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Quote (942767 @ July 15 2009,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,18:44) Quote (942767 @ July 14 2009,14:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:40) Quote (942767 @ July 14 2009,11:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,10:36) Quote (942767 @ July 14 2009,10:17) Hi BD: The following scriptures may help your understanding:
Quote Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:9 For this [is] the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
Quote Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Hbr 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham.And relative to Anti-Christ:
Quote 1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Love in Christ,
Marty
All Muslims believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh so they can't be anti-christ.Genesis 21:12-14 (New King James Version)
12 But God said to Abraham, “Do not let it be displeasing in your sight because of the lad or because of your bondwoman. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice; for in Isaac your seed shall be called. 13 Yet I will also make a nation of the son of the bondwoman, because he is your seed.”then it says:
Genesis 21:19-21 (King James Version)
19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.
When the scripture says that God was with someone it means He was their God.
and Jesus made it clear what happens in apostasy:
Matthew 21:42-44 (King James Version)
42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Now the stone has fallen and it has broken Christianity up into 39,000 sects/denominations
Hi BD:Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the “Only Begotten Son of God”, and so, the scripture that states: “he does not believe the Father and the Son is Anti-Christ”, fits.
Yes, Christianity is divided now, but God will bring us into unity through the 144,000 in this last day.
This is the fruit that the nation to whom Jesus will give the kingdom:
Quote 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. Quote 4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty you don't have to twist the scriptures:1 John 5
1Every one who is believing that Jesus is the Christ, of God he hath been begotten, and every one who is loving Him who did beget, doth love also him who is begotten of Him:Do you understand what this means?
Hi BD:I have not twisted the scriptures, and of course, I know what believing that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God means. I know that I added “the Son of the Living God” to the scripture that you quoted because that is what God has revealed to humanity through the Apostle Peter.
Quote 13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the
Son of Man, am?”
14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of the Living God. You accuse me of twisting the scriptures, but you want to pick and choose what scriptures you want to quote and believe out of the bible and want to justify this by saying that the scriptures have been corrupted, and while it is true that there are some scriptures that have been altered or even mistranslated, the truth of that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God is plainly shown by the scriptures that are line upon line and precept upon precept beginning from Genesis to Revelation, and the Spirit of God dwelling within me also testifies of this reality.
Quote 1 John 5
1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our[a] faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which[c] He has testified of His Son. 10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life,[d] and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.Love in Christ,
Marty
First of all I do believe that you have the spirit of God and the Spirit will teach you and guide you. I'm sure you didn't know all you know immediately, did you?So the Spirit works with you, it doesn't force you to believe anything. Our belief wasn't much different at all but The Spirit of God taught me and guided me study the Quran and reading it all I understood.
Now we all know that God did not sire Jesus, So if he is called “Son” it is in honour not in fact for God does not procreate like a man. The Quran clarifies this point because many misunderstood that point and began worshiping Mary as a God, Afterall if you are the Mother of God you must be God as well or intimate with God as many believed but the Quran explains Jesus was created with a Word.
I hope and pray that God's Spirit continue to guide you and we continue this dialogue.
(19) And they say: “((Allah)) Most Gracious has begotten offspring.” Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour.
( سورة الأنبياء , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #26)4) No son did Allah beget, nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah. (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him!
( سورة المؤمنون , Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #91)(2) Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but Allah Fulfilleth His plan.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #253)As I said before 39,000 denominations but the Quran says this years before Christianity was in the current state.
(2) From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14)These are words of truth, but most don't know.
God bless you and if God is willing may you be guided to know
Hi BD:I have studied the scriptures for 29 years preparing for the office of a Bishop and if I am understanding God correctly, he will shorly install me in this position. There are many doctrines and practices in the church which need to be corrected, and God will use me in this process.
I have studied the Quran, and undoubtedly, Muhammad knew just like I and you know that God does not have a mother or a father. He is eternal. But no, the Quran is not correct in saying that Jesus does not have a Father. God is his Father, but it is not some sexual act, but an act of Love by God for humanity. He (Jesus) is the “Only begotten Son of God”. Jesus is not born of the sperm of man. Call it a miracle if you wish, but certainly, there is nothing to difficult for God.
