Poetry

[Stu]

Quote (lineon @ April 30 2008,04:01)

Hi Stuart You mean you do not know what makes a tree grow? Lineon.

Hi Lineon

If you agree with seek and you will find that tree growth is a miracle, then I think you perhaps do not understand it. You could say that, for example you are well-versed in the astonishingly complex process of photosynthesis, and even can appreciate some possible evolutionary routes by which that adaptation, critical to all animal life, came about. If there is a miracle in there, at what point does it need to be invoked? Do you need a god of the gaps to step in and be a placeholder for a proper explanation? Is our lack of knowledge a reason to invoke a supernatural being? On the subject of beauty, our view of tree growth is so much more beautiful that it was even in Medieval times. We are dumbstruck by the 'ingenuity' (and clumsiness) of natural selection in its discovered manner of feeding the planet. To me, the alternative 'god did it', no matter when you say it, is death to that beauty. There is no need for it; it is the antithesis to curiosity.

Stuart

[lineon]

Quote (Stu @ April 29 2008,22:12)

Quote (lineon @ April 30 2008,04:01) Hi Stuart You mean you do not know what makes a tree grow? Lineon. Hi Lineon If you agree with seek and you will find that tree growth is a miracle, then I think you perhaps do not understand it.  You could say that, for example you are well-versed in the astonishingly complex process of photosynthesis, and even can appreciate some possible  evolutionary routes by which that adaptation, critical to all animal life, came about.  If there is a miracle in there, at what point does it need to be invoked?  Do you need a god of the gaps to step in and be a placeholder for a proper explanation?  Is our lack of knowledge a reason to invoke a supernatural being?  On the subject of beauty, our view of tree growth is so much more beautiful that it was even in Medieval times.  We are dumbstruck by the 'ingenuity' (and clumsiness) of natural selection in its discovered manner of feeding the planet.  To me, the alternative 'god did it', no matter when you say it, is death to that beauty.  There is no need for it; it is the antithesis to curiosity. Stuart

Hi Stuart

You have all the anglels coverd
And I won't be able to fill in the gaps
Nor give the alternative 'how God did it'

What we are really talking about is
Yes and No
Black And White
Yin and Yang

My life with God is real
Believing in 'This Awesome Power'
Makes it nearly impossible to lie
So – I am writing the truth.

'This Awesome Power' welcomes you into His presence
You feel touched you feel happy you feel lite
Some just want to help be benevolent
Others want to talk and debate about
'This Awesome Power'
I just want to be His friend
And I am waiting for His return.

You can twist my words to suit your view
I could have filled in the gaps to suit my view.

Lineon

[Stu]

Hi Lineon

This thread is about poetry, and I think poetry should have beauty. I am trying to see how your god allows you to see beauty. I feel no blinkers, except the ultimate limitations of human senses and sensibilities. Science is beautiful. Scientists who are also religious believers would agree, I think. Christian belief (especially biblical belief) can only impose limits, and I think beauty is very much dimmed in that view of the world. Maybe the benefits you feel outweigh the costs. Why live in a black-and-white world when there is a glorious continuum of grey, and colour too?

Stuart

[charity]

Turn around dear Stuart
Let me remove the knives from your back
Natures sure is beautiful
On Gods behalf
I don’t why “Christians” always have to appeal!
Board of excise sustained!
Due to exposing prophets!
yet to be seen kicking reality completely unconscious.

-charity

[charity]

Line on
loveley as
I can see
your
reaching deep into your soul

charity

[Not3in1]

Hey Charity,

Your avatar looks just like you!

[charity]

Quote (Not3in1 @ May 01 2008,17:03)

Hey Charity, Your avatar looks just like you!

The “checks” in the male my friend

[charity]

The full of confidence
self apointed translators
Should you need to watch the surrounding steps
those as a choice to use
Don't dress yourseves in answers!
When there is multiple mind and logical suggestions

-charity

[charity]

“Dont click here if not lonley”

[lineon]

Quote (charity @ May 01 2008,00:52)

Line on loveley as I can see your reaching deep into your soul charity

Thanks Charity
Your not doing so bad yourself!!

