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Quote (Gene @ April 02 2009,17:38) Seeking…….Amen Brother , you have correctly stated the point, Jesus did (NOT) raise HIMSELF, that is if He were (TRULY DEAD) as He himself said He was and Many Scriptures also say He was (DEAD) And dead people don't Raise themselves. WJ doesn't realize that it was the Father Speaking (first Person) through Jesus, when He said “Destroy this (TEMPLE) and I, (The FATHER) Shall raise it up in three days”. God considers us temples He can dwell in through His Spirit. Brother peace and love to you and yours………………………………………..gene
Gene,Yes, of course. But you can readily read “thinkers” comments about non-trinitarians vs. the trinitarians. If you don't “think”
like “thinker you are immature. As if that weren't enough he will question the capacity of your parents to teach you. All this in direct opposition to the conduct his claimed savior encourages. By their fruit you will know them.I am grateful that LU has the sense to realize scripture does not contradict itself. If two passages appear to conflict one must discern what misinterpretation creates the apparent conflict. LU, thank you for a clear explanation, though I do not forsee it being accepted.
Blessings,
Seeking
Quote (SEEKING @ April 02 2009,21:15) Quote (Gene @ April 02 2009,17:38) Seeking…….Amen Brother , you have correctly stated the point, Jesus did (NOT) raise HIMSELF, that is if He were (TRULY DEAD) as He himself said He was and Many Scriptures also say He was (DEAD) And dead people don't Raise themselves. WJ doesn't realize that it was the Father Speaking (first Person) through Jesus, when He said “Destroy this (TEMPLE) and I, (The FATHER) Shall raise it up in three days”. God considers us temples He can dwell in through His Spirit. Brother peace and love to you and yours………………………………………..gene
Gene,Yes, of course. But you can readily read “thinkers” comments about non-trinitarians vs. the trinitarians. If you don't “think”
like “thinker you are immature. As if that weren't enough he will question the capacity of your parents to teach you. All this in direct opposition to the conduct his claimed savior encourages. By their fruit you will know them.I am grateful that LU has the sense to realize scripture does not contradict itself. If two passages appear to conflict one must discern what misinterpretation creates the apparent conflict. LU, thank you for a clear explanation, though I do not forsee it being accepted.
Blessings,
Seeking
Hi Seeking,
I am so glad that I could shed some light now and then. I was encouraged by your words and I was encouraged when I saw the explanation in scriptures years ago.God bless ya,
LUHi WJ,
You say
“My response was that you are denying the scriptures that claim Jesus and the Spirit are God.”But JESUS said he was the SON OF GOD and Paul said God was IN HIM reconciling the world to Himself.
Choosing who to believe is not hard.
WJ said:
Quote To me it seems that for you to comprehend what I say I have to be more careful with my words, for if not I suppose you will resort to patronizing and a mean Spirit and accusing me falsely. Exactly! For non-trinitarians every word must be spelled out like with children. They cannot comprehend otherwise.
thinker
Lightenup said:
Quote I know that is confusing with the two saying that they each will raise up Christ from the dead but I have a simple explanation. Greetings LU,
Your “simple” explanation amounts to a denial of your own views. According to non-trinitarians Christ's statement “I and the Father are one” means that the two act as ONE. But concerning Christ's resurrection non-trinitarians decide that the Two acted independently.So which is it? Did the Father and the Son always act as one? Or did They sometimes act independently of each other? Please make a once for all decision! And please do so without any more of the non-trinitarian double talk that has been prevalent here.
thinker
Seeking sdaid:
Quote I believe I have asked this in the past, perhaps not of you,
with no concrete YES/NO answer; Is belief or non-belief in the trinitarian doctrine a matter of salvation?It all depends on how far you will go with your conclusions. Is Christ alone your Savior? Or do you deny the name and the honor the Father has given to Jesus? If you do not think the Father's thoughts of Jesus then you do not honor the Father. If this is the case then you're in deep dung!
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2009,06:09) WJ,
Is it not better to know God than to try to define Him through weak theology.
Knowing Him would clear up many of your misconceptions.
Hi NHI believe that Jesus has all things and that all power and authority is in his hands and that all things are upheld by the word of his power and by him all things consist and that his name is above every name and that every knee shall bow to him and that the Angels worship him.
Further more I believe that he is the “Only Unique” Son of God and that no man can come to or know the Father but by him, and in fact that he who has the Son has the Father and not the other way around, because it is impossible to have the Father apart from the Son.
What does that mean to you? Judaism claims that would be Idolatry! This kind of unbridled devotion could be given to no mere man!
Now tell me what more must I believe about Jesus?
Must I hold your view that Jesus nature is less than the Father?
Can you tell me why I must believe that Jesus is less than the Father in nature based on what I have said above which is what the scriptures say?