Also, the Quran is not correct in saying that Jesus was not crucified and that he did not die. No, no, no, if there is not blood shed for our sins, and if Jesus was not raised again from the dead, there is no resurrection from the dead. It is true that no man born of the sperm of man can die for another man. All men born of the sperm of man have sinned, and that includes Muhammad. Jesus did not sin. He is not just any ordinary man. He is God's gift of love to humanity.
And no, God does not force himself on anyone, and I have given you the truth, and so, now you can either choose to believe or not. It is your choice.
If you not believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that God has raised him from the dead, and that the blood that he shed is the propitiation for your sins, then it is impossible for you to have the Holy Spirit dwelling within. God will not dwell in an unclean temple, and the only way for our sins to be washed away is by the precious blood of the lamb of God.
You are free to preach what you want, but this is what the bible states:
Quote 14.Galatians 1:8 (Whole Chapter)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.15.Galatians 1:9 (Whole Chapter)
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,I love you. However, you are about to become a bishop in direct contradiction to what Jesus preached. Jesus did not want any Spiritual Hiearchy that you are apart of.
Matthew 20
25 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. 26 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant.This does not mean that you should have a rank above a believer as it does today, I fear you are becoming part of the problem and putting a divide between Man and God just as the false priests have done before.
You have already admitted that some practices and doctrines of the church need to be corrected and so in that confession you then turn and try to access judgment on others. The Spirit is in you Marty but it has nothing to do with your chuch and you still may grieve it and it leave you.
You have not studied the Quran so why is it that you have lied to me. Do you own a Quran in which you study? No! You just read what others have told you about the Quran. You have NEVER read the entire Quran, so tell me why did you lie?
That's how I know he Holty Spirit did not tell you exactly what you said. Why don't you tell us exactly what the Holy Spirit told you?
Abraham was told to Sacrifice his own son and God did provide a Sacrifice and blood was shed but it wasn't Abraham's son was it?
God is waiting for you, the salvation of your own son is at risk says the Holy Spirit of God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2009,18:47) Hi BD,
Have you always judged God or is this a new thing?
How is it that I have judged God?Hi BD,
God was In Christ who you find a half blind and presumptous prophet.
The Spirit of God was also in Christ in Paul whom you find a liar and a deceiver.Wake up
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 15 2009,16:27) Quote (942767 @ July 15 2009,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,18:44) Quote (942767 @ July 14 2009,14:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:40) Quote (942767 @ July 14 2009,11:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,10:36) Quote (942767 @ July 14 2009,10:17) Hi BD: The following scriptures may help your understanding:
Quote Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:9 For this [is] the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
Quote Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Hbr 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham.And relative to Anti-Christ:
Quote 1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Love in Christ,
Marty
All Muslims believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh so they can't be anti-christ.Genesis 21:12-14 (New King James Version)
12 But God said to Abraham, “Do not let it be displeasing in your sight because of the lad or because of your bondwoman. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice; for in Isaac your seed shall be called. 13 Yet I will also make a nation of the son of the bondwoman, because he is your seed.”then it says:
Genesis 21:19-21 (King James Version)
19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.
When the scripture says that God was with someone it means He was their God.
and Jesus made it clear what happens in apostasy:
Matthew 21:42-44 (King James Version)
42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Now the stone has fallen and it has broken Christianity up into 39,000 sects/denominations
Hi BD:Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the “Only Begotten Son of God”, and so, the scripture that states: “he does not believe the Father and the Son is Anti-Christ”, fits.
Yes, Christianity is divided now, but God will bring us into unity through the 144,000 in this last day.
This is the fruit that the nation to whom Jesus will give the kingdom:
Quote 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. Quote 4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty you don't have to twist the scriptures:1 John 5
1Every one who is believing that Jesus is the Christ, of God he hath been begotten, and every one who is loving Him who did beget, doth love also him who is begotten of Him:Do you understand what this means?
Hi BD:I have not twisted the scriptures, and of course, I know what believing that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God means. I know that I added “the Son of the Living God” to the scripture that you quoted because that is what God has revealed to humanity through the Apostle Peter.
