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Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,11:45) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:40) Hi Frank, Did you not look at the chart? …”V” as in vine.
“I(YÄ-shü-ă) am the true vine, and my Father(YÄ-hä-vā) is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:” (John 15:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,I am quite familiar with this chart. I also noted that it says
“It also represents the vowels “u” as in “flute” … and “o” as in “hole”…”
Author Horowitz shows a number of words in the English in which the equivalent (w) is often silent, such as “answer, sword, law, two, write, etc.” He emphasizes that anciently; it was not a “vee” sound.“…the sound of w a long time ago wasn’t “vav” at all but “w” and “w” is weak…The Yemenite Jews of Arabia who retain an ancient, correct, and pure pronunciation of Hebrew still pronounce the w as “w” –as does Arabic, the close sister language of Hebrew,” pp. 29-30.
The Berlitz Hebrew Self-Teacher on page 73 reveals: “The Hebrew alphabet forms its vowels by a system of ‘dots’ under the consonants, as we have seen in the introduction. But in current Hebrew writing ‘dots’ are seldom used. Therefore…we shall drop the ‘dots’ from this lesson on. There are, however, four letters which can be used as vowels. h and a may have the vowel sound of ah or eh, w that of oo or oh, and y of ee or eh.”
Mark and Rogers’ A Beginners Handbook To Biblical Hebrew on page 7 reads: “Originally Hebrew had no written vowels; the following consonants, however, were often used to indicate long vowels: a, h, w, y.”
A Simple Approach to Old Testament Hebrew by EKS Pub. Co. states on page 9: “…The Hebrew letter waw w can function as a consonant or a vowel. When the waw is a consonant it sounds like w, as in water, and usually has a vowel sign under it…When the waw functions as a vowel it has the sound of o as in row. With a dot above it, the waw sounds like o as in row: w. With a dot in its center, the waw sounds like oo as in pool. w Note: This dot in the center of waw is not a daghesh. Usually the waw is not both a vowel and a consonant at the same time. When a waw functions as a vowel, sounded o or oo, it does not have the sound of w as in water. The y, like waw, can be both vowel and consonant.”
Fagnani and Davidson’s Hebrew Primer and Grammar states on page 10: “The four letters a, h, w, y may lose their consonantal force and be merged into vowels.”
In explaining the Hebrew language, Menahem Mansoor in Biblical Hebrew points out on page 33: “There are, generally speaking, two main pronunciations: the Ashkenazi, or German, originated by Central and Eastern European Jews and carried to all countries to which those Jews have emigrated (Western Europe, America, etc.): and the Sephardi, or Spanish, used by the Jews of Spanish or Portuguese stock in Europe and America and also by Jews from Oriental countries. In all universities and throughout Israel, the Sephardi pronunciation has been adopted, since it is generally believed that this is the pronunciation nearest to the original…”
The prestigious Oxford English Dictionary notes the following on “V”: “The 22nd letter of the modern English and the 20th of the ancient Roman alphabet, was in the latter an adoption of the early Greek vowel-symbol V, now also represented by U and Y (q.v.), but in Latin was employed also with the value of the Greek digamma (viz.w), to which it corresponds etymologically.” Webster’s New World Dictionary concurs that the digamma had the sound of the English w. (“V”, p. 1565)
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,11:45) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:40) Hi Frank, Did you not look at the chart? …”V” as in vine.
“I(YÄ-shü-ă) am the true vine, and my Father(YÄ-hä-vā) is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:” (John 15:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,I am quite familiar with this chart. I also noted that it says
“It also represents the vowels “u” as in “flute” … and “o” as in “hole”…”
Hi Frank,Yes, in the name [יה-שו-ע] YÄ-shü-ă, you see
the Vav is used as a vowel with the “oo” sound.But, as you can see, there is no “W” sound in Hebrew.
I challenge you to produce some words with a “W” sound!B'shem
YHVHQuote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,11:52) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,11:45) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:40) Hi Frank, Did you not look at the chart? …”V” as in vine.
“I(YÄ-shü-ă) am the true vine, and my Father(YÄ-hä-vā) is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:” (John 15:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,I am quite familiar with this chart. I also noted that it says
“It also represents the vowels “u” as in “flute” … and “o” as in “hole”…”
Author Horowitz shows a number of words in the English in which the equivalent (w) is often silent, such as “answer, sword, law, two, write, etc.” He emphasizes that anciently; it was not a “vee” sound.“…the sound of w a long time ago wasn’t “vav” at all but “w” and “w” is weak…The Yemenite Jews of Arabia who retain an ancient, correct, and pure pronunciation of Hebrew still pronounce the w as “w” –as does Arabic, the close sister language of Hebrew,” pp. 29-30.
