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Quote (Stu @ Sep. 04 2010,20:54) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 04 2010,20:31) I am just as interested in seeing what particles can be discovered as you. Whatever the outcome, it cannot disprove God.
What god?Stuart
The source of all.t8,
Wonderful.Stu, are you still sitting comfortably?
I think not unless you are a stubborn whatzit. But perhaps you are!
t8
Quote Actually your answer says it all. It shows very little understanding of reality and how we need to explain influence or change.
Why should your need to explain things in a particular way be a limit for others?Quote You just say it as a kind of faith statement.
As it is supported by evidence, I don’t think it qualifies as a faith statement. It is a scientific theory. You cannot disprove faith statements can you? You can disprove the scientific statement of the theory of the origins of matter, although you have not disproved it. All you have done is appeal to incredulity.Quote But an honest an inquisitive person would ask what makes 0 become 1?
The No True Scotsman fallacy.Quote Obviously the zero itself cannot explain it. There is something else that makes zero move to one and what is it?
Who said your analogy should demonstrate anything?Quote You do not ask such questions because you ignore reality in this respect.
You invented the question. When you can show it has anything to do with the origins of matter, perhaps there will be something to discuss. It seems you are insisting the answer cannot be something you cannot comprehend.Quote Think of it like this. There is no driver of a car. It is stationary. Yet somehow the car moved 1km to the north. You are kinda saying that the car was there and now it is here, whereas I am saying how did the car get there as it cannot move on it's own accord. What force moved it. Who drove the car? Did the road move from under it? In other words I am looking for an explanation to something requires an explanation and you are not. Whether it is limited understanding, bias, or ignorance, the result is the same. You are not asking the right questions
I am interested in the question of the appearance of space, time, energy and matter, amongst many things. You appear to be interested in a magic car.Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 04 2010,20:55) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 04 2010,20:54) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 04 2010,20:31) I am just as interested in seeing what particles can be discovered as you. Whatever the outcome, it cannot disprove God.
What god?Stuart
The source of all.
Religious Platitude.Yet again.
Stuart
Stu is in a pickle with his Science theory…different from Science fact.
Stu thinks he is an evangelist for Science but he had no answers except to quote what another has written.
This shows he is no better than WJ and Roo who can only run in small tight circles respouting the few things that can actually make any sense even if not fully joined up junior school level thinking.
It is a fearful and uncomfortable thing to come into the knowledge of Truth because it means ditching the foolishness that one formally ensconched one's beliefs in.
Stu has dug himself a huge hole for what he believes is his huge head and tried t bury it…oh dear, Stu, the hole is a wee bit…no, WAY too big. Never mind, maybe some Spiritual fertiliser could be used as packing and perhaps some Spiritual realisation as nourishment will seep into your spiritually impoverished mind.
Science has it's place, but it should not overshadow the greater aspects of the Truth and Reality of Life…that we did not create ourselves and that there is a Godly purpose to our existence and the existence of the universe and all within. And the Acknowedgement of THE CREATOR, YHVH God.
JustTellin
Quote Stu is in a pickle with his Science theory…different from Science fact.
Are you addressing me? If so, you have been using your name and mine in the third person. There are first and second person pronouns too, you realise.Quote Stu thinks he is an evangelist for Science but he had no answers except to quote what another has written.
I don’t have a particle accelerator in my garden shed capable of determining what constitutes sub-atomic matter. Whether it is me describing the work of others or not is irrelevant. Science is not a personality cult.Quote It is a fearful and uncomfortable thing to come into the knowledge of Truth because it means ditching the foolishness that one formally ensconched one's beliefs in.
You should brace yourself for the day you ditch your foolishness then.Quote Stu has dug himself a huge hole for what he believes is his huge head and tried t bury it…oh dear, Stu, the hole is a wee bit…no, WAY too big. Never mind, maybe some Spiritual fertiliser could be used as packing and perhaps some Spiritual realisation as nourishment will seep into your spiritually impoverished mind.
You have a great deal of religious fertilizer to spread, by the look of it.Quote Science has it's place, but it should not overshadow the greater aspects of the Truth and Reality of Life…that we did not create ourselves and that there is a Godly purpose to our existence and the existence of the universe and all within. And the Acknowedgement of THE CREATOR, YHVH God.