Quote 13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of the Living God. You accuse me of twisting the scriptures, but you want to pick and choose what scriptures you want to quote and believe out of the bible and want to justify this by saying that the scriptures have been corrupted, and while it is true that there are some scriptures that have been altered or even mistranslated, the truth of that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God is plainly shown by the scriptures that are line upon line and precept upon precept beginning from Genesis to Revelation, and the Spirit of God dwelling within me also testifies of this reality.
Quote 1 John 5
1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our[a] faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which[c] He has testified of His Son. 10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life,[d] and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.Love in Christ,
Marty
First of all I do believe that you have the spirit of God and the Spirit will teach you and guide you. I'm sure you didn't know all you know immediately, did you?So the Spirit works with you, it doesn't force you to believe anything. Our belief wasn't much different at all but The Spirit of God taught me and guided me study the Quran and reading it all I understood.
Now we all know that God did not sire Jesus, So if he is called “Son” it is in honour not in fact for God does not procreate like a man. The Quran clarifies this point because many misunderstood that point and began worshiping Mary as a God, Afterall if you are the Mother of God you must be God as well or intimate with God as many believed but the Quran explains Jesus was created with a Word.
I hope and pray that God's Spirit continue to guide you and we continue this dialogue.
(19) And they say: “((Allah)) Most Gracious has begotten offspring.” Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour.
( سورة الأنبياء , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #26)4) No son did Allah beget, nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah. (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him!
( سورة المؤمنون , Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #91)(2) Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but Allah Fulfilleth His plan.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #253)As I said before 39,000 denominations but the Quran says this years before Christianity was in the current state.
(2) From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14)These are words of truth, but most don't know.
God bless you and if God is willing may you be guided to know
Hi BD:I have studied the scriptures for 29 years preparing for the office of a Bishop and if I am understanding God correctly, he will shorly install me in this position. There are many doctrines and practices in the church which need to be corrected, and God will use me in this process.
I have studied the Quran, and undoubtedly, Muhammad knew just like I and you know that God does not have a mother or a father. He is eternal. But no, the Quran is not correct in saying that Jesus does not have a Father. God is his Father, but it is not some sexual act, but an act of Love by God for humanity. He (Jesus) is the “Only begotten Son of God”. Jesus is not born of the sperm of man. Call it a miracle if you wish, but certainly, there is nothing to difficult for God.
Also, the Quran is not correct in saying that Jesus was not crucified and that he did not die. No, no, no, if there is not blood shed for our sins, and if Jesus was not raised again from the dead, there is no resurrection from the dead. It is true that no man born of the sperm of man can die for another man. All men born of the sperm of man have sinned, and that includes Muhammad. Jesus did not sin. He is not just any ordinary man. He is God's gift of love to humanity.
And no, God does not force himself on anyone, and I have given you the truth, and so, now you can either choose to believe or not. It is your choice.
If you not believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that God has raised him from the dead, and that the blood that he shed is the propitiation for your sins, then it is impossible for you to have the Holy Spirit dwelling within. God will not dwell in an unclean temple, and the only way for our sins to be washed away is by the precious blood of the lamb of God.
You are free to preach what you want, but this is what the bible states:
Quote 14.Galatians 1:8 (Whole Chapter)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.15.Galatians 1:9 (Whole Chapter)
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,I love you. However, you are about to become a bishop in direct contradiction to what Jesus preached. Jesus did not want any Spiritual Hiearchy that you are apart of.
Matthew 20
25 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. 26 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant.This does not mean that you should have a rank above a believer as it does today, I fear you are becoming part of the problem and putting a divide between Man and God just as the false priests have done before.
You have already admitted that some practices and doctrines of the church need to be corrected and so in that confession you then turn and try to access judgment on others. The Spirit is in you Marty but it has nothing to do with your chuch and you still may grieve it and it leave you.
You have not studied the Quran so why is it that you have lied to me. Do you own a Quran in which you study? No! You just read what others have told you about the Quran. You have NEVER read the entire Quran, so tell me why did you lie?
