Proverbs 16:4 with Colossians 1:17

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Who knows but the SIGN of Jonah is of resurrection.

Note also in Jonah 2 a warning about trinity folly

8They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.

[KangarooJack]

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Quote (thethinker @ April 07 2009,07:49) Quote How you can say that Christ cooperated on one side of your mouth and then say the Father took “full” responsibility on the other side is beyond me. RESPONSIBILITY –noun, plural -ties. 1.the state or fact of being responsible. 2.an instance of being responsible: The responsibility for this mess is yours! 3.a particular burden of obligation upon one who is responsible: the responsibilities of authority. 4.a person or thing for which one is responsible: A child is a responsibility to its parents. 5.reliability or dependability, esp. in meeting debts or payments. COOPERATION 1.an act or instance of working or acting together for a common purpose or benefit; joint action. 2.more or less active assistance from a person, organization, etc.: We sought the cooperation of various civic leaders. 3.willingness to cooperate: to indicate cooperation. 4.Economics. the combination of persons for purposes of production, purchase, or distribution for their joint benefit: producers' cooperation; consumers' cooperation. 5.Sociology. activity shared for mutual benefit. 6.Ecology. mutually beneficial interaction among organisms living in a limited area. COOPERATE 1.To work or act together toward a common end or purpose. 2.To acquiesce willingly; be compliant: asked the child to cooperate and go to bed. 3.To form an association for common, usually economic, benefit: When buyers cooperate, they can make large wholesale purchases at a discount. INITIATE 1.to begin, set going, or originate: to initiate major social reforms. 2.to introduce into the knowledge of some art or subject. 3.to admit or accept with formal rites into an organization or group, secret knowledge, adult society, etc. 4.to propose (a measure) by initiative procedure: to initiate a constitutional amendment. Seeking

All that you prove is that you know how to parse words. When two persons work in cooperation together they share responsibility. You treat language like you do the Scriptures.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Lightenup said:

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Hi Thinker, The verses that you gave me about Him supposedly being alive in Hades does not say that He was alive.  I believe it simply means that His body was in the grave yet only a short time so that He did not decay.  I believe that His spirit went to the Father at the moment of His death.  He said: Luke 23:46 46 And Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said this, he gave up the ghost.

LU,
Christ's statement about committing His spirit to the Father says nothing about where His spirit went. It simply means that He had put His spirit into God's hands. Romans 10:7 says that Jesus came up from “abyss.” The abyss which is where the devil and his messengers were cast. The abyss is NOT heaven.

See WJ's post about Jonah being in the belly of the fish ALIVE. It was a sign of Jesus being in the abyss alive.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi tt,
Jn19
30Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

He died and his own spirit left him.
But the faithful Spirit of God did not leave him

[KangarooJack]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2009,08:10)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2009,07:24) Hi WJ, Surely or prophecy about the sign of Jonah to be fulfilled Jonah had to die and be resurrected. Jonah 1 5The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. 6I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. 7When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple. Alive in the Spirit of prophecy. NH I see nothing in those scriptures that says Jonah died! That is your inference! You are always accusing others of inference and additions then you do exactly what you accuse others of doing. Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. Jonah 1:17 If he was dead he wouldn't be in his belly for three days and three nights unless you think he is just flesh and has no Spirit/Soul. Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; “out of the belly of hell cried I“, [and] thou heardest my voice. For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me. Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.The waters compassed me about, [even] to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars [was] about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple. They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; “I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation [is] of the LORD. And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry” [land]. Jonah 2 Chapter 2 clearly shows that Jonah was conscious and aware of where he was until the fish vomited him out. WJ

WJ,
Good point about Jonah praying to be coughed up. It proves he was alive. And Jesus went down into hades (or the abyss) and preached.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Seeking said:

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THANK YOU GOD, OUR FATHER!

Jesus said,

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Greater love has no man then this that He lay down His ife for His friends

Thank you Jesus too!!

Jesus also said,

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He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him

Be warned!!

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
To honour the Son you will at least elevate his words over those of carnal theologians.
He never spoke of any trinity did he?