Three platitudes and a bit that does not make grammatical sense.You actually have nothing to say, have you. You just thought you would join in regardless of how much your voice was going to become a clanging, loveless bell in this thread.
Stuart
Stu,
Please explain to me again what you mean by 'Religious Platitude', that term you seem to use almost as much as Roo uses 'Anathema' and WJ uses 'AdHominem'Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 04 2010,21:49) Stu,
Please explain to me again what you mean by 'Religious Platitude', that term you seem to use almost as much as Roo uses 'Anathema' and WJ uses 'AdHominem'
Tell me your address, and I will post you a dictionary. Better still, do a Google search for an online one.Stuart
Stu,
You discredit yourself. Do you say you cannot explain your own catchphrase.
I would have thought you would be happy to do so.
Still, what is hiddenn will be exposed, what is secret will be revealed, the inner thoughts of a man will become like a shout anda label on his forehead.
Yes, Stu, you showing you justify your new name: 'Titken Stu'
That's right Stu you should listen to JustAskin
ask yourself why you can't think elastic
stretch your mind see all that you lackin
as a matter a fact why not believe that's so drastic
you keep saying everything so uncertain
but then you believe that you don't believe man you hurtin
saying God is imaginary, imagine that
So intelligent mankind why is that
calling intelligence irrelevent creation a mishap
is that really scientific, ask yourself that.Hey bod, big up ya!
Ding ding dong dong
So much better in a song.
You see me doing it many times
For a first attempt at least it rhymes.Bod,
Interesting…ask Titken Stu what an 'Imaginary Number' is.Just for you, in case you wanna know before you ask him, it's to do with the square root of a negative number and is very important in Science and mathematics. In fact some of the higher functions of maths (sorry, i'm English) cannot be achieved unless one embraces 'imaginary numbers'.
Shhh…don't let on that i suggested it to you…
Ok, you should ask me why? Why ask him?
Well, if he believes in the power of 'imaginary numbers' he then is believing in something that he calls 'Platitude' and if he can believe in that then what of 'imaginary God' and his catchphrase 'Religious Platitude'
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 04 2010,22:46) Stu, You discredit yourself. Do you say you cannot explain your own catchphrase.
I would have thought you would be happy to do so.
Still, what is hiddenn will be exposed, what is secret will be revealed, the inner thoughts of a man will become like a shout anda label on his forehead.
Yes, Stu, you showing you justify your new name: 'Titken Stu'
I have already explained to you what a platitude is. Perhaps you were too drunk to notice. It is not a catchphrase, it is an accurate description of what you write. What did you think of the platitude I invented as an example? Some more:“Preachers point the way but Jesus is the way.”
“With god you'll soar, without him you'll be sore.”
Do you find those deep? I have no idea what they mean at all.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 04 2010,21:14) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 04 2010,20:55) Are you in Christchurch?
No, in Wellington.Stuart
Same.We could catch up. Maybe get a coffee at an atheist cafe or something.
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 04 2010,21:13) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 04 2010,20:55) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 04 2010,20:54) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 04 2010,20:31) I am just as interested in seeing what particles can be discovered as you. Whatever the outcome, it cannot disprove God.
What god?Stuart
The source of all.
Religious Platitude.Yet again.
Stuart
This topic is not about who is God, but that God exists or he doesn't as a response to Hawking's recent book.So not religious platitude, just an honest answer without changing this topic.
Again you fail Stu.
Try again.
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 04 2010,21:01) I am interested in the question of the appearance of space, time, energy and matter, amongst many things. You appear to be interested in a magic car.
And the faith required to believe that it all came from nothing.I don't have a problem with your interest in space, time, energy, matter, etc. I have a similar interest. No, just your religion that says it all came from nothing. Your math that is trying to convince people that 0 can become 1 without any influence outside of the 0 itself. Show me the math or logic behind your theory that something can come from nothing.
So far we are yet to see your logic or proof as to why there was nothing and it became something.
Again I probably need to point out that you have failed on this point and I have rightly pointed out that if you fail, then you cannot continue to promote something based on failure unless you are happy to be associated with failure.
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