That's how I know he Holty Spirit did not tell you exactly what you said. Why don't you tell us exactly what the Holy Spirit told you?
Abraham was told to Sacrifice his own son and God did provide a Sacrifice and blood was shed but it wasn't Abraham's son was it?
God is waiting for you, the salvation of your own son is at risk says the Holy Spirit of God.
Hi BD:I love you too, and that is why I have done my best to share the truth with you.
Relative to my role as Bishop, I am not going to become anything unless God puts me in that position.
But as to the hierarchy this is what the Word of God states:
From Ephesians 4:
Quote 8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Quote 1 Timothy 3
1This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Quote 4To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. 5For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
6If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
10For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
Quote 1 Corinthians 12
1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14For the body is not one member, but many.
15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18But now hath God set the members every on
e of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.19And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
I haven't lied to you. I do have a Quran and I have read through it.
The Holy Spirit told me that the teachings in the Quran that indicate that Jesus is not the Son of God and that he did not die on the cross are false. And so, if these teaching are false, there is no need for me to study the Quran as if it is the Word of God.
You say:
Quote You have already admitted that some practices and doctrines of the church need to be corrected and so in that confession you then turn and try to access judgment on others. The Spirit is in you Marty but it has nothing to do with your chuch and you still may grieve it and it leave you. I am not the judge the Word of God is the judge, and this is what the scripture states: From 2 Timothy:
Quote 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.Quote John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.God has said to me that He will never leave me nor forsake me, and so, why are you trying to sow seeds contrary to what He has said. I can forsake Him, but no, He will never leave me.
And then you say:
Quote Abraham was told to Sacrifice his own son and God did provide a Sacrifice and blood was shed but it wasn't Abraham's son was it? This is what the Word of God states:
Quote Matthew 1
1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of AbrahamAnd then you say:
Quote God is waiting for you, the salvation of your own son is at risk says the Holy Spirit of God. God has spoken to me through a pastor saying that all that he has promised to me 29 years ago will come to pass. God spoke to me in an audible voice (and you are going to say this blasphemy) and told me that my son would be saved. Should I believe God or you?
God is waiting for you to believe Him relative to His giving His Only Begotten Son as a gift to humanity for the salvation of their souls, and I haven't called you a liar, but the Word of God has said it.
From 1 John:
Quote 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. I have shown you my love for you by telling you the truth, and now, I know the dilema that you face if you were become a Christian, but the scripture states:
Matthew 10:
Quote 28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ July 16 2009,11:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 15 2009,16:27) Quote (942767 @ July 15 2009,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,18:44) Quote (942767 @ July 14 2009,14:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:40) Quote (942767 @ July 14 2009,11:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,10:36) Quote (942767 @ July 14 2009,10:17) Hi BD: The following scriptures may help your understanding:
Quote Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:9 For this [is] the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
Quote Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Hbr 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham.And relative to Anti-Christ:
Quote 1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Love in Christ,
Marty
All Muslims believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh so they can't be anti-christ.Genesis 21:12-14 (New King James Version)
12 But God said to Abraham, “Do not let it be displeasing in your sight because of the lad or because of your bondwoman. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice; for in Isaac your seed shall be called. 13 Yet I will also make a nation of the son of the bondwoman, because he is your seed.”then it says:
Genesis 21:19-21 (King James Version)
19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.
When the scripture says that God was with someone it means He was their God.
and Jesus made it clear what happens in apostasy:
Matthew 21:42-44 (King James Version)
42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Now the stone has fallen and it has broken Christianity up into 39,000 sects/denominations
Hi BD:Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the “Only Begotten Son of God”, and so, the scripture that states: “he does not believe the Father and the Son is Anti-Christ”, fits.
Yes, Christianity is divided now, but God will bring us into unity through the 144,000 in this last day.
This is the fruit that the nation to whom Jesus will give the kingdom:
Quote 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. Quote 4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty you don't have to twist the scriptures:1 John 5
1Every one who is believing that Jesus is the Christ, of God he hath been begotten, and every one who is loving Him who did beget, doth love also him who is begotten of Him:Do you understand what this means?