[Lightenup]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 07 2009,15:14)

Hi Kathi Quote (Lightenup @ April 07 2009,10:04) Hi Thinker, The verses that you gave me about Him supposedly being alive in Hades does not say that He was alive.  I believe it simply means that His body was in the grave yet only a short time so that He did not decay.  I believe that His spirit went to the Father at the moment of His death.  He said: Luke 23:46 46 And Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said this, he gave up the ghost. ASV Then what did Jesus mean when he said this… For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; “so shall the Son of man be” three days and three nights in “the heart of the earth“. Matt 12:40 Jonah was alive in the belly of the fish. Also what about his statement here… And whosoever liveth and believeth in me “shall never die“. Believest thou this? John 11:26 Try to read them without any bias and compare them with the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. I don't believe that MH was implying what you are. If you read the context of what he speaks, he is speaking of the body of Jesus being dead. Matthew Henry Jesus was the ressurrection and the life. He was the Eternal life (1 John 1:1-3) that was with the Father. It was impossible to put his eternal Spirit to death. Jesus even said concerning us… But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, “which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell“; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.  And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. Luke 12:4, 5 And fear not them which kill the body, “but are not able to kill the soul“: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt 10:28 Jesus said that we “Have Eternal life” and I believe him. WJ

Hi Keith,
The comparison of Jonah regarded the three days and three nights that the body of Christ would be in the grave like Jonah's body was in the whale three days and three nights. It is not about Jonah being dead or not or Christ being dead or not. It was about three days and three nights. (Which puts a hole in the “Good Friday” tradition IMO).

I think that the Son became eternal life after He died and won the victory. I don't think He was eternal life beforehand…He became eternal life. We can have the promise of eternal life and will receive it after we die. Our soul is not destroyed (it doesn't die unless GOD destroys it in hell at the end) even though the flesh is dead you are correct but our body does not have eternal life until we receive our new heavenly body which unites with our soul. All souls continue on apart from our dead bodies. GOD later unites those souls with eternal bodies or destroys them in hell as I understand it.

God's love,
Kathi

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
The eternal life that was in Jesus for him to give to us was of the Living Spirit of God from the Jordan.

[Worshipping Jesus]

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 07 2009,15:14) Hi Kathi Quote (Lightenup @ April 07 2009,10:04) Hi Thinker, The verses that you gave me about Him supposedly being alive in Hades does not say that He was alive.  I believe it simply means that His body was in the grave yet only a short time so that He did not decay.  I believe that His spirit went to the Father at the moment of His death.  He said: Luke 23:46 46 And Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said this, he gave up the ghost. ASV Then what did Jesus mean when he said this… For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; “so shall the Son of man be” three days and three nights in “the heart of the earth“. Matt 12:40 Jonah was alive in the belly of the fish. Also what about his statement here… And whosoever liveth and believeth in me “shall never die“. Believest thou this? John 11:26 Try to read them without any bias and compare them with the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. I don't believe that MH was implying what you are. If you read the context of what he speaks, he is speaking of the body of Jesus being dead. Matthew Henry Jesus was the ressurrection and the life. He was the Eternal life (1 John 1:1-3) that was with the Father. It was impossible to put his eternal Spirit to death. Jesus even said concerning us… But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, “which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell“; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.  And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. Luke 12:4, 5 And fear not them which kill the body, “but are not able to kill the soul“: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt 10:28 Jesus said that we “Have Eternal life” and I believe him. WJ Hi Keith, The comparison of Jonah regarded the three days and three nights that the body of Christ would be in the grave like Jonah's body was in the whale three days and three nights.  It is not about Jonah being dead or not or Christ being dead or not.  It was about three days and three nights. (Which puts a hole in the “Good Friday” tradition IMO). I think that the Son became eternal life after He died and won the victory.  I don't think He was eternal life beforehand…He became eternal life.  We can have the promise of eternal life and will receive it after we die.  Our soul is not destroyed (it doesn't die unless GOD destroys it in hell at the end) even though the flesh is dead you are correct but our body does not have eternal life until we receive our new heavenly body which unites with our soul.  All souls continue on apart from our dead bodies.  GOD later unites those souls with eternal bodies or destroys them in hell as I understand it. God's love, Kathi

Hi Kathi

Did you look at 1 Jn 1:1-3

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:54

His flesh and his blood is his Word and Spirit.

