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Hi WJ,
Jesus died.
The spirit of no human dies.
It returns to God.[Eccl12]Jesus was not raised by his own spirit which left him at calvary.[Mt27.50]
He was raised by the abiding Spirit of God which is also our hope.
Hebrews 13:5
Make sure that your character is free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, ” I WILL NEVER DESERT YOU, NOR WILL I EVER FORSAKE YOU,”Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,15:38) What mere man could do that? WJ
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay.Hi SEEKING
Example of denying certain scriptures in order to support manmade doctrine.
Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,11:24) he was raised from the dead For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life,
“I can do nothing on my own”
he was raised from the dead….Jesus also said…”I will raise it up”
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life,… Jesus also said “so also the Son gives life to whom he will”. Also he says…”For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.”
If Jesus has the same life the Father does in himself, can the Fathers life die? So it is with Jesus, his eternal Spirit did not die but went to hell for 3 days.
“I can do nothing on my own” Jesus also said…”For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise”.
One scripture doesnt negate others but are meant to give the full picture!
When you decide to take your Arian glasses off you will see that there are no contradictions at all.
Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,16:44) Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,11:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,15:38) Hi Seeking Good scriptures.
A little out of context the way you post them.
In context –Joh 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Joh 2:20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?”
Joh 2:21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.
Joh 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.Joh 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. Joh 5:20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
Joh 5:22 The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,
Joh 5:23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
Joh 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Joh 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
Joh 5:27 And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.
Joh 5:28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice
Joh 5:29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
Joh 5:30 “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.Quote But what the scriptures show is that the Father and Jesus took part in his resurrection he was raised from the dead
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life,
“I can do nothing on my own”
Hi SEEKINGThank you for proving my point that most non-Trinitarians ignore, white out and deny certain scriptures in order to support their manmade theolgy.
Blessings WJ
Apparently you cannot read CONTEXT even when something is printed bold to assist you along the way. Do you hold “thinkers” view that non-trinitarians are immature and that their parents must not have schooled them properly!You case is far from proven by anything I write and definately not by what you write.
What is that term the two of you adore, Pot calling the kettle black!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2009,11:48) Hi WJ,
Peter raised the dead.
A mere man.
NHShow me where any of the Apostles claimed that they raised someone from the dead or for that matter claimed they did any miracle. They gave the credit to Jesus!
Jesus claimed that what he saw the Father do that he also does.
Can you or any other man make that claim?
Try again. I know it must bother you to think that Jesus is Greater than any other, because it seems your whole mission is to make him into our image.
WJ
Hi WJ,
Mere men all the same, and that was your point was it not?
We are told we can do even greater things.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 04 2009,11:55) Hi SEEKING Example of denying certain scriptures in order to support manmade doctrine.
Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,11:24) he was raised from the dead For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life,
“I can do nothing on my own”
he was raised from the dead….Jesus also said…”I will raise it up”
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life,… Jesus also said “so also the Son gives life to whom he will”. Also he says…”For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.”
If Jesus has the same life the Father does in himself, can the Fathers life die? So it is with Jesus, his eternal Spirit did not die but went to hell for 3 days.
“I can do nothing on my own” Jesus also said…”For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise”.
One scripture doesnt negate others but are meant to give the full picture!
When you decide to take your Arian glasses off you will see that these are no contradictions at all.
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,
So if the Father has granted that the Son can give life then the Father is the source of authority and life.No sort of equality there.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2009,12:02) Hi WJ,
Mere men all the same, and that was your point was it not?
We are told we can do even greater things.
NHDo you think the “greater things” Jesus spoke of was a miracle?
Can you show me where any Apostle or Prophet did greater things?
Jesus with his own hands laid the foundation of the earth.
Can you beat that?
Maybe what you think Jesus meant is not what he meant at all.
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2009,12:05) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 04 2009,11:55) Hi SEEKING Example of denying certain scriptures in order to support manmade doctrine.
Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,11:24) he was raised from the dead For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life,
“I can do nothing on my own”
he was raised from the dead….Jesus also said…”I will raise it up”
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life,… Jesus also said “so also the Son gives life to whom he will”. Also he says…”For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.”
If Jesus has the same life the Father does in himself, can the Fathers life die? So it is with Jesus, his eternal Spirit did not die but went to hell for 3 days.
“I can do nothing on my own” Jesus also said…”For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise”.
One scripture doesnt negate others but are meant to give the full picture!
When you decide to take your Arian glasses off you will see that these are no contradictions at all.