Hi BD:I have not twisted the scriptures, and of course, I know what believing that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God means.
I know that I added “the Son of the Living God” to the scripture that you quoted because that is what God has revealed to humanity through the Apostle Peter.Quote 13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of the Living God. You accuse me of twisting the scriptures, but you want to pick and choose what scriptures you want to quote and believe out of the bible and want to justify this by saying that the scriptures have been corrupted, and while it is true that there are some scriptures that have been altered or even mistranslated, the truth of that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God is plainly shown by the scriptures that are line upon line and precept upon precept beginning from Genesis to Revelation, and the Spirit of God dwelling within me also testifies of this reality.
Quote 1 John 5
1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our[a] faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which[c] He has testified of His Son. 10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life,[d] and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.Love in Christ,
Marty
First of all I do believe that you have the spirit of God and the Spirit will teach you and guide you. I'm sure you didn't know all you know immediately, did you?So the Spirit works with you, it doesn't force you to believe anything. Our belief wasn't much different at all but The Spirit of God taught me and guided me study the Quran and reading it all I understood.
Now we all know that God did not sire Jesus, So if he is called “Son” it is in honour not in fact for God does not procreate like a man. The Quran clarifies this point because many misunderstood that point and began worshiping Mary as a God, Afterall if you are the Mother of God you must be God as well or intimate with God as many believed but the Quran explains Jesus was created with a Word.
I hope and pray that God's Spirit continue to guide you and we continue this dialogue.
(19) And they say: “((Allah)) Most Gracious has begotten offspring.” Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour.
( سورة الأنبياء , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #26)4) No son did Allah beget, nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah. (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him!
( سورة المؤمنون , Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #91)(2) Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but Allah Fulfilleth His plan.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #253)As I said before 39,000 denominations but the Quran says this years before Christianity was in the current state.
(2) From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14)These are words of truth, but most don't know.
God bless you and if God is willing may you be guided to know
Hi BD:I have studied the scriptures for 29 years preparing for the office of a Bishop and if I am understanding God correctly, he will shorly install me in this position. There are many doctrines and practices in the church which need to be corrected, and God will use me in this process.
I have studied the Quran, and undoubtedly, Muhammad knew just like I and you know that God does not have a mother or a father. He is eternal. But no, the Quran is not correct in saying that Jesus does not have a Father. God is his Father, but it is not some sexual act, but an act of Love by God for humanity. He (Jesus) is the “Only begotten Son of God”. Jesus is not born of the sperm of man. Call it a miracle if you wish, but certainly, there is nothing to difficult for God.
Also, the Quran is not correct in saying that Jesus was not crucified and that he did not die. No, no, no, if there is not blood shed for our sins, and if Jesus was not raised again from the dead, there is no resurrection from the dead. It is true that no man born of the sperm of man can die for another man. All men born of the sperm of man have sinned, and that includes Muhammad. Jesus did not sin. He is not just any ordinary man. He is God's gift of love to humanity.
And no, God does not force himself on anyone, and I have given you the truth, and so, now you can either choose to believe or not. It is your choice.
If you not believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that God has raised him from the dead, and that the blood that he shed is the propitiation for your sins, then it is impossible for you to have the Holy Spirit dwelling within. God will not dwell in an unclean temple, and the only way for our sins to be washed away is by the precious blood of the lamb of God.
You are free to preach what you want, but this is what the bible states:
Quote 1
4.Galatians 1:8 (Whole Chapter)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.15.Galatians 1:9 (Whole Chapter)
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,I love you. However, you are about to become a bishop in direct contradiction to what Jesus preached. Jesus did not want any Spiritual Hiearchy that you are apart of.
Matthew 20
25 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. 26 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant.This does not mean that you should have a rank above a believer as it does today, I fear you are becoming part of the problem and putting a divide between Man and God just as the false priests have done before.
You have already admitted that some practices and doctrines of the church need to be corrected and so in that confession you then turn and try to access judgment on others. The Spirit is in you Marty but it has nothing to do with your chuch and you still may grieve it and it leave you.
