Preexistence

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  • #54898
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,10:21)
    So clearly the firstbegotten one was not created.


    Right.

    So if he was begotten, what is the difference between his “begetal” and the other sons' “creation”?

    #54901
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,10:23)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,06:38)
    But I believe also he had amazing origins as a glorious Godly being too.


    I'm curious about something, Nick; as a man, how do you relate to a Jesus that is so different from yourself?


    Hi not3,
    Scripture says he is not different
    but like to us in all ways except sin.

    #54902
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,10:25)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,10:21)
    So clearly the firstbegotten one was not created.


    Right.

    So if he was begotten, what is the difference between his “begetal” and the other sons' “creation”?


    Hi not3,
    Begettal means that he is derived directly and solely from God as an image. Monogenes.
    He was used by God in all creation.
    How? Who knows?

    #54916
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,10:42)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,10:23)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,06:38)
    But I believe also he had amazing origins as a glorious Godly being too.


    I'm curious about something, Nick; as a man, how do you relate to a Jesus that is so different from yourself?


    Hi not3,
    Scripture says he is not different
    but like to us in all ways except sin.


    Did you preexist your life on earth as Jesus did?

    #54917
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    no

    #54918
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,10:44)
    Begettal means that he is derived directly and solely from God as an image. Monogenes.


    Beget = produce offspring as a father.

    Father = male parent, God, originator.

    Offspring = one coming into being through reproduction.

    So, begettal does not mean that he is derived directly and solely from God.

    For we know that to produce offspring, you not only need the “male” parent, but you also need the “female” parent. Otherwise, it is not a “begettal” at all, it would be creation, and we both agree that Jesus wasn't created.

    The “how” God beget Jesus before he was born would be a good thing to pin down. Words have meaning and I don't believe we should change their meanings.

    #54919
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:20)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,10:42)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,10:23)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,06:38)
    But I believe also he had amazing origins as a glorious Godly being too.


    I'm curious about something, Nick; as a man, how do you relate to a Jesus that is so different from yourself?


    Hi not3,
    Scripture says he is not different
    but like to us in all ways except sin.


    Did you preexist your life on earth as Jesus did?


    Your answer is no.

    The Jesus you believe in is very different from you:  He had a previous life in heaven.  He is a Godly-like being.  He came to earth on a mission and became flesh only in so much as he put on a fleshly body.  He was not derived by God and Mary combo (like you are of your parents), instead he is an incarnated being.

    Does this Jesus sound like he is like us?
    How can you possibly relate to such a “man”?

    #54921
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,10:44)
    Begettal means that he is derived directly and solely from God as an image. Monogenes.


    And this is different from God “creating” sons how?

    #54922
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:31)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,10:44)
    Begettal means that he is derived directly and solely from God as an image. Monogenes.


    Beget = produce offspring as a father.

    Father = male parent, God, originator.

    Offspring = one coming into being through reproduction.

    So, begettal does not mean that he is derived directly and solely from God.

    For we know that to produce offspring, you not only need the “male” parent, but you also need the “female” parent.  Otherwise, it is not a “begettal” at all, it would be creation, and we both agree that Jesus wasn't created.

    The “how” God beget Jesus before he was born would be a good thing to pin down.  Words have meaning and I don't believe we should change their meanings.


    Hi not3,
    Study MONOGENES I suggest.

    #54923
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:38)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:20)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,10:42)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,10:23)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,06:38)
    But I believe also he had amazing origins as a glorious Godly being too.


    I'm curious about something, Nick; as a man, how do you relate to a Jesus that is so different from yourself?


    Hi not3,
    Scripture says he is not different
    but like to us in all ways except sin.


    Did you preexist your life on earth as Jesus did?


    Your answer is no.

    The Jesus you believe in is very different from you:  He had a previous life in heaven.  He is a Godly-like being.  He came to earth on a mission and became flesh only in so much as he put on a fleshly body.  He was not derived by God and Mary combo (like you are of your parents), instead he is an incarnated being.

    Does this Jesus sound like he is like us?
    How can you possibly relate to such a “man”?


    Hi not3,
    I would suggest Yahsua is more alike to me than you if you wish to be exact.
    I am male.

    #54924
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,15:10)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:31)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,10:44)
    Begettal means that he is derived directly and solely from God as an image. Monogenes.


    Beget = produce offspring as a father.

    Father = male parent, God, originator.

    Offspring = one coming into being through reproduction.

    So, begettal does not mean that he is derived directly and solely from God.

    For we know that to produce offspring, you not only need the “male” parent, but you also need the “female” parent.  Otherwise, it is not a “begettal” at all, it would be creation, and we both agree that Jesus wasn't created.