The Berlitz Hebrew Self-Teacher on page 73 reveals: “The Hebrew alphabet forms its vowels by a system of ‘dots’ under the consonants, as we have seen in the introduction. But in current Hebrew writing ‘dots’ are seldom used. Therefore…we shall drop the ‘dots’ from this lesson on. There are, however, four letters which can be used as vowels. h and a may have the vowel sound of ah or eh, w that of oo or oh, and y of ee or eh.”
Mark and Rogers’ A Beginners Handbook To Biblical Hebrew on page 7 reads: “Originally Hebrew had no written vowels; the following consonants, however, were often used to indicate long vowels: a, h, w, y.”
A Simple Approach to Old Testament Hebrew by EKS Pub. Co. states on page 9: “…The Hebrew letter waw w can function as a consonant or a vowel. When the waw is a consonant it sounds like w, as in water, and usually has a vowel sign under it…When the waw functions as a vowel it has the sound of o as in row. With a dot above it, the waw sounds like o as in row: w. With a dot in its center, the waw sounds like oo as in pool. w Note: This dot in the center of waw is not a daghesh. Usually the waw is not both a vowel and a consonant at the same time. When a waw functions as a vowel, sounded o or oo, it does not have the sound of w as in water. The y, like waw, can be both vowel and consonant.”
Fagnani and Davidson’s Hebrew Primer and Grammar states on page 10: “The four letters a, h, w, y may lose their consonantal force and be merged into vowels.”
In explaining the Hebrew language, Menahem Mansoor in Biblical Hebrew points out on page 33: “There are, generally speaking, two main pronunciations: the Ashkenazi, or German, originated by Central and Eastern European Jews and carried to all countries to which those Jews have emigrated (Western Europe, America, etc.): and the Sephardi, or Spanish, used by the Jews of Spanish or Portuguese stock in Europe and America and also by Jews from Oriental countries. In all universities and throughout Israel, the Sephardi pronunciation has been adopted, since it is generally believed that this is the pronunciation nearest to the original…”
The prestigious Oxford English Dictionary notes the following on “V”: “The 22nd letter of the modern English and the 20th of the ancient Roman alphabet, was in the latter an adoption of the early Greek vowel-symbol V, now also represented by U and Y (q.v.), but in Latin was employed also with the value of the Greek digamma (viz.w), to which it corresponds etymologically.” Webster’s New World Dictionary concurs that the digamma had the sound of the English w. (“V”, p. 1565)
Hi Frank,
Posting others 'opinions' over and over proves NOTHING.
Produce some words with a “W” sound or admit you cannot!The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:58) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,11:45) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:40) Hi Frank, Did you not look at the chart? …”V” as in vine.
“I(YÄ-shü-ă) am the true vine, and my Father(YÄ-hä-vā) is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:” (John 15:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,I am quite familiar with this chart. I also noted that it says
“It also represents the vowels “u” as in “flute” … and “o” as in “hole”…”
Hi Frank,Yes, in the name [יה-שו-ע] YÄ-shü-ă, you see
the Vav is used as a vowel with the “oo” sound.But, as you can see, there is no “W” sound in Hebrew.
I challenge you to produce some words with a “W” sound!B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,I just made it known to you in a previous post that the letter 'w' is a double u, uu or oo sound. “W” is simply a transliteration/transcription into our English language. In our English language the letter 'w' conveys the sound of 'oo' as in the words 'what' (oo – hat), 'why' (oo – hy), 'wait' (oo – ait), 'war' (oo – ar), etc. and is often silent in many English words.
“Note: In the English language, the written vowels are a, e, i, o, u, and sometimes w and y. The spoken vowels are much more numerous.” SOURCE
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,12:04) Hi Frank, Posting others 'opinions' over and over proves NOTHING.
Produce some words with a “W” sound or admit you cannot!The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,Produce some Hebrew words with a “V” sound or admit you cannot!
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,12:04) Hi Frank, Posting others 'opinions' over and over proves NOTHING.