You have not studied the Quran so why is it that you have lied to me. Do you own a Quran in which you study? No! You just read what others have told you about the Quran. You have NEVER read the entire Quran, so tell me why did you lie?
That's how I know he Holty Spirit did not tell you exactly what you said. Why don't you tell us exactly what the Holy Spirit told you?
Abraham was told to Sacrifice his own son and God did provide a Sacrifice and blood was shed but it wasn't Abraham's son was it?
God is waiting for you, the salvation of your own son is at risk says the Holy Spirit of God.
Hi BD:I love you too, and that is why I have done my best to share the truth with you.
Relative to my role as Bishop, I am not going to become anything unless God puts me in that position.
But as to the hierarchy this is what the Word of God states:
From Ephesians 4:
Quote 8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Quote 1 Timothy 3
1This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Quote 4To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. 5For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
6If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
10For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
Quote 1 Corinthians 12
1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14For the body is not one member, but many.
15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am no
t of the body; is it therefore not of the body?17If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
I haven't lied to you. I do have a Quran and I have read through it.
The Holy Spirit told me that the teachings in the Quran that indicate that Jesus is not the Son of God and that he did not die on the cross are false. And so, if these teaching are false, there is no need for me to study the Quran as if it is the Word of God.
You say:
Quote You have already admitted that some practices and doctrines of the church need to be corrected and so in that confession you then turn and try to access judgment on others. The Spirit is in you Marty but it has nothing to do with your chuch and you still may grieve it and it leave you. I am not the judge the Word of God is the judge, and this is what the scripture states: From 2 Timothy:
Quote 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.Quote John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.God has said to me that He will never leave me nor forsake me, and so, why are you trying to sow seeds contrary to what He has said. I can forsake Him, but no, He will never leave me.
And then you say:
Quote Abraham was told to Sacrifice his own son and God did provide a Sacrifice and blood was shed but it wasn't Abraham's son was it? This is what the Word of God states:
Quote Matthew 1
1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of AbrahamAnd then you say:
Quote God is waiting for you, the salvation of your own son is at risk says the Holy Spirit of God. God has spoken to me through a pastor saying that all that he has promised to me 29 years ago will come to pass. God spoke to me in an audible voice (and you are going to say this blasphemy) and told me that my son would be saved. Should I believe God or you?
God is waiting for you to believe Him relative to His giving His Only Begotten Son as a gift to humanity for the salvation of their souls, and I haven't called you a liar, but the Word of God has said it.
From 1 John:
Quote 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. I have shown you my love for you by telling you the truth, and now, I know the dilema that you face if you were become a Christian, but the scripture states:
Matthew 10:
Quote 28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Love in Christ,
Marty
I am a Christian and have been for 35 years and hence God has taught me the entire time and when I humjbled myself completely he taught me how to Submit in Peace to Him.He gave me 3 years of intense study and was with me in a way which I am sure you can appreciate since He spoke to you in an audible voice which I best describe as being so audible it is as if you are entirely present in the Lord God, it was so strange to me that at one point I asked God to stop talking to me because I thought it just might be me convincing myself and when he did stop at that time I tried to emulate my communication with him by simply trying to put his words in my head as if they were coming from Him and that is when I realized that it was indeed GOD talking to me.
Immediately. I begged for His presense to return and he let me wait about 24 hours so I could thoroughly understand and then after that He returned. But this is the best part. I was sent out by God and coming from the U.S. I went by the LORD's command to Canada to preach about the Glory of God, I had no money and I slept in the park about one week, it was after about 4 days when I questioned whether God was with me or if it was just me and when God disconnected to show me I was immediately terrified because it was like I suddenly realized I was in another country with no money.