According to John 3 we are born again when the Spirit comes to live in us. All things have become new in Christ. We have a new man which is born from above.

That new man will not die or else there is no need to be made in his image and to grow in his grace and his knowledge.

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me “shall never die“. Believest thou this? John 11:26

Do you believe his words here? If not why?

Jesus said he had life in himself, and that he gives Eternal life to as many as recieve him.

And what about Lazarus and the rich man? Can you give me your understanding of that? Lazarus was not dead but was in the bosom of the Father.

What did Jesus mean when he said he was “The resurrection and the Life”?

Maybe this should be in another thread, but again, soul sleep is another one of those false doctines taught by the JWs and others. It does seem that your Cristology lines up very close to the JWs.

Blessings WJ

[SEEKING]

Quote (thethinker @ April 07 2009,14:41)

Seeking said: Quote THANK YOU GOD, OUR FATHER! Jesus said, Quote Greater love has no man then this that He lay down His ife for His friends Thank you Jesus too!! Jesus also said, Quote He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him Be warned!! thinker

You represent, selectively quote, parse and as accurately
interpret me as you do the scriptures.

Posted: April 06 2009,09:59

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=thethinker,April 06 2009,08:51]
But who took the strike?

You already answered that in your post. Now deal with
my question, WHO SENT THE MAN, WHO PUT UP THE LIGHTENING ROD?

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“Seeking” (so called) delights in pitting Scripture against Scripture.

“thinker” (misnomer) cannot deal with the TOTAL content of the scriptures HE posts and then states others are “pitting scripture against scripture.”

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And his idea that the Father took full responsibility is not true to every day experience.

Now here we have discoverd the crux of “thinkers” problem. He interprets supernatural events conducted by a supernatural God contained in a book (the Bible) written supernaturally based on what is, true to every day experience. If it doesn't conform to HIS experience it cannot be. He mentioned this regarding miracles also.

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Therefore,

“Therefore” is a word used frequently by ” thinker” that is never supported by what he said “before.” But no wonder,
he is using HIS every day experience which is a far cry from everyone elses experience.

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The name “Jesus” means “He shall save” (Matt. 1:21)

Mat 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”

LL Iēsus < Gk Iēsoûs < Heb Yēshūaʿ, syncopated var. of Yəhōshūaʿ God is help; in Early Modern E, the distinction (lost in ME) between Jesus (nom.) and Jesu (obl., especially voc.; see JESU ) was revived on the model of L and Gk sources; Jesus gradually supplanted the older form in both nom. and obl.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jesus?qsrc=2888

Strong’s Definition

Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: – Jesus.

We have ALL already concluded that Jesus was sent to be
the Savior of mankind.

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Act 2:32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.

THANK YOU GOD FOR SENDING OUR SAVIOR. THANK YOU
JESUS FOR YOUR OBEDIENCE TO THE FATHER

Blessings,

Seeking

Edited by SEEKING on April 06 2009,10:27

Mat 19:18 He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,

Joh 14:15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

BE WARNED

Seeking

[Lightenup]

Keith,

Mark 10:29-31
29 Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel's sake, 30 but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and
in the age to come, eternal life. 31 “But many who are first will be last, and the last, first.”
NASU

Doesn't this verse say that eternal life will be given them in the age to come or am I reading it wrong? Bodies are going to die in this present age but not spirits.

Regarding Lazarus…wasn't that a parable and not to be taken literally?

John 11:25-27
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
NASU
In this verse in John 11 Jesus is speaking about the spirit of a man, not his body. The spirit of a man who believes in Him will never die. Yours and my bodies are going to die, our bodies that we are in now do not continue as they are in a living eternal way. They DIE!

I don't know about “soul sleep” or what the soul is doing after the body dies. I just know that after my body dies, I will be safe with Jesus and know what to do when I get there, whether it is to rest and wait or actively do something. I am not too concerned about the particulars. We are going to have a new body then, right… but not a new soul or spirit, the soul/spirit will be the new spirit we have now as new creations.