Are you less in nature than your Father?
So in other words for me to believe that Jesus is my Lord and God negates everything else I believe about him even though the scriptures call him Lord and God?
Should I believe that the “Image of God” is less than God when in doing so would mean that my view of God would not be the “Image” of God, but in fact would be seeing God as a mere man!
If you see or imagine Jesus as less than God then he is no longer the express, exact, perfect, image of God, right?
So tell me how my seeing Jesus and honouring him as I see and honour the Father is scripturally wrong?
I will give him the same Honour and Glory and Power that I give to the Father, and this is the Fathers command.
My fellowship is with the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
I will keep on exalting the Son and you can keep on reducing him if you prefer!
WJ
Quote (thethinker @ April 03 2009,11:49) Lightenup said: Quote I know that is confusing with the two saying that they each will raise up Christ from the dead but I have a simple explanation. Greetings LU,
Your “simple” explanation amounts to a denial of your own views. According to non-trinitarians Christ's statement “I and the Father are one” means that the two act as ONE. But concerning Christ's resurrection non-trinitarians decide that the Two acted independently.So which is it? Did the Father and the Son always act as one? Or did They sometimes act independently of each other? Please make a once for all decision! And please do so without any more of the non-trinitarian double talk that has been prevalent here.
thinker
Thinker,
You have just assumed that all non-trinitarians believe the same thing and then you extend what you assume to be my belief as well. I ask you to reread through the posts on this board and I believe that you will come to a different conclusion.Please don't make such conclusions! Did my simple explanation make sense to you? Then address my explanation. If it made sense and you can also see two different acts of the body rising up, one by the Father and one by the Son then consider that as a reasonable explanation of how they can both be actively involved in raising the body up. The first raising up is to life the other raising up is to go to the Father.
You ask what I think about how the two are one. IMO, unity doesn't mean they work like a puppet and puppeteer where one makes all the calls and the other mindlessly follows along. I believe that unity means they agree on everything. The Father gives the direction and the Son perfectly cooperates by an independant act of His (the Son's) own will in devotion to His Father. It would be wise for us to do that also. We can all have that type of unity and be one with them. We can all cooperate with the Holy Spirit of the Father as it gives us direction. The Son acts according to His own will. His will is to please the Father, therefore, He seeks the Father's direction and cooperates. The Father does not look to another for direction. That is a big difference between the two.
I hope that clears up your question?
God bless,
LUQuote (Lightenup @ April 03 2009,12:06) Quote (thethinker @ April 02 2009,19:54) Seeking said: Quote PASSIVE IN THE GREEK MEANS THE SUBJECT WAS ACTED
UPON GOD ACTED UPON JESUS AND RAISED HIM.To All,
Our brother Seeking is again pitting Scripture against Scripture. Jesus said,Quote Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up….He was speaking of the temple of His body.(John 2:19-21) Uh, guess what brother…Jesus is NOT being acted upon in this statement. The verb is in the ACTIVE VOICE. Jesus is acting upon His dead body, “I will raise it up.”
Seeking's treatment of the Scriptures is just another example of the immature way that is indicative of non-trinitarians. Seeking uses select Scriptures which he likes. But the statements he doesn't like he ignores. And it is apparent that his parents did not teach him that a half truth is a falsehood.
It is true that the Father raised Jesus up from the dead. But it is aalso true that Jesus raised Himself from the dead. BOTH STATEMENTS ARE TRUE. It is becoming apparent that Seeking's parents did not teach him that a half truth is a falsehood. In a court of law one must swear to tell the WHOLE truth. Half truths are perjury!
thinker
Thinker,
I know that is confusing with the two saying that they each will raise up Christ from the dead but I have a simple explanation.What did the angel say when the women came to the tomb early this first day of the week after Jesus was crucified?
Matt 28:5-65 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye; for I know that ye seek Jesus, who hath been crucified.
6 He is not here; for he is risen, even as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
ASVThat was the Father's raising Him.
This is Christ raising Himself:
John 20:1717 Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.
ASVI think that explains the confusion.
Blessings, LU
Hi KathiI disagree.
The context of the scripture clearly is speaking of his death and him raising his body the temple from the dead.
Then answered the Jews and said unto him, “What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?” Jesus answered and said unto them, “Destroy this temple, and IN THREE DAYS I WILL RAISE IT UP”. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? BUT HE SPAKE OF THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY. “WHEN THEREFORE HE WAS RISEN FROM THE DEAD”, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and “THEY BELIEVED THE SCRIPTURE, AND THE WORD WHICH JESUS HAD SAID”. John 2:18-22
It doesn’t say “WHEN THEREFORE HE WAS RISEN (raised) TO HEAVEN…
It says…
“WHEN THEREFORE HE WAS RISEN FROM THE DEAD”, his “DISCIPLES REMEMBERED” that he had said this unto them; and “THEY BELIEVED THE SCRIPTURE, AND THE WORD WHICH JESUS HAD SAID”.
