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I have heard it proposed by some theologians and some “out-there” historians the likes of which you'll find on most esotaric close-encounters type programs that there was a world before ours. A world composed of a race of people before the creation of Adam. This so-called pre-adamite world supposedly existed before the flood of Noah and was, in fact, destroyed by a flood itself. I have looked up some references, Dake's Bible, Ages and dispensation, etc. that seem to point to the fact that there may have been a creation before that of Genesis 1:1.
One of the main points that these references point to is the notion that God did not make the earth void
” God himself that formed the earth and made it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited” Is.45:18
I guess the two sides of the coin here are that either this points to the fact that the earth would never forever be void and thus inhabitants were created, or, at face value, God would never initially create the earth void and formless in the first place but became as such. Some other references point to the fact that in Gen. 1:28 God commanded Adam and his wife to replenish the earth. This alludes to the fact that there had to have been a creation before this and a destruction.
One last reference is found in Jeremiah 4:23-26
” I beheld the earth and, lo, it was without form, and the heavens, they had no light. … … I beheld, and , lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger”This passage of scripture seems to indicate that this vision is displaying the world as it once was, void and formless as in Gen. 1. Towards the end of this section we learn that there is a reference to cities. Whether this has some other meaning or not is left up to debate. There are many more references throughout both the old and new testaments that seem to indicate there is something about our history that is amiss. While it may qualify for a stretch of the imagination, the sphinx just may have something to do with the situation.
I watched a program that interviewed Egyptologists and historians as to the history of the sphynx. Many said that the sphynx itself isn't Egyptian. The program went into detail concerning Edgar Cayce ( who should be avoided, I believe, all manner of phsycics should be avoided); afterwhich was discussed the sphynx. It was proposed that a hall of records exists between the paws of the sphynx. Records of some past civilization preserved underground. I did some research and found that erosion patterns on the sphynx are very different from that of the neighboring pyramids. The erosion indicates a heavy and constant rain. The patterns aren't nearly as severe on the pyramids.
It is said that the egyptians themselves referred to the sphynx as a structure from the “Zep Tepi” or time before time indicating some past race. There are no inscriptions on the sphynx which indicate who built or when it was built, a contrast to other Egyptian structures. The Bible indicated that Satan, before his fall, was an anointed cherub and had presence on the earth, the stones of fire, and the mountain of God. The sphynx could, and I repeat, could have been created during this time of his power on earth and the presene of a pre-adamite civilization. The records of which are kept underground in a chamber. Recently the face of Mars (the one that resembles the sphynx) was found and has brought about theories since.
One theory, rarely mentioned, is that this face may have something to do with the pre-adamite world. Satan was cast out God's kingdom and judged because of his desire to become like God in both splendor and worship. He sought to usurp the throne of God and be worshiped as such. Is it possible that this pre-adamite race was judged also for worshipping him and denying God? The shynx and the face on mars may have been the result of Satan's self-endulgance which the scriptures indicate:
” Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty”
Ez. 28:17
It just may be that the worship and adoration he desired was granted by this ancient race and they both were judged. It is also possible that this hall of records may alude to the time before the flood of Noah, or it just may be an ancient Egyptian enigma. It is said that none are allowed to excavate near the sphynx. It is also proposed that constellations, Leo, of ~ 10500 bc do correlate perfectly with the sphynx and would allow the sphynx to gaze at his own reflection. Whether this idea of a civilization before Adam pans out for anyone or not, the subject is intriguing. I am not certain on the issue either, but investigations into the unanswered questions of God and creation do prove to be thorougly enjoyable.Hi Surgeon 83,
I don't know about the “beginning” but we do know Jesus was begotten and the sons of God were created prior to the earth.
My bible does not have 'replenish' the earth but 'fill 'the earth and the KJV seems to stand alone there.
Your quote from Jer 4 23-26 ,in my opinion is a prophetic word to do with the end times rather than prehistory. It speaks of the Wrath of the Lord .It mentions the birds had flown so it was after the creation of the birds.It is very similar to Is 24. as 'the Light had gone out',the earth mourns [suggesting she has known better times],the cities are abandoned so men have been created.
Also ther is the hint of the Whore of Babylon's demise in verses 30-31.Who can really know for sure?