I went to a Christian Church for assistance and they told me they could not help me and that I should get government assistance (I just wanted a ride to the border or bus fare) I went to a second Church and the same thing no help and then I went to the Salvation Army of Canada and still they said “we can't help you” Now when I went back to the beautiful Park I had been stayi
ng at I met a Muslim Family and asked them where I might find a Mosque, I had never been to one before but I needed some help so I went there and something intersting occured first of all there happened to be someone there who was sleeping and they allowed me to come in an offered me a cot to sleep, they didn't ask me was I a Muslim or anything they just offered me rest when I awoke there were two individuals who came to me with food as if they were angels they were even dressed in white flowing garments they simply gave the food and left.What I did not know at the time is that Muslims congregate on Friday afternoon and it happened to be that day so as I was preparing to leave I noticed people slowly coming in and praying quietly and randomnly and it was a curious sight and as the Mosque was filling it still remained Quite and prayerful and soon it was full and I was already there and as I noticed in some churches people seek to find there own space but in the Mosque they seek to close the gaps that everyone is elbow to elbow.
When the prayer leader(Islam has no priests or Hiearchy) read out of the Quran he did so in Arabic in almost a singing way and although I did not what he was saying that is the moment when God returned to me and tears streamed down my face.
Yes, God Is REAL. No one can Grasp ALL of His greatness nor can they know His mind.
May God Bless you always and your son!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2009,14:09) Hi BD,
If you know God is real why do you not respond to the message He sent through His Son{jn3]?
Either you haven't been listening to me or you can't listen to me, either way, God Bless you!Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2009,14:18) Hi BD,
False messages are often dressed in human warmth.
What is written is eternal
You don't see what is written, you just see parts and that's okay.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2009,14:31) Hi BD,
Why add to what God has given?
Why do you limit what God can and has done?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2009,15:31) Hi BD,
No need for new gospels.
They are anathema[gal1]
What do you mean Paul introduced his own gospel.Romans 2 (King James Version)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans 16:24-26 (King James Version)
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
2 Timothy 2:7-9 (King James Version)
7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
9Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
Hi BD,
He was gven the task of reconciling men to God and the one who warned men off other gospels was bearing the same eternal one of Jesus Christ crucified.But then you cannot believe that
Hi BD:
The following verses are central to Christianity, and if you are a Christian, you would believe God's testimony regarding Him giving his Son to be the propitation for our sins.
Quote Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
If you are preaching another gospel other than this one, no, you aren't a Christian. You can be. God loves you and so do I, but without the blood to wash away your sins, no, you aren't a Christian.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ July 16 2009,16:21) Hi BD: The following verses are central to Christianity, and if you are a Christian, you would believe God's testimony regarding Him giving his Son to be the propitation for our sins.
Quote Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
If you are preaching another gospel other than this one, no, you aren't a Christian. You can be. God loves you and so do I, but without the blood to wash away your sins, no, you aren't a Christian.
Love in Christ,
Marty
What if you really love Jesus more then your own salvation?Quote (bodhitharta @ July 16 2009,16:23) Quote (942767 @ July 16 2009,16:21) Hi BD: The following verses are central to Christianity, and if you are a Christian, you would believe God's testimony regarding Him giving his Son to be the propitation for our sins.
Quote Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
If you are preaching another gospel other than this one, no, you aren't a Christian. You can be. God loves you and so do I, but without the blood to wash away your sins, no, you aren't a Christian.
Love in Christ,
Marty
What if you really love Jesus more then your own salvation?
Hi BD:Do you? How then do you show your love for him?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ July 17 2009,11:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 16 2009,16:23) Quote (942767 @ July 16 2009,16:21) Hi BD: The following verses are central to Christianity, and if you are a Christian, you would believe God's testimony regarding Him giving his Son to be the propitation for our sins.
Quote Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
If you are preaching another gospel other than this one, no, you aren't a Christian. You can be. God loves you and so do I, but without the blood to wash away your sins, no, you aren't a Christian.
Love in Christ,
Marty
What if you really love Jesus more then your own salvation?
Hi BD:Do you? How then do you show your love for him?
Love in Christ,
Marty
By being truthful and being bold about it.There is no need to shed blood for atonement, NONE
You don't understand the scriptures. And there is no where in the entire Bible where the shedding of innocent human blood is condoned.
If you are preparing to be a bishop and you are talking about the rituals of sacrifice and atonement I suggest you study the scriptures your knowledge in that area is severely lacking.
God even taught the Israelites that when they were away from their land or captives that they shall give the sacrifice of their lips and face Jerusalem and ask for forgiveness.
Study, Study, Study
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