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,
So if the Father has granted that the Son can give life then the Father is the source of authority and life.No sort of equality there.
NHThere you go again.
Is Jesus the source of your life? If he is not then you are not in him.
The same life the Father has the Son also has.
They are one1
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2009,12:11) Hi WJ,
So Jesus was not the son of God at all but was God.
Why did he lie,
or did he?
NHDid I say he lied?
If we have no record that the disciples did greater works than he did then maybe you misunderstand him.
I believe the greater works is done because he sent the Holy Spirit and now works through his “Many” membered Body.
WJ
Hi all
I find it amazing that some here believe that it was by Jesus all things were made and without him nothing was made that was made and that he laid the foundations of the earth and that while Jesus was here he claimed that “All things the Father had were his” yet they cannot believe that Jesus could raise himself from the dead!
But then again to admit such a thing one would have to believe that he is the “Word that was/is with God and was/is God.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,16:55) Hi SEEKING Example of denying certain scriptures in order to support manmade doctrine.
Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,11:24) he was raised from the dead For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life,
“I can do nothing on my own”
he was raised from the dead….Jesus also said…”I will raise it up”
WJ posted Apr.3, 2009Quote Therefore doth my Father love me, because “ I LAY DOWN MY LIFE, THAT I MIGHT TAKE IT AGAIN. NO MAN TAKETH IT FROM ME, BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF. I HAVE POWER TO LAY IT DOWN, AND I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN ”. This commandment have I received of my Father. There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? John 10:17-20 Ditto your above statement –
Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
Act 2:32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.
Act 2:23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.
Act 2:24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.Act 3:15 and you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.
Act 3:26 God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness
Act 10:40 but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear,
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
1Co 6:14 And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power.
2Co 4:14 knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle–not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead–
Eph 1:20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
1Th 1:10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
1Pe 1:21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
Quote When you decide to take your Arian glasses off you will see that there are no contradictions at all. And the name of YOUR glasses please?
Blessings,
Seeking
WJ,
Has this question been answered to your satisfaction. These passages aren't “whited out” in your bible are they?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,15:38)
What mere man could do that?WJ
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay.
Hi WJ,
Peter raised the dead.
A mere manBlessings,
Seeking
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,17:00) Show me where any of the Apostles claimed that they raised someone from the dead or for that matter claimed they did any miracle. They gave the credit to Jesus!
And Jesus credited the Father. That does NOT negate that they were given the power and authority, or do you deny scripture on this point also?They did have to be granted the authority though and could not act on their own any more than Jesus did.
Blessings,
Seeking
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,17:18) If we have no record that the disciples did greater works than he did then maybe you misunderstand him.
Did Jesus preach the gospel of his death, burial, and resurrection?Did Jesus preach to the Gentiles or give that assignment to Paul?
Did Jesus preach the gospel to the geographical ends that the Apostels did?
Can Jesus not be taken at his word that they would do greater works?
You don't have the white out, out again, do you?
Blessings,
Seeking
Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,12:56) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,17:00) Show me where any of the Apostles claimed that they raised someone from the dead or for that matter claimed they did any miracle. They gave the credit to Jesus!
And Jesus credited the Father. That does NOT negate that they were given the power and authority, or do you deny scripture on this point also?They did have to be granted the authority though and could not act on their own any more than Jesus did.
Blessings,
Seeking
Hi SEEKINGI never said they didnt have power or authority did I?
All you have to do is ask yourself “who” has all power and authority?
Who is seated with the Father recieving all Glory and Praise?
Will you or I or any other share that place?
Didnt think so!
This is not hard to understand, Jesus gave the Father credit but he also took credit because they are one.
Can you show me where any other said or can say…
Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, “BECAUSE WHATEVER THE FATHER DOES THE SON ALSO DOES“. John 5:19
Can you say that whatever you see the Father do you also do?
Can you claim that when God works through you that you did the work?
Why do you guys work so hard at reducing who Jesus is?
WJ
Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,13:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,17:18) If we have no record that the disciples did greater works than he did then maybe you misunderstand him.
Did Jesus preach the gospel of his death, burial, and resurrection?Did Jesus preach to the Gentiles or give that assignment to Paul?
Did Jesus preach the gospel to the geographical ends that the Apostels did?
Can Jesus not be taken at his word that they would do greater works?
You don't have the white out, out again, do you?
Blessings,
Seeking
Hi SEEKINGDid you even take time to read my previous post?
What scripture did I white out?
WJ
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