Scientists think that Mars once had liquid water in abundance. We know that the fallen cherub once walked among the fiery stones and had access to Eden when it was created. What are the hot rocks. Some have alluded to planets. Planets that can sustain life or water in liquid form have a molten core. Cold planets are similar to the moon, in that they are just rocks with less interesting things.
Ezekiel 28:14
You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.I think that we may be pleasantly surprised in the next world to learn of the past. It is after all a huge universe and God is obviously very creative. There is something like 100 billion stars in the average gallaxy and about 100 billion galaxies in the visible universe. Our star has 9 or so planets, so there could be a vast amount of planets out there where God has done some interesting things. And who gets to appreciate the universe and worship God for this amazing work. Probably the angels and perhaps redeemed men too.
For the Heavens declare the glory of God and we were created to know God thought his glory and to worship him.
Ezekiel 28:16
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.So the guardian cherub was involved in widespread trade. What is this alluding to? He was banned from the Mount of God and the fiery stones.
We may not know about this in this life, but the things in scripture are there for us to search out.
We also see in the Book of Enoch that some or one of the sons of God that came to earth to teach men crafts and knowledge without God's consent, taught astrology. A knowledge of the stars. God rebuked these angels for teaching men the things that they were striving to know.
Perhaps astrology was once a science or knowledge of the univese held by angels. Constellations could have been named after angels etc.
I am not reinforcing astrology today as we should be lead by God's Spirit not a science or certain understandings of a subject. I'm just saying that once it could have been a pure science. Today it seems more about money and worshipping or being led by creation more than the creator.
Hi t8,
I don't believe in Pagan Astrology either . But Genesis tells us the luminaries were made “to mark the fixed times, the days and the years”.The stars are used by God as signs and the star over Bethlehem drew astrologers who knew the meaning of that sign and they were the only ones to meet Jesus. In fact I have read that God always gives heavenly signs to warn of impending events and the jews are masters of understanding these things and we could learn much from them. Likewise Abraham was from the land of the Chaldeans who were famous for their astrology. Again in Revelation stars are used as signs as in ch 12 1-5.[try the Watchman site of Greg Killian- a messianic jew]Yes I agree.
Astrology or what it has become today is usually about money and false predictions. But God certainly uses his own creation as signs and seasons for those who are watching. After all it is his creation.
I personally have a great interest in Astronomy and I am amazed that we live on a planet that revolves around a sun and that there are billions of these suns in each galaxy, with billions of visible gallaxies. There is something like 1 million suns for each grain of sand on earth. Even each grain of sand has a microscopic world of electrons, neutrons and protons similar to a galaxy. Each atom is like a solar system.
When God does something he certainly doesn't do a half job. He goes way beyond all expectations after all he is eternal.
I can understand the sons of God rejoicing when God was creating.
What an amazing God he is and who knows what else he has in store for those that love him, even a new heavens and a new earth where wickedness has never existed.
Amen. I love the stars too and have a poor grasp of the basics. Here in Marlborough the sky is usually clear and living out of town means God's jewels are particularly beautiful.
Well obviously there were other folks around at the time of Adam and before him. Otherwise who did Adam's son Cain marry and propagate with after he was separated from Adam?
Perhaps we should consider the idea that Adam was a “new” man, an improved model, as compared to the others. Witness the extreme longevity of him and his descendants; a longevity which decreaed as the generations passed and the longevity factor(DNA) was weakened with each mixing of the blood. So maybe we had best look at the theory of evolution as directed by a higher power.Welcome Slick,
You have to remember that these folks lived for nearly one thousand years and just because one story follows another in Genesis you need to keep in mind hundreds of years and many generations may have passed between one story and the next.
Why should a creator need evolution? The theory of evolution tells us there was no creator and circumstances alone caused everything to change and develop wings or fins. But who created those circumstances and why should He need help?Adam and Eve probably had lots of children, not just Cain and Abel. Before someone cries out 'incest', we have to remember that the gene pool of the human race wasn't as corrupt as it is now. Relations who marry increase the chance of a defect offspring only because the human gene pool is corrupted and that corruption has an increased chance of pairing up in close family to become a dominant feature, rather than a recessive one. But these earlier humans lived much longer than us and were much more pure in a genetical sense. It is only because time has given humans more time to sin that we have cursed our DNA so that it contains all kinds of weaknesses, vulnerablities and undesirable traits.
Even Evolution (which I do not support) says that we started from a single parent or couple. So either way you look at it, you have to get use to the idea that the first humans married each other even though they were related.
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