G'nite,
Kathi

[KangarooJack]

Seeking asked:

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Now deal with my question, WHO SENT THE MAN, WHO PUT UP THE LIGHTENING ROD?

Seeking,

SINNERS put up the lightning rod!

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The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom YOU murdered and HANGED upon a tree (Acts 5:30)

and Jesus went,

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The Son of Man indeed goes as it is written of Him (Matt. 26:24)

1.The Father delivered Jesus into the hands of sinners
2. Sinners put Him up on a cross and killed Him
3. Jesus willingly went (not dragged)

Looks like shared responsibility to me.

I welcome you to keep posting your nonsense that the Father took full responsibility. A hermeneutic that abandons common sense will not get wide support.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Nick said:

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Hi TT, To honour the Son you will at least elevate his words over those of carnal theologians. He never spoke of any trinity did he?

Paul said that the Father has elevated Christ and given Him a name that is above every name. Paul said that at the name of Jesus “every knee should bow…to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2).

Non-trinitarians claim that they glorify the Father. But if the Father says “Bow the knee to Jesus” and you disobey, then how can you be glorifying the Father? The Father must be glorified on HIS TERMS. His terms are: “Bow to my Son.”

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Seeking said:

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BE WARNED

Seeking,
See my post to Nick immediately above.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Lightenup said:

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Mark 10:29-31 29 Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel's sake,  30 but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life.  31 “But many who are first will be last, and the last, first.” NASU Doesn't this verse say that eternal life will be given them in the age to come or am I reading it wrong?  Bodies are going to die in this present age but not spirits.

LU,
The “age to come” is the new covenant age. The new covenant age had not yet been instituted when Jesus said this. It was future to His immediate audience but is NOW for us. So you're correct that spirits don't sleep now. But they did sleep when Jesus spoke.

Anyway, what does this have to do with the fact that Jesus went down to the abyss alive? You said that He went straight to heaven. But Paul said that Jesus was raised up out of the abyss. The abyss is not heaven. The abyss is where the devil and his angels went (Rev. 20:1-3)

love you,

thinker

[NickHassan]

Quote (thethinker @ April 08 2009,19:14)

Nick said: Quote Hi TT, To honour the Son you will at least elevate his words over those of carnal theologians. He never spoke of any trinity did he? Paul said that the Father has elevated Christ and given Him a name that is above every name. Paul said that at the name of Jesus “every knee should bow…to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2). Non-trinitarians claim that they glorify the Father. But if the Father says “Bow the knee to Jesus” and you disobey, then how can you be glorifying the Father? The Father must be glorified on HIS TERMS. His terms are: “Bow to my Son.” thinker

Hi TT,
You do love some of the words of God and use them to vainly rebuke His servants.

Why do you prefer the words of men when it comes to the nature of God?

[Lightenup]

Quote (thethinker @ April 08 2009,03:27)

Lightenup said: Quote Mark 10:29-31 29 Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel's sake,  30 but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life.  31 “But many who are first will be last, and the last, first.” NASU Doesn't this verse say that eternal life will be given them in the age to come or am I reading it wrong?  Bodies are going to die in this present age but not spirits. LU, The “age to come” is the new covenant age. The new covenant age had not yet been instituted when Jesus said this. It was future to His immediate audience but is NOW for us. So you're correct that spirits don't sleep now. But they did sleep when Jesus spoke. Anyway, what does this have to do with the fact that Jesus went down to the abyss alive? You said that He went straight to heaven. But Paul said that Jesus was raised up out of the abyss. The abyss is not heaven. The abyss is where the devil and his angels went (Rev. 20:1-3) love you, thinker

Hi Thinker,
I still believe that Christ was considered in the grave when it says abyss.  Note that Jonah 2:2 speaks of Johah being in the depths of Sheol yet we know he was not technically in Sheol.  These verses speak of Christ being brought up “from the dead” and in “the heart of the earth.”  So, I am not convinced that Christ was considered alive in a place where the devil and his angels were cast.  I think that you are reading too much into it.  He was in the grave for three days and three nights as Matthew Henry says also.

