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Hi ED,
To reach the conclusion you have you have to GUESS the thoughts of Joseph.
Stick to what is written.
Hey I don’t mind being wrong. I am here to learn.
Hi Nick,
Well, my guess is: that he believed the child wasn’t his. Do you think
that is too much of a stretch to make that assessment by what is written?_______________
God bless
Ed JHi Nick,
When Jesus presented himself to others as the “Son of God”, what did he mean? What I mean is:
Should we not go by the preexisting terms of “Father” and “son” in regards to God’s progeny?_______________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
And in Jn8
If God were your father you would love me, for I have proceeded forth and come from God.
He who is of God hears the words of God. For this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.
Hi ED,
Note that the Word, Jesus Christ, PROCEEDED FORTH and CAME FROM GOD.
The Word was with God and was God.
Ed, I have been looking at the 6 chapters of Johns gospel, jesus last sermon and statements to the disciples. Amazing how many people just scan over verses that seemingly repeat its self. just to not bother to see if it fits their theology. I have no need to debate what I believe. as I know what I believe and I have verified it through other verses, lol but others will say those verses mean something else. So you see, debating is vanity.
it is only logic that the miracle in marys womb created by God, doesn’t matter if it a by the son of god or by the father, if it is a creation by god why not be spirit filled from conception. Paul said Jesus made himself of no reptutation and HUMBLED HIMSELF as a man. So he could endure all we do, with out his divinity getting in the way, Then at His baptism, His Father gave His blessing to use his divinity. His divinity was subject to His father.
Jesus divinity was seen once by 2 disciples, the true power of this one they called Lord. Jesus even asked His father that he could be given back the glory he had with the father before the world was as before he came to earth, the same person who died on the cross said that, is he delusional? someone has it wrong either jesus or a lot of people!!!!
Jesus even asked His father that he could be given back the glory he had with the father before the world was as before he came to earth, the same person who died on the cross said that, is he delusional? someone has it wrong either jesus or a lot of people!!!!
Hi DavidH,
Back then, do you believe Christ existed as another entity besides God?
_______________
God bless
Ed JHi DavidH,
Jesus calling himself the “Son of God”,
is that not a claim of divinity?…I say “Yes”
When Peter said Jesus was Christ the “Son of God”
Jesus said that his Father revealed that to Peter.“God the Father” begetting a Son = “Son of[color=white].[/color] God”
giving Jesus divinity from his father’s (God) side
(not from Mary, nor from Adam, nor from Eve)_______________
God bless
Ed J.. 1[color=white].[/color] God is “Holy” .(Lev.11:45)
+2[color=white].[/color] God is “Spirit” .(John 4:24)
=3[color=white].[/color] God is “HolySpirit” .(Acts 5:3-4)“For I YHVH your God: ye shall therefore
sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I Holy”.(Lev 11:44)“God is[color=white].[/color] “Spirit”: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth” .(John 4:24)
1. for I “Holy”
2. “God is[color=white].[/color] “Spirit”:3. (Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the “Father of spirits”, and live?” .(Heb 12:9)_______________
God bless
Ed JHi davidl,
“it is only logic that the miracle in marys womb created by God, doesn’t matter if it a by the son of god or by the father, if it is a creation by god why not be spirit filled from conception.”
Yes some rely on LOGIC rather than what is revealed.
Presumption is the enemy of faith
Hi ED,
To reach the conclusion you have you have to GUESS the thoughts of Joseph.
Stick to what is written.
Hey I don’t mind being wrong. I am here to learn.It is either what it appears to be or it is impossible to know. If impossible, then why does the author even bother to tell us the story if it is incomplete and uncertain.
T8,
Nick knows that he sounds absurd, at least subconsciously, but like others he cannot help himself. I am not sure why this puts him in his denial stage.
There is only a limited number of things he could have thought 1) The baby was his, 2) the baby was another man’s, 3) the baby was from the Devil, 4) the baby was from God.
Since he knew he did not have sex with her it follow the 1st one is out. If he already knew the baby was from God and he was going to put her away anyways then the angel words were useless. So that leaves him with two choices and I find number three absurd.
This is one of those things that reasonable men do not disagree with.
Hi T8 and KW,
Are we meant to read between the lines and teach it alongside what is truth?
When did inference become equal to what is written?
Nick,
Are we meant to read between the lines and teach it alongside what is truth?
When did inference become equal to what is written?
You sound like a Sadducee opposed to Jesus’ words that reasoned from Scripture that there was a resurrection of the dead.
The Sadducees used the reasoning that the resurrection of the dead as not explicitly mentioned in the OT and so was a false teaching while others, including Jesus, claim it was implied within those pages.
It is written
Proverbs 25:2New King James Version (NKJV)
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter,
But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.Christians seek understanding.
The only reason this is important is that people misunderstand the angels words to Joseph and embracing denial is a dangerous practice.
Hi KW,
So you think this justifies the use of weak logic to find possible implications and teach them as truth?
That is how trinity was developed.
Jonah showed in the OT the resurrection of a man in natural bodily form.
Nick,
It is not weak logic and revealing an angel to be considerate and compassionate is not a bad thing.
Denial is the fruit of the flesh and not the fruit of the Spirit.
The Trinity is not based on sound and valid logic as it is broken and known to be broken though Trinitarian accuse the reasoning that points out that flaw as being merely human in nature. In this way the protect their false teaching from examination and convince many not to question it less they be seen as mere humans.
Nick,
I do not believe Jonah was resurrected though that is one way to explain his survival in the belly of a fish.
Hi KW,
Satan used similar logic and inference arguments to convince Eve that she could eat the fruit.
Man is especially vulnerable to such an attack.
If you allow such methods to prove things to you, you have stepped off the path of truth
Hi KW,
you say
“The only reason this is important is that people misunderstand the angels words to Joseph and embracing denial is a dangerous practice.”
But you appoint yourself to say what scripture does not say.
Is this not a dangerous practice?
Hi KW,
You say
“Nick knows that he sounds absurd, at least subconsciously, but like others he cannot help himself. I am not sure why this puts him in his denial stage.”
So now you think you are able to read and interpret my thoughts too?
And to judge me on things you do not know.
Where did you go wrong?
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