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It is one thing to say you believe or don't believe in something but it is another thing to Prove it.
People who believe in these verses have proof that Jesus did not return yet:
Acts 3:19-21 (Contemporary English Version) 19So turn to God! Give up your sins, and you will be forgiven. 20Then that time will come when the Lord will give you fresh strength. He will send you Jesus, his chosen Messiah. 21But Jesus must stay in heaven until God makes all things new, just as his holy prophets promised long ago.
These passages came after the day of pentecost and is clear PROOF that JESUS did not return.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2010,09:14) It is one thing to say you believe or don't believe in something but it is another thing to Prove it. People who believe in these verses have proof that Jesus did not return yet:
Acts 3:19-21 (Contemporary English Version) 19So turn to God! Give up your sins, and you will be forgiven. 20Then that time will come when the Lord will give you fresh strength. He will send you Jesus, his chosen Messiah. 21But Jesus must stay in heaven until God makes all things new, just as his holy prophets promised long ago.
These passages came after the day of pentecost and is clear PROOF that JESUS did not return.
Hi BD,Sorry for not responding sooner.
Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out,
when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; and he shall send Jesus Christ,
which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution
of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.This verse is not talking about one fixed point in time for all, but the restitution of all things
happens on an individual basis. (compare with Heb.9:28 & 2 Cor 5:17-19)Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them
that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.2 Cor 5:17-19 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away;
behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ,
and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.So the question is: BD, are you looking for Jesus Christ? Have you been converted yet?
Have all things become new to you? If not you MUST look for Jesus Christ! (1Cor.12:3)
Then you too can have your own personal Pentecost, being filled with the “HolySpirit”!YHVH bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 18 2011,10:02) Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out
…a really nasty thing to gloat about to anyone who might have been a victim of your sinning.Christianity: the fantasy story for those who don't want to take responsibility for their own wrongdoing.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ June 20 2011,18:29) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2011,10:02) Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out
…a really nasty thing to gloat about to anyone who might have been a victim of your sinning.Christianity: the fantasy story for those who don't want to take responsibility for their own wrongdoing.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,The fear of the LORD is wisdom, and to depart from evil is understanding.
Is not departing from evil, taking responsibility for ones wrongdoing?
Repent means to turn around, God wants to turn sinners around.
Jesus paying the price for your sins, don't reject YHVH's offer.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 18 2011,10:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2010,09:14) It is one thing to say you believe or don't believe in something but it is another thing to Prove it. People who believe in these verses have proof that Jesus did not return yet:
Acts 3:19-21 (Contemporary English Version) 19So turn to God! Give up your sins, and you will be forgiven. 20Then that time will come when the Lord will give you fresh strength. He will send you Jesus, his chosen Messiah. 21But Jesus must stay in heaven until God makes all things new, just as his holy prophets promised long ago.
These passages came after the day of pentecost and is clear PROOF that JESUS did not return.
Hi BD,Sorry for not responding sooner.
Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out,
when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; and he shall send Jesus Christ,
which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution
of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.This verse is not talking about one fixed point in time for all, but the restitution of all things
happens on an individual basis. (compare with Heb.9:28 & 2 Cor 5:17-19)Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them
that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.2 Cor 5:17-19 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away;
behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ,
and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.So the question is: BD, are you looking for Jesus Christ? Have you been converted yet?
Have all things become new to you? If not you MUST look for Jesus Christ! (1Cor.12:3)
Then you too can have your own personal Pentecost, being filled with the “HolySpirit”!YHVH bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Sorry ED but the phrase restitution of “All Things” can not be an individual meaning.The verses you applied are not the same as “All things” as it applies to those who have been reconciled but not “All Things”
Jesus has not returned but he will
Hi BD,
So you have no real evidence for your assertions then?
YHVH blessings
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Rena,
What does 2nd Peter 3 have to do with the topic?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orglol, you just finished pointing out I made a mistake in what I quoted in believers place, which I did, now here. But 2nd Peter 3 has to do with the `Day of the Lord – return of Jesus.
Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2011,04:02) Quote (Stu @ June 20 2011,18:29) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2011,10:02) Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out
…a really nasty thing to gloat about to anyone who might have been a victim of your sinning.Christianity: the fantasy story for those who don't want to take responsibility for their own wrongdoing.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,The fear of the LORD is wisdom, and to depart from evil is understanding.
Is not departing from evil, taking responsibility for ones wrongdoing?
Repent means to turn around, God wants to turn sinners around.
Jesus paying the price for your sins, don't reject YHVH's offer.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The real question is how do you take responsibility for your own wrongdoing?My reading of christianity is that you say to any victim of your wrong act that you are OK now because, having accepted Jesus as your execution sacrifice you are good with your god so everything will be fine.
The non-deluded person does not have this abomination of a celestial conspiracy theory to distract him from fronting up to a victim, apologising, asking what could be done in reparation, and promising that learning has happened which should help to prevent a repeat of the problem. Or do christians do that, and stay quiet about the whole “I'm good with god” thing? I think it would be only decent for them to keep their fantasy delusions to themselves in that situation.
As for your god and its celestial dictatorship, it can get lost. It has no moral authority over humans, and should be asking for our forgiveness as the species it has committed atrocities against for thousands of years.
Of course the Good News is that none of that is true.
Stuart
Quote (Rena @ June 24 2011,18:43) lol, you just finished pointing out I made a mistake in what I quoted in believers place, which I did, now here. But 2nd Peter 3 has to do with the `Day of the Lord – return of Jesus.