'Don't dress yourself in answers!
When there are multiple mind and logical suggestions'

I definitely agree with you
Very well put.

Lineon

[theodorej]

Quote (Stu @ April 30 2008,08:12)

Quote (lineon @ April 30 2008,04:01) Hi Stuart You mean you do not know what makes a tree grow? Lineon. Hi Lineon If you agree with seek and you will find that tree growth is a miracle, then I think you perhaps do not understand it.  You could say that, for example you are well-versed in the astonishingly complex process of photosynthesis, and even can appreciate some possible  evolutionary routes by which that adaptation, critical to all animal life, came about.  If there is a miracle in there, at what point does it need to be invoked?  Do you need a god of the gaps to step in and be a placeholder for a proper explanation?  Is our lack of knowledge a reason to invoke a supernatural being?  On the subject of beauty, our view of tree growth is so much more beautiful that it was even in Medieval times.  We are dumbstruck by the 'ingenuity' (and clumsiness) of natural selection in its discovered manner of feeding the planet.  To me, the alternative 'god did it', no matter when you say it, is death to that beauty.  There is no need for it; it is the antithesis to curiosity. Stuart

Greeting Stu….I must say your presentation was elequont and factual….especially your explanation of the life process of plant life…..And based on your reference to evolution I am sure you think this all came about through a big bang or some other THEORY….The process of photosythensis had an inventor…Who or What do you think that was….

[Stu]

Quote (theodorej @ May 01 2008,23:50)

Quote (Stu @ April 30 2008,08:12) Quote (lineon @ April 30 2008,04:01) Hi Stuart You mean you do not know what makes a tree grow? Lineon. Hi Lineon If you agree with seek and you will find that tree growth is a miracle, then I think you perhaps do not understand it.  You could say that, for example you are well-versed in the astonishingly complex process of photosynthesis, and even can appreciate some possible  evolutionary routes by which that adaptation, critical to all animal life, came about.  If there is a miracle in there, at what point does it need to be invoked?  Do you need a god of the gaps to step in and be a placeholder for a proper explanation?  Is our lack of knowledge a reason to invoke a supernatural being?  On the subject of beauty, our view of tree growth is so much more beautiful that it was even in Medieval times.  We are dumbstruck by the 'ingenuity' (and clumsiness) of natural selection in its discovered manner of feeding the planet.  To me, the alternative 'god did it', no matter when you say it, is death to that beauty.  There is no need for it; it is the antithesis to curiosity. Stuart Greeting Stu….I must say your presentation was elequont and factual….especially your explanation of the life process of plant life…..And based on your reference to evolution I am sure you think this all came about through a big bang or some other THEORY….The process of photosythensis had an inventor…Who or What do you think that was….

Hi theodorej

Well, as I my conclusion is that there is no designer, you will have to tell me.

Stuart

[lineon]

Quote (Stu @ May 01 2008,00:15)

Hi Lineon This thread is about poetry, and I think poetry should have beauty.  I am trying to see how your god allows you to see beauty.  I feel no blinkers, except the ultimate limitations of human senses and sensibilities. Science is beautiful.  Scientists who are also religious believers would agree, I think.  Christian belief (especially biblical belief) can only impose limits, and I think beauty is very much dimmed in that view of the world.  Maybe the benefits you feel outweigh the costs.  Why live in a black-and-white world when there is a glorious continuum of grey, and colour too? Stuart

Hi Stuart

I am suprised
That you are twisting my words
'Black and white' to suit your views
I did not mention 'live' and 'world'
If you did not understand
What I meant
Why not ask.

You say poetry is about beauty
Then you would agree
Poetry is about uglyness
Poetry is about nursery rhyms
Poetry is about the blues
Poetry is about life
Then poetry is reality
And that is what we are talking about
Life and death
Black and white

O man tell me
What is reality?
Tell me man.