Produce some words with a “W” sound or admit you cannot!The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,Posting YOUR 'opinion' proves NOTHING!
Ed J,
As I said to you previously on this thread “Why is it that you are a stickler for an EXACT pronunciation when you know for a fact that you do not ACTUALLY know how His Name was EXACTLY pronounced by the Saints and Prophets of old?
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,12:21) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:58) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,11:45) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:40) Hi Frank, Did you not look at the chart? …”V” as in vine.
“I(YÄ-shü-ă) am the true vine, and my Father(YÄ-hä-vā) is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:” (John 15:1-2)God bless
Ed J
Ed J,I am quite familiar with this chart. I also noted that it says
“It also represents the vowels “u” as in “flute” … and “o” as in “hole”…”
Hi Frank,Yes, in the name [יה-שו-ע] YÄ-shü-ă, you see
the Vav is used as a vowel with the “oo” sound.But, as you can see, there is no “W” sound in Hebrew.
I challenge you to produce some words with a “W” sound!B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,I just made it known to you in a previous post that the letter 'w' is a double u, uu or oo sound. “W” is simply a transliteration/transcription into our English language. In our English language the letter 'w' conveys the sound of 'oo' as in the words 'what' (oo – hat), 'why' (oo – hy), 'wait' (oo – ait), 'war' (oo – ar), etc. and is often silent in many English words.
“Note: In the English language, the written vowels are a, e, i, o, u, and sometimes w and y. The spoken vowels are much more numerous.” SOURCE
Hi Frank,Do you think you're talking to an empty chair?
Or perhaps a prepubescent school child?You really have got to be kidding me?
There is no case, in English, where
a “W” ever makes an “oo” sound!Since you refuse to admit that you cannot produce even three Hebrew words with a “W” sound;
I'm bringing you to task! I formally challenge you to a debate on this issue in a debate thread! (Link)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,12:21) Ed J, I just made it known to you in a previous post that the letter 'w' is a double u, uu or oo sound. “W” is simply a transliteration/transcription into our English language. In our English language the letter 'w' conveys the sound of 'oo' as in the words 'what' (oo – hat), 'why' (oo – hy), 'wait' (oo – ait), 'war' (oo – ar), etc. and is often silent in many English words.
“Note: In the English language, the written vowels are a, e, i, o, u, and sometimes w and y. The spoken vowels are much more numerous.” SOURCE
Hi Everyone,Wps, Frank must have flunked “phonics” class.
Oohat is he trying to pull ooith such utter nonsense.The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.He needs some better twls in his twl belt, because if he
thinks he is fwling anybody, he is severely mistaken!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 19 2012,06:03) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 19 2012,04:59) Here you can give your view on how you believe that our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name is to be properly pronounced. I made this new post to separate this topic from the “pre-existence” topic at: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….st=2530
Following is a quote from Ed J:Quote Hi Frank, Are you now suggesting his name is Ya-oo-a?
B'shem
YÄ-hä-vāEd J,
I do not know how the prophets and saints of old EXACTLY pronounced our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name and have never suggested that I do. There are many however that pronounce His Name in this manner.
Hi Frank,There are many who say “JEHOVAH”.
Since you admit that YOU don't know
how to pronounce God's name, oohat
ooould cause you to reject this name?B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,17:15) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,12:21) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:58) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,11:45) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:40) Hi Frank, Did you not look at the chart? …”V” as in vine.
“I(YÄ-shü-ă) am the true vine, and my Father(YÄ-hä-vā) is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:” (John 15:1-2)God bless
Ed J
Ed J,I am quite familiar with this chart. I also noted that it says
“It also represents the vowels “u” as in “flute” … and “o” as in “hole”…”
Hi Frank,Yes, in the name [יה-שו-ע] YÄ-shü-ă, you see
the Vav is used as a vowel with the “oo” sound.But, as you can see, there is no “W” sound in Hebrew.
I challenge you to produce some words with a “W” sound!B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,I just made it known to you in a previous post that the letter 'w' is a double u, uu or oo sound. “W” is simply a transliteration/transcription into our English language. In our English language the letter 'w' conveys the sound of 'oo' as in the words 'what' (oo – hat), 'why' (oo – hy), 'wait' (oo – ait), 'war' (oo – ar), etc. and is often silent in many English words.
“Note: In the English language, the written vowels are a, e, i, o, u, and sometimes w and y. The spoken vowels are much more numerous.” SOURCE
Hi Frank,Do you think you're talking to an empty chair?