His whole point is if they “destroyed” his Body that he could raise it back up.
Also the witness John recorded Jesus words later….
Therefore doth my Father love me, because “ I LAY DOWN MY LIFE, THAT I MIGHT TAKE IT AGAIN. NO MAN TAKETH IT FROM ME, BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF. I HAVE POWER TO LAY IT DOWN, AND I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN ”. This commandment have I received of my Father. There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? John 10:17-20
Jesus plainly declared…
I LAY DOWN MY LIFE, “THAT I MIGHT TAKE IT AGAIN”. NO MAN TAKETH IT FROM ME, BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF. I HAVE POWER TO LAY IT DOWN, “AND I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN”
Blessings
WJ
Hi Keith,
When Jesus saw the woman in the garden after she saw the empty tomb is when He returned to the Father, then He came back to show Himself to the disciples that very day after He went to the Father. Apparently, it was an important step in the process of His resurrection from the dead, to ascend to the Father that is.John 20:17
17 Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.
ASV
It was something that He told Mary to tell the disciples..He was raising His body to heaven. That was an important part of His coming back to life. A two step process.You wrote:
Quote Also the witness John recorded Jesus words later…. Therefore doth my Father love me, because “ I LAY DOWN MY LIFE, THAT I MIGHT TAKE IT AGAIN. NO MAN TAKETH IT FROM ME, BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF. I HAVE POWER TO LAY IT DOWN, AND I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN ”. This commandment have I received of my Father. There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? John 10:17-20
As far as John 10:17-20, there is another way to look at that. I believe that God had given the Son a choice of laying down His life or not laying down His life (and returning to the Father) while He was here. If He had the choice to die for us or not to die for us and He could make either decision and not be disobedient to God either way, and then He chose to die anyway…well that makes Jesus a savior to us by His own choice and not because He only had that one choice. Jesus choice was proof of His love for us and not just His love for His Father. Can you see that?
God's love,
KathiQuote (Lightenup @ April 04 2009,06:55) Hi Keith,
When Jesus saw the woman in the garden after she saw the empty tomb is when He returned to the Father, then He came back to show Himself to the disciples that very day after He went to the Father. Apparently, it was an important step in the process of His resurrection from the dead, to ascend to the Father that is.John 20:17
17 Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.
ASV
It was something that He told Mary to tell the disciples..He was raising His body to heaven. That was an important part of His coming back to life. A two step process.You wrote:
Quote Also the witness John recorded Jesus words later…. Therefore doth my Father love me, because “ I LAY DOWN MY LIFE, THAT I MIGHT TAKE IT AGAIN. NO MAN TAKETH IT FROM ME, BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF. I HAVE POWER TO LAY IT DOWN, AND I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN ”. This commandment have I received of my Father. There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? John 10:17-20
As far as John 10:17-20, there is another way to look at that. I believe that God had given the Son a choice of laying down His life or not laying down His life (and returning to the Father) while He was here. If He had the choice to die for us or not to die for us and He could make either decision and not be disobedient to God either way, and then He chose to die anyway…well that makes Jesus a savior to us by His own choice and not because He only had that one choice. Jesus choice was proof of His love for us and not just His love for His Father. Can you see that?
God's love,
Kathi
Hi KathiIm sorry that is just spin in my opinion.
Clearly Jesus was speaking of his body being raised from the dead.
His point was “Destroy this Temple” and I will raise it up!
He never mentioned heaven, and niether did John in this context.
Also again Jesus said…
Therefore doth my Father love me, because “ I LAY DOWN MY LIFE, THAT I MIGHT TAKE IT AGAIN. NO MAN TAKETH IT FROM ME, BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF. I HAVE POWER TO LAY IT DOWN, AND I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN ”. This commandment have I received of my Father. There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? John 10:17-20
He didnt stop at…”I HAVE POWER TO LAY IT DOWN,“
But he went a step further and said…
“I HAVE POWER (exousia)TO TAKE IT AGAIN“
Power – Greek 'exousia' ….
1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases
a) leave or permission
2) physical and mental power
a) the ability or strength with which one is endued, which he either possesses or exercises
3) the power of authority (influence) and of right (privilege)
4) the power of rule or government (the power of him whose will and commands must be submitted to by others and obeyed)
a) universally
1) authority over mankind
b) specifically
1) the power of judicial decisions
2) of authority to manage domestic affairs
c) metonymically
1) a thing subject to authority or rule
a) jurisdiction
2) one who possesses authority
a) a ruler, a human magistrate
b) the leading and more powerful among created beings superior to man, spiritual potentates
d) a sign of the husband's authority over his wife
1) the veil with which propriety required a women to cover herself
e) the sign of regal authority, a crown
Right after this Jesus makes this claim…
Jesus said unto her, “I am the resurrection, and the life“: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? John 11:25, 26
Jesus is saying those who believe in him will never die. What does he mean?
