do. If you could put away your freedom for a moment, and consider others, that is what I'm asking. Have you ever considered the scriptures I mentioned or given thought to the questions I asked in that other post?David…your scriptures deserve no comment…because they hold no merit…i've explained the name..you are the only one who feels that way about the name….therefore your thoughts have been noted…lets move…I posted aprrox 160 other comments on this board that are in response too genuine Christian reason and conversation…the “scriptures” you want me to comment on have nothing to do with anything other than this little crusade…
And who are you to say “I won't be a JW much longer''…you sound as if you would like me to be DF'ed…for you non JW's thats means shunned or excommunicated…thats what he is talking about..
David…move on brother…if you can't then Report me to the elders…if you feel i am so bad…
I go to the Macclenny Congregation in Glen St.Mary, FL
8500 County Road 139B
Glen St Mary, FL 32040
(904) 259-3626The PO is Scott Booze….do what you like “brother”
Quote (david @ June 05 2008,10:50) Hey GAA. Quote if you believe in hellfire and I don't we both can't be right…I agree…what I am saying is that the absolute truth lies with God If only there were some way that he communicated his thoughts to us.
I do get what you're saying. God knows the truth. People fight over what truth is. But I'm not of the opinion of Pilate who said to Jesus: “What is truth,” as if to say: Who can know truth? The Bible was written for a purpose.And as for the name, if it's not important, as you say, why keep it then, when so many people ask you about it, perhaps because they're bothered by it. I just think it's in bad taste and doesn't very well represent a Christian, who is to be clean. I also think it would tend to turn people away from the clean and holy message we are supposed to present. And, I think those scriptures I mentioned agree.
Quote David….your little crusade against me is pointless…if you notice you are the ONLY person that has asked me about my screen name since the first day….NOBODY cares.. Not exactly true.
Mandy:
“I have to ask – what does “dirtyknections” stand for?”–May 30You, yourself:
EVERYBODY in these types of forums always ask, “are you sure you wanna be called that?”–DirtyknectionsSo I'm not the “only” person who asked and you yourself said “everybody” always asks.
Quote I think we know all know why he is saying the things he is saying…Its because I am JW who does not fit into the mold he would like to fit…
No, it's because I'm not really certain you'll be considered a JW for very long.Quote Its sad that he has yet to notice that I have yet to say anything misappropriate or unbecoming of a christian.
I have noticed everything you've done and haven't done.Quote Lemme help you.. no David..I do not walk around calling myself “dirty”…my name is Gabriel Alexander…”dirtyknections” is a screen name I use on internet forums…You are the only person that I have ever met on these types of forums who has harped on my screen name…period…
Yes, I'm the only one who cares about those who represent Jehovah and how they choose to do so. I agree.Quote You and everyone else knows that you are doing this because I am a JW who does not fall in line the way you do with Org.. Could you comment on the scriptures I gave? Can you reason on this?
Quote David…I have a simple request…lets discuss the scriptures… you are giving a bad witness with this whole name thing…
Wow. That is exactly what I am saying of you. Did you read those scriptures?
But if you wish not to discuss those scriptures, and I would understand that, fine, I'll move on.Quote Did you see Mandy's reaction to your inquisition about who I was? EXACTLY…and you want to “counsel ME about stumbling someone…PLEase
Yes, I do. If you could put away your freedom for a moment, and consider others, that is what I'm asking. Have you ever considered the scriptures I mentioned or given thought to the questions I asked in that other post?
Everybody…look at the last 5 or 6 posts from David to me… now think about the Pharisees and their inquisitions of Jesus..
Look and sound familiar….(And no i'm not comparing myself to Jesus…just using an example)
Quote And who are you to say “I won't be a JW much longer''…you sound as if you would like me to be DF'ed No, not at all.
But, just based on your confrontational manner towards Jehovah's Witnesses (the other forums) I can't see you staying with them very long. And I can't see them allowing you to speak so negatively towards them and yet continue to meet with them. That's what I meant by that. I'm also basing this on your words of May 26 on another forum: “Suffice it to say tho…the “ish has hit the fan”..”
That makes me think things are on the verge of snapping. Maybe I'm wrong.
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