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Kerwin
Terrarica,
God knows our hearts so how can fruit thereof change his plan?
================================================================Jn 2:24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men.
Jn 2:25 He did not need man’s testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man.PR 27:19 As in water face reflects face,
So the heart of man reflects man.PR 18:12 Before destruction the heart of man is haughty,
But humility goes before honor.Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through Godit seems that according to those scriptures we are the ones that show’s what is in our heart ,according to what we do and think
Terrarica,
That is part of what I have been saying.
Luke 16:15New International Version (NIV)
15 He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.
Psalm 44:20-21New International Version (NIV)
20
If we had forgotten the name of our God
or spread out our hands to a foreign god,
21
would not God have discovered it,
since he knows the secrets of the heart?Acts 15:8New International Version (NIV)
8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
Human choices come from the heart and God know even the secrets thereof so he know what each of us will choose before we choose it.
terrarica,
My point is that because God knows our hearts he can predict what we will choose in any given situation.
Nick,
He plans the ages which is what one passage states in some translations.
Hebrews 11:3Young’s Literal Translation (YLT)
3 by faith we understand the ages to have been prepared by a saying of God, in regard to the things seen not having come out of things appearing;
Others use worlds or universe because they felt that was what “ages” implied.
Kerwin
but then what about our freewill and all we do with it becomes useless ?
for he ,God knows everything ,so why would he let us live if we going be condemn any way ,
see i don’t believe that God knows all things meaning in details that is ;for his plan is what goes on and no one can stop that what we do is irrelevant to Gods plan for we cannot bring changes to it ,but we can bring ourself to his plan and this i think is what matters to us ,
for what God knows will not help us if we cannot obey him ,
Nick
I would put it this way;any one that not seek God and his son are bond to the devil the god of this world
many will be deceived and so know Jesus but don’t really seek him ‘nor live by the truth
Hi T,
John put it this way
Jn3
For he whom God has sent SPEAKS THE WORDS OF GOD for He gives the Spirit without measure.
The Father loves the son and has given all things into his hand.
He who believes in the son has eternal life; but he who does not bey the son will not see life
Jesus said
You must be born again
Nick
you deceive yourself and those that listen to you ,you speak the words of the devil, for you deny the true identity of the one that was sent to us ;
you even twist his words ;
Jn 1:3 Through him(Jesus) all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made
Jn 1:4 In him (Jesus)was life, and that life was the light of men.(light the knowledge to everlasting life )
Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.(the light = the truth knowledge )
Jn 1:6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John.
Jn 1:7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.
Jn 1:8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.Jn 1:10 He(Jesus) was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Jn 1:11 He(Jesus) came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him (Jesus), to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jn 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.Jesus became flesh existed before but not in flesh ;
Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature/form of God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
Phil 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Phil 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
Phil 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Phil 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.the day you have accepted this bible teachings you will be free from opinions and the devil
Hi t,
Yes the pharisees were equally alarmed at the words that came through the mouth of Jesus.
They also did not understand that the Spirit was speaking through him.
They hated him without cause and murdered him.
Nick
no you have it wrong for a good while now you are using the word “SPIRIT” FOR THIS WORD IS YOUR MYSTERY WORD ,TO ALL THE IGNORANT AROUND YOU THAT YOU DECEIVED AND STILL DECEIVE
JESUS TOLD PEOPLE LIKE THE PHARISEES THAT THEIR FATHER WAS THE DEVIL
Hi t,
Yes you must be as confused as the Pharisees looking through the eyes of the world.
Like the man from La Mancha you keep charging at windmills.
Nick
did you have now accept those scriptures ? or are you still in the devil arena ?
Nick
you deceive yourself and those that listen to you ,you speak the words of the devil, for you deny the true identity of the one that was sent to us ;
you even twist his words ;
Jn 1:3 Through him(Jesus) all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made
Jn 1:4 In him (Jesus)was life, and that life was the light of men.(light the knowledge to everlasting life )
Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.(the light = the truth knowledge )
Jn 1:6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John.
Jn 1:7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.
Jn 1:8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.Jn 1:10 He(Jesus) was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Jn 1:11 He(Jesus) came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him (Jesus), to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jn 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.Jesus became flesh existed before but not in flesh ;
Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature/form of God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
Phil 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Phil 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
Phil 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Phil 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.the day you have accepted this bible teachings you will be free from opinions and the devil
Hi t,
So you alone offer true bible teaching.
Unless we accept your view we are deceiver so and twisters, even children of the devil.
Do you think your own opinion of your veracity is a little exaggerated and your personal superiority idea a little excessive?
Terrarica,
but then what about our freewill and all we do with it becomes useless ?
Free will is necessary to the plan but those that claim it cannot be predicted by he that knows the hearts of all are in error.
God’s foreknowledge of our free choice does not render them useless because we have to make those choices to reap the results of them.
Our free choice are not irrelevant to God’s plans but they are something he considers when he makes his plans. We cannot hurt his plan by our free choices but we can hurt ourselves.
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