He means that when we are born again then we have Eternal life.
He is not talking about the natural life or our bodies which are merely “Temples” to house our Spirits/Souls.
Jesus claimed that he would be in hell (Hades) for three days and three nights like Jonah was in the belly of the fish.
The Spirit of Jesus did not die! He had power over death and hell and in fact took the keys of death and hell. Death had no power over him for he was sinless.
Clearly Jesus had the choice to take up his life again!
Jesus is the ressurection and the Life, he had power over death.
When it came time for Jesus body to rise do you think he did not have power to take it up again? Scriptures teach that he did.
WJ
To All,
The apostle John clearly said that Jesus was talking about the temple of his body.Quote Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up. Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you will raise it up in three days?” BUT HE WAS SPEAKING OF THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY, Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said THIS to them (John 2:19-21) The apostle John is CLEAR! This is the commentary of an INSPIRED AUTHOR of the scriptures! But non-trinitarians just don't like it. Therefore, they concoct their own commentary. The ironic thing about this is that non-trinitarians believe that Christ's statement “I and the Father are ONE” means that they “act as ONE.”
Well…. Did they “act as one” all the time? Or just sometimes?
thinker
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Joh 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. but only what he sees the Father doing.
Joh 5:30“I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
Joh 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.
Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,10:13) Joh 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Joh 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. but only what he sees the Father doing.
Joh 5:30“I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
Joh 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.
Hi SeekingGood scriptures.
A little out of context the way you post them.
But what the scriptures show is that the Father and Jesus took part in his ressurrection.
Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, “because whatever the Father does the Son also does“. John 5:19
Case and point!
Jesus does nothing on his own initiative but whatever he sees the Father do, he also does!
What mere man could do that?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,15:38) Hi Seeking Good scriptures.
A little out of context the way you post them.
In context –Joh 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Joh 2:20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?”
Joh 2:21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.
Joh 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.Joh 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. Joh 5:20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
Joh 5:22 The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,
Joh 5:23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
Joh 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Joh 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
Joh 5:26For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
oh 5:27 And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.
Joh 5:28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice
Joh 5:29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
Joh 5:30As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent meQuote But what the scriptures show is that the Father and Jesus took part in his ressurrection he was raised from the dead,
For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
“I can do nothing on my own”
Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,11:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,15:38) Hi Seeking Good scriptures.
A little out of context the way you post them.
In context –Joh 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Joh 2:20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?”
Joh 2:21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.
Joh 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.Joh 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. Joh 5:20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
Joh 5:22 The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,
Joh 5:23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
Joh 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Joh 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
Joh 5:27 And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.
Joh 5:28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice
Joh 5:29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
Joh 5:30 As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.Quote But what the scriptures show is that the Father and Jesus took part in his ressurrection he was raised from the dead,
]”I can do nothing on my own”
Hi SeekingWhatever.
If you are happy with that, fine.
That is not all that Jesus said.
WJ
Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,10:13) Joh 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Joh 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. but only what he sees the Father doing.
Joh 5:30“I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
Joh 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.
Seeking,
When I was 14 years old I lived with my uncle Ken and his wife Patricia. Well, one day my uncle's wife asked me to do something and I started lipping off to her. Then, all of a sudden out of the bathroom my uncle came storming toward me. I had not known he had finished work early that day. He picked me up by my shirt collar with his left hand and pinned me up against the wall. My feet were elevated about 8″ from the floor. In that moment I became a wall fixture.Then with his right arm drawn back and his hand clinched as a fist he said, “If you don't respect my wife you don't respect me. And if you don't respect me you're out on the street.”
I got the point that day.
Jesus said that those who do not honor the Son do not honor the Father. And those who do not honor the Father are in deep dung! Do you get the point?
Question: Do the Father and the Son “act as one” always? Or only sometimes? This question has been asked several times now. Please give a straightforward reply.
thinker
Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,11:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,15:38) Hi Seeking Good scriptures.
A little out of context the way you post them.
In context –Joh 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Joh 2:20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?”
Joh 2:21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.
Joh 2:22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.Joh 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. Joh 5:20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
Joh 5:22 The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,
Joh 5:23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
Joh 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Joh 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
Joh 5:27 And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.
Joh 5:28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice
Joh 5:29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
Joh 5:30 “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.Quote But what the scriptures show is that the Father and Jesus took part in his resurrection he was raised from the dead
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life,
“I can do nothing on my own”
Hi SEEKINGThank you for proving my point that most non-Trinitarians ignore, white out and deny certain scriptures in order to support their manmade theolgy.
Blessings WJ
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