Or perhaps a prepubescent school child?You really have got to be kidding me?
There is no case, in English, where
a “W” ever makes an “oo” sound!Since you refuse to admit that you cannot produce even three Hebrew words with a “W” sound;
I'm bringing you to task! I formally challenge you to a debate on this issue in a debate thread! (Link)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,Yes, it does seem that am talking to an empty chair or perhaps a prepubescent school child! I will leave you to your trivial self righteousness!
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 28 2012,00:49) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,17:15) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,12:21) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:58) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,11:45) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:40) Hi Frank, Did you not look at the chart? …”V” as in vine.
“I(YÄ-shü-ă) am the true vine, and my Father(YÄ-hä-vā) is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:” (John 15:1-2)God bless
Ed J
Ed J,I am quite familiar with this chart. I also noted that it says
“It also represents the vowels “u” as in “flute” … and “o” as in “hole”…”
Hi Frank,Yes, in the name [יה-שו-ע] YÄ-shü-ă, you see
the Vav is used as a vowel with the “oo” sound.But, as you can see, there is no “W” sound in Hebrew.
I challenge you to produce some words with a “W” sound!B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,I just made it known to you in a previous post that the letter 'w' is a double u, uu or oo sound. “W” is simply a transliteration/transcription into our English language. In our English language the letter 'w' conveys the sound of 'oo' as in the words 'what' (oo – hat), 'why' (oo – hy), 'wait' (oo – ait), 'war' (oo – ar), etc. and is often silent in many English words.
“Note: In the English language, the written vowels are a, e, i, o, u, and sometimes w and y. The spoken vowels are much more numerous.” SOURCE
Hi Frank,Do you think you're talking to an empty chair?
Or perhaps a prepubescent school child?You really have got to be kidding me?
There is no case, in English, where
a “W” ever makes an “oo” sound!Since you refuse to admit that you cannot produce even three Hebrew words with a “W” sound;
I'm bringing you to task! I formally challenge you to a debate on this issue in a debate thread! (Link)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,Yes, it does seem that am talking to an empty chair or perhaps a prepubescent school child! I will leave you to your trivial self righteousness!
Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive
the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
.Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 28 2012,00:49) Ed J, Yes, it does seem that am talking to an empty chair or perhaps a prepubescent school child! I will leave you to your trivial self righteousness!
Hi Frank,Are you seeing your own reflection? (see James 1:23-24 and Psalm 18:25-27)
Psalms 18:25-27 With the merciful thou(YHVH) will show thyself merciful;
with an upright man thou(YHVH) will show thyself upright; With the pure
thou(YHVH) will show thyself pure; and with the froward thou(YHVH) will
show thyself froward. For thou will save the afflicted people;
but [thou YHVH] will bring down high looks.James 1:23-24 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like
unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself,
and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.B'shem
YHVHHi Frank,
Since you are willing to respond in this thread,
I will import my posts for you to address here then.Yahweh vs YHVH
Yahweh? (Link to a Hebrew site)
“It was later speculated that perhaps the Masoretes reversed the vowels for Adonai
when applied to the letters יהוה in the running text, so some attempted to “correct”
the pronunciation by pronouncing the name “Yahoveh” or “Yahveh”, This. too, is
incorrect (though the construct “Yah” probably is part of the original pronunciation
(e.g.,see Psalm 68:4)). Note that Yahweh is most likely also an incorrect translation, since there is no “w” sound in Hebrew.”YÄ-hä-vā! (Link to another Hebrew site)
“In hebrew, the name that we are using for our creator is changing according to the context .
The most common name is : יהוה (YAHAVA) and i guess that's the name you mentioned.
we also use ” ADONAY” for the creator , and both of these names are considered holy and
sacred and one cannot use these names in vain. Other less formal and holy names are :
“HASHEM” (“the name”), “elohim” (God), “el-shaday” (from the bible) and some more.
The name in hebrew for Jesus Christ is : “yeshu” or “yeshuah” (ישוע) but not YAHUSHUA
as you mentioned, because this name (YAHUSHUA) in hebrew means “Joshua” (book of the Bible).
Hope you'll find this answer satisfactory, …Roy”Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים=117 (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)Hebrew to English Transliteration Key
A chart I created to show the standard transliteration characters for showing Hebrew to English transliteration.
By Gordon Hayes
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