Proof for francis

[bodhitharta]

It just occured to me how to prove what I have been saying to you the time is 7:34 pm wednesday, Aug 25th 2010

All I have to do is prove to you is bloodless atonement which is shown in leviticus with the scapegoat

Now understanding that there is bloodless atonement we also no that God prefers Mercy over Sacrifice in-fact HE says:

For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hosea 6:5-7

and Jesus said:

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14

Yes, Jesus said go learn what this means but notice Jesus says I WILL HAVE MERCY and NOT SACRIFICE

Leviticus 16:10

10But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

Leviticus 16:21

And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

Matthew 3:13-15 (King James Version)

13Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

John was the FIT man that led Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil because at that time Jesus had taken on the iniquities of Israel as the baptism of John is the baptism of repentance for the remission of sin and John clearly said:

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 1:28-30

notice John did not say is slain for the sin of the world but as the scapegoat he takes away the sin of the world.

The fact is if I have shown you that bloodless atonemet is even possible then that would mean you would certainly agree that God saying “I desire Mercy and not sacrifice”

That a bloodless atonement would be more likely and the Quran simply ackowledges that God in-fact did prefer bloodless atonement and once again Jesus says:

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Matthew 12:6-8

Jesus is calling this crucifixion a condemnation, not a propriation and he says that if they knew what God wanted they would not do it so if Jesus is saying that God does not want Sacrifice but Mercy then now after knowing what I have shown you here do you still condemn the guiltless?

And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Psalm 106:37-39

God hates Human Sacrifice and hates the shedding of innocent blood

Lamentations 4 (King James Version)

13For the sins of her prophets, and the iniquities of her priests, that have shed the blood of the just in the midst of her,

and finally

For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jeremiah 7:21-23

can you see that Francis God is teaching you these things

Jeremiah 7:23 (King James Version)

23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

This all God ever wanted from anyone and this is what he means when said:

For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hosea 6:5-7

Now you know.

[Ed J]

Hi Francis,

BD's mind is confused from reading the quran; so confused he worships satan!

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given
it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls:
for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and
to all the flock, over the which the HolySpirit hath
made you overseers, to feed the church of God,
which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Matt.26:28: For this is my blood of the new testament,
   which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Heb.9:22: And almost all things are by the law purged
with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Romans 5:11: And not only so, but we also joy in God through our
Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received THE ATONEMENT.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Francis,

The 'book of fraud' is reported to have been given by Gabriel, but it was really delivered by satan!
It's vital to understand that the 'book of fraud'(=quran book) teaches against The Gospel's message.

Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you
into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there
be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we,
or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have
preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any
man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

2Cor.11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if [Satan's ministers] also be transformed as the
ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 31 2010,18:53)

Hi Francis, BD's mind is confused from reading the quran; so confused he worships satan! Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the HolySpirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Matt.26:28: For this is my blood of the new testament,    which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Heb.9:22: And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. Romans 5:11: And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received THE ATONEMENT. Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

So you are saying that Satan would cast out Satan? This is not what Jesus says if the Quran says do not follow Satan then it cannot be supporting Satan

O ye who believe! follow not satan's footsteps: if any will follow the footsteps of satan, he will (but) command what is shameful and wrong: and were it not for the grace and mercy of Allah on you, not one of you would ever have been pure: but Allah doth purify whom He pleases: and Allah is One Who hears and knows (all things).
( سورة النور , An-Noor, Chapter #24, Verse #21)

In regards to blood atonement I will continue to reference the scapegoat which is the actual goat that takes away the sins it is not sacrificed but let loose alive. I believe that Jesus was concerned about being killed and was ready to lay down his life. But I also know that God desires Mercy and not Sacrifice and that Jesus called sinners to repent.

If I were to be confused it would come from reading passages such as:

For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jeremiah 7:21-23

and I find that Lev:17 is speaking about something else:

Leviticus 17:11-14 (King James Version)

11For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

12Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.

13And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.

14For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

The blood is for the life if it is spilled it is not for life

And why was any sacrifices even allowed at all?

Leviticus 17:7 (King James Version)

7And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 31 2010,18:54)

Hi Francis, The 'book of fraud' is reported to have been given by Gabriel, but it was really delivered by satan! It's vital to understand that the 'book of fraud'(=quran book) teaches against The Gospel's message. Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 2Cor.11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if [Satan's ministers] also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

It is obvious that in Gal.1:6-9 it says:

Galatians 1:7 (King James Version)

7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

and this is pertaining to

2 Corinthians 11:12-15 (King James Version)

12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

It is clear that these passages pertain to those who were with the church under the same belief but yet some would argue that the Jewish law must still be followed. Paul said that these people were perverting what he called the freedom in Christ.

2 Corinthians 13:7 (King James Version)

7Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.

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