You are but a mere cell
You are dust
You are sand upon the sea shore
You are a speck in your solar system
It will take you ten life times and more
To travell across your system
Your neighbouring solar system
Is thirty life times and more away
How many solar systems are there?

O man you are not the centre of the universe
You are a living cell
making your way home
Some die
Others live.
We are on our way home.

lineon

[Not3in1]

Lineon,

You and the member, Charity, have so much in common. You both speak in riddles/poetry. You should read her thread and some of her posts. You are kindred souls, I think.

Mandy

[charity]

Hi Lineon

I like this quote of yours
You say poetry is about beauty
Then you would agree
Poetry is about uglyness
Poetry is about nursery rhyms
Poetry is about the blues
Poetry is about life
Then poetry is reality

ALSO ANOTHER FAIRY REALITY,
MOST CHILDREN ARE FEED LOVED FAIRY STORIES,
CREATED FOR THE MIND TO ESCAPE ITS PAIN, OR FEEL ITS WAY

Reality Prince BY GOLDEN HEART

I'm sure every girl dreamed of their Prince Charming already,
But I give a word of advice
Wait for your reality prince instead
And you won't get hurt
Don't get carried away with some
dream in a balloon
Because anyone with half a mind knows
Balloons burst, pop, poof!
A man that loves you
deserves a place in your heart
Because he will be willing to give his away to you
No matter is he's not so handsome
Or quite the knight in armor
He really is if he cares about your soul
Jump on this love and don't wait for Prince Charming
THat guy might just fall off his horse
Don't stop wishing
but get back into your shoes
And take a glimpse of your reality prince

Golden Heart

[lineon]

Quote (Not3in1 @ May 01 2008,17:55)

Lineon, You and the member, Charity, have so much in common.  You both speak in riddles/poetry.  You should read her thread and some of her posts.  You are kindred souls, I think. Mandy

Hi Mandy

Riddles=poetry

Maybe this will help
You should read between the lines.

It does not say
Much about my poetry [ha-ha-ha].

Good poetry should be understood
Maybe the poet is not undrstood
But his poetry should be understood.

Song of Solomon
Was very difficult for me to understand
The Song seems OK now
But some parts
Still need a lot of my thoughts.

Lineon

[Not3in1]

Hi Lin,

So much of the bible is symbolism that it is difficult to understand. Even the Songs cannot just be about love and sex, folks have to say her breasts stand for something political. Good grief. I tend to think Solomon just dug his women and wanted to write some soft porn (of the day).

[seek and you will find]

I rather sing a Song. Another one of my favorites is

LET THERE BE PEACE ON EARTH

Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me,
Let there be peace on earth the peace that was meant to be.
With God as our Father, Brothers all are we, let me walk with my Brothers
in perfect harmony.

Let peace begin with me,
Let this be the moment now,
with every step I take, let this be my solemn vow,
To live each moment and give each moment in peaceful harmony,
Let there be peace on earth,
and let it begin with me. Let it begin with me.

O wrote this out of my memory and I am not so sure about the ending.

Peace and Love Irene

[charity]

Quote (Not3in1 @ May 03 2008,04:38)

Hi Lin, So much of the bible is symbolism that it is difficult to understand.  Even the Songs cannot just be about love and sex, folks have to say her breasts stand for something political.  Good grief.  I tend to think Solomon just dug his women and wanted to write some soft porn (of the day).

I think politics and Law spoiled this, hey he offered Her all of her disire, Poor solomon, hook Line and sinker, thats anything?

1Ki 10:13 And king Solomon gave unto the queen of Sheba all her desire, whatsoever she asked, beside [that] which Solomon gave her of his royal bounty. So she turned and went to her own country, she and her servants.

truley A man that knows what female can do with the soul.

[charity]

I do not think I have ever seen anything more beautiful
than the bluebell I have been looking at.
I know the beauty of our Lord by it.
– Gerald Manley Hopkins

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