Hi Kar,If “The Day of The LORD” is Jesus return (as you say), then why
do you not believe Peter's account of “The Day of The LORD” in Acts?Acts 2:14-21 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them,
Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to
my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days,
saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and
on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will show
wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: The sun
shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Pentecost had come)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ June 24 2011,21:35) Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2011,04:02) Quote (Stu @ June 20 2011,18:29) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2011,10:02) Acts 3:19-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out
…a really nasty thing to gloat about to anyone who might have been a victim of your sinning.Christianity: the fantasy story for those who don't want to take responsibility for their own wrongdoing.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,The fear of the LORD is wisdom, and to depart from evil is understanding.
Is not departing from evil, taking responsibility for ones wrongdoing?
Repent means to turn around, God wants to turn sinners around.
Jesus paying the price for your sins, don't reject YHVH's offer.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The real question is how do you take responsibility for your own wrongdoing?My reading of christianity is that you say to any victim of your wrong act that you are OK now because, having accepted Jesus as your execution sacrifice you are good with your god so everything will be fine.
The non-deluded person does not have this abomination of a celestial conspiracy theory to distract him from fronting up to a victim, apologising, asking what could be done in reparation, and promising that learning has happened which should help to prevent a repeat of the problem. Or do christians do that, and stay quiet about the whole “I'm good with god” thing? I think it would be only decent for them to keep their fantasy delusions to themselves in that situation.
As for your god and its celestial dictatorship, it can get lost. It has no moral authority over humans, and should be asking for our forgiveness as the species it has committed atrocities against for thousands of years.
Of course the Good News is that none of that is true.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Many people try to say this to get out of trouble,
but still spend a lot of time (many years) in Jail.YHVH knows our hearts, and if we are truly repentant,
he keeps us from getting in trouble in the first place.
Are you having trouble understanding this concept?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Stuart,
That was an answer to your question.
I no-longer do any wrong doing.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgYou lie to others about knowing there is a god, when you can't even say what a god is.
Isn't that wrong?
Stuart
Ed, Pentecost, but not The Day of The Lord which is in 2nd Peter 3, the return of Christ, which hasn't happened yet, but it will, burning like an oven, and the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings Malachi.
Quote (Rena @ June 25 2011,09:04) Ed, Pentecost, but not The Day of The Lord which is in 2nd Peter 3, the return of Christ, which hasn't happened yet, but it will, burning like an oven, and the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings Malachi.
Hi Shimmer,You keep saying Jesus return is the day of the LORD.
Jesus returned in spirit on the day of “Pentecost”.
Yet you say: it was not “The Day of The LORD”.Agreed, Pentecost was not the day of the LORD.
Pentecost was the Former rain of the LORD.
The Latter rain is “The Day of The LORD”Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “Former Rain“=117] unto the earth.God's Signature
Proof of God=117
GOD(26) → The Bible(63) → AKJV Bible(74) → The LORD JEHOVAH(151)יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)“The Passover“=148
[74+74=148]
Jesus=74 + cross=74 = (פסח=148) “The Passover”=148“Pentecost“=117
“Former Rain”=117
(Jesus was alive on day FOUR)
63=”YHVH” RAISED BACK TO LIFE,
+54 days after the 'cross': STARTED…
117=”Pentecost” [63+54=117]
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“The Latter Rain”=151
“Feast of Booths“=151
(Feast [of] Tabernacles=151)
“Jesus is Lord”=151, because
“HolySpirit”=151 (Jesus' Father) is…
“The LORD JEHOVAH”=151
Click Here for moreGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd, nothing you say – with this – scripturally adds up, except for your numbers.
Read – with understanding – 2nd Peter 3,
Read with understanding the Parables Jesus told – of when he would return, and seperate. One lot goes to the kingdom, and the other goes to the fire.
The fire and destruction is repeated over and over again in the Bible.
This is the Day of the Lord. Like a thief it will come. Lighting up the sky from the East to West.Put it together…
A Day – lighting up the sky – like a thief in the night – from East to West…
God showed me this years ago. Why? Because I asked how we are to know the false return of Christ from the real.
I dont ask people. Peoples opinion don't matter to me.
There will be no time, panic will be on everyones face.
No time to change, no time to put it right, no time for anything. Your eternal destination will be sealed. You will either be standing or you will be ash.Only after I was shown this, did I find this scripture in Malachi 4 –
“For, behold, the day comes, it burns as a furnace; and all the proud, and all who work wickedness, will be stubble; and the day that comes will burn them up,” says Yahweh of Armies, “that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. But to you who fear my name shall the sun of righteousness arise with healing in its wings. You will go out, and leap like calves of the stall. You shall tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I make,” says Yahweh of Armies. “Remember the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded to him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of Yahweh comes.So, Ed, if a Man comes and says he is Jesus, even from the sky, will you believe him?
Same question to you Bod – if you still post here.
My answer is – no.
I don't go on about this so much, just to say – I know something you don't know.
I SAY IT because – people will be deceived.
Just imagine life is hard, the whole worlds gone crazy, then someone comes along. Claims they are the Christ, performs miracles, promises to help you all. Touches you deep within. The 'saviour of the whole world.' Jesus said – Do Not Go Out!
And people believe in a temporary thousand year reign. No. Gods Kingdom will not be temporary.
Nowhere does it say this. The book of Revelations is MISUNDERSTOOD.
Just remember this, if the time comes, ok. Don't be FOOLED.
When the TRUE return of Christ comes, there will be no wondering. It will be pretty Obvious.
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