Heb 13:20-21

20 Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord, 21
NASU

Rom 10:6-8
“DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?' (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or 'WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8 But what does it say? “
NASU

Matt 12:40-41
40 for just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
NASU

Matthew 12:38-45

Now this sign of the prophet Jonas he further explains here; (v. 40) As Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, and then came out again safe and well, thus Christ shall be so long in the grave, and then shall rise again. [1.] The grave was to Christ as the belly of the fish was to Jonah; thither he was thrown, as a Ransom for lives ready to be lost in a storm; there he lay, as in the belly of hell (Jonah 2:2), and seemed to be cast out of God's sight. [2.] He continued in the grave just as long as Jonah continued in the fish's belly, three days and three nights; not three whole days and nights: it is probable, Jonah did not lie so long in the whale's belly, but part of three natural days…
(from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible, PC Study Bible Formatted Electronic Database Copyright © 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All Rights reserved.)

Jonah 2:1-6

2 Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the stomach of the fish, 2 and he said,

“I called out of my distress to the Lord,
And He answered me.
I cried for help from the depth of Sheol;
You heard my voice.
3 “For You had cast me into the deep,
Into the heart of the seas,
And the current engulfed me.
All Your breakers and billows passed over me.
4 “So I said, 'I have been expelled from Your sight.
Nevertheless I will look again toward Your holy temple.'
5 “Water encompassed me to the point of death.
The great deep engulfed me,
Weeds were wrapped around my head.
6 “I descended to the roots of the mountains.
The earth with its bars was around me forever,
But You have brought up my life from the pit, O Lord my God.
NASU

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LU, The “age to come” is the new covenant age. The new covenant age had not yet been instituted when Jesus said this. It was future to His immediate audience but is NOW for us. So you're correct that spirits don't sleep now. But they did sleep when Jesus spoke.

I am not convinced that the “age to come” is the new covenant age because the new covenant age is not without persecution.  I believe that the “age to come” is still ahead.

God's love,
Kathi

[KangarooJack]

Lightenup said:

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I still believe that Christ was considered in the grave when it says abyss.  Note that Jonah 2:2 speaks of Johah being in the depths of Sheol yet we know he was not technically in Sheol.  These verses speak of Christ being brought up “from the dead” and in “the heart of the earth.”  So, I am not convinced that Christ was considered alive in a place where the devil and his angels were cast.  I think that you are reading too much into it.  He was in the grave for three days and three nights as Matthew Henry says also.

Hi LU,
The tomb inwhich Jesus' body layed is not the DEPTHS of sheol. The term “abussos” (or abyss) means the “DEEP”. Jesus came up from the “deep” parts of the earth.

Check it out.

love ya,

thinker

[SEEKING]

Quote (thethinker @ April 08 2009,00:14)

Paul said that the Father has elevated Christ and given Him a name that is above every name. Paul said that at the name of Jesus “every knee should bow…to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2). Non-trinitarians claim that they glorify the Father. But if the Father says “Bow the knee to Jesus” and you disobey, then how can you be glorifying the Father? The Father must be glorified on HIS TERMS. His terms are: “Bow to my Son.” thinker

Non-trinitarians bow the knee to Jesus as sacrifice, savior, and Lord to give glory to the Father!

Paul said that at the name of Jesus “every knee should bow…to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2).

It would be well if trinitarians did the same!!

Mar 2:12  And he rose and immediately picked up his bed and went out before them all, so that they were all amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!”

Luk 5:26  And amazement seized them all, and they glorified God and were filled with awe, saying, “We have seen extraordinary things today.”

Luk 7:16  Fear seized them all, and they glorified God, saying, “A great prophet has arisen among us!” and “God has visited his people!”

Luk 13:13  And he laid his hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and she glorified God.

Jesus does not seek the glory of man, but rather, seeks to glorify the Father. Human wisdom may seek to glorify Jesus as equal to or above the Father, however, that is not the will of Jesus or the plan of God.  Jesus, and we, receive our glory from God.

Joh 5:41  I do not receive glory from people.

Joh 12:28  Father, glorify your name.”Then a voice came from heaven: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.”

Joh 17:4  I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do.

Joh 8:50  Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it, and he is the judge.

Joh 7:18  The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.

Joh 8:54  Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, 'He is our God.'

Mat 5:16  In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

Luk 2:14  “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!”

Seeking

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