    The “how” God beget Jesus before he was born would be a good thing to pin down.  Words have meaning and I don't believe we should change their meanings.


    Hi not3,
    Study MONOGENES I suggest.


    Using a phrase that you like (if I may)…where is “monogenes” written?

    I can find “conceive,” and “offspring,” and “Father,” and “born,” and “begotten,” and “son,” but I'm unsure of this word?

    :)

    #54925
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,15:12)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:38)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:20)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,10:42)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,10:23)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,06:38)
    But I believe also he had amazing origins as a glorious Godly being too.


    I'm curious about something, Nick; as a man, how do you relate to a Jesus that is so different from yourself?


    Hi not3,
    Scripture says he is not different
    but like to us in all ways except sin.


    Did you preexist your life on earth as Jesus did?


    Your answer is no.

    The Jesus you believe in is very different from you:  He had a previous life in heaven.  He is a Godly-like being.  He came to earth on a mission and became flesh only in so much as he put on a fleshly body.  He was not derived by God and Mary combo (like you are of your parents), instead he is an incarnated being.

    Does this Jesus sound like he is like us?
    How can you possibly relate to such a “man”?


    Hi not3,
    I would suggest Yahsua is more alike to me than you if you wish to be exact.
    I am male.


    If I didn't know better, I would think you are very sexist! Ha!

    Jesus represents us all. He is your Mediator and mine.

    I can tell by your answer that you are not quite sure if I may have a valid point or not? To win or be right is not what I am after, obviously; but I would like to know if you think the Jesus you believe in is like us?

    #54927
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,15:15)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,15:10)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:31)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,10:44)
    Begettal means that he is derived directly and solely from God as an image. Monogenes.


    Beget = produce offspring as a father.

    Father = male parent, God, originator.

    Offspring = one coming into being through reproduction.

    So, begettal does not mean that he is derived directly and solely from God.

    For we know that to produce offspring, you not only need the “male” parent, but you also need the “female” parent.  Otherwise, it is not a “begettal” at all, it would be creation, and we both agree that Jesus wasn't created.

    The “how” God beget Jesus before he was born would be a good thing to pin down.  Words have meaning and I don't believe we should change their meanings.


    Hi not3,
    Study MONOGENES I suggest.


    Using a phrase that you like (if I may)…where is “monogenes” written?

    I can find “conceive,” and “offspring,” and “Father,” and “born,” and “begotten,” and “son,” but I'm unsure of this word?

    :)


    Hi not3,
    “only begotten” is the strange translation of the single words MONOGENES.
    It is not even closely related to BEGOTTEN

    #54928
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,15:24)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,15:12)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:38)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:20)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,10:42)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,10:23)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2007,06:38)
    But I believe also he had amazing origins as a glorious Godly being too.


    I'm curious about something, Nick; as a man, how do you relate to a Jesus that is so different from yourself?


    Hi not3,
    Scripture says he is not different
    but like to us in all ways except sin.


    Did you preexist your life on earth as Jesus did?


    Your answer is no.

    The Jesus you believe in is very different from you:  He had a previous life in heaven.  He is a Godly-like being.  He came to earth on a mission and became flesh only in so much as he put on a fleshly body.  He was not derived by God and Mary combo (like you are of your parents), instead he is an incarnated being.

    Does this Jesus sound like he is like us?
    How can you possibly relate to such a “man”?


    Hi not3,
    I would suggest Yahsua is more alike to me than you if you wish to be exact.
    I am male.


    If I didn't know better, I would think you are very sexist!  Ha!

    Jesus represents us all.  He is your Mediator and mine.

    I can tell by your answer that you are not quite sure if I may have a valid point or not?  To win or be right is not what I am after, obviously; but I would like to know if you think the Jesus you believe in is like us?


    Hi not3,
    You get my point though that differences do not necessarily mean different?

    #55075
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Hi Nick,
    No, can you explain?

    #55156
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    We are all different, tall and short , fat and thin, redhaired, brunette and blonde.
    Men and women are very different in body and nature.
    Yet all are of MAN, all are conceived .
    All are of body soul and spirit.
    Christ is like us though
    none of us are begotten of God alone in the beginning.

    #55161
    Not3in1
    Participant

    So if Christ was begotten of God alone in the beginning – does that make him different? Is that the point you were making? IF he was begotten of God in the beginning that would certainly make him different from us (as we were not).

    #55172
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    Not if he emptied himself and was made exactly like to us.
    Scripture says these things.

    #55179
    Not3in1
    Participant

    No, it would still make him fundamentally different.

    #55188
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    In whose opinion?

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