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Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,21:03) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,20:44) bodhitharta said: Quote When God uses olam it means as Far as He can see and that would mean without end. Wrong! The word “olam” is used in reference to Christ's rule over the house of Jacob. But Paul said “then comes the end when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to the Father.”
You are blatantly denying that Sarah asked Abraham to cast out Ishmael and God told Abraham to do what Sarah said and he did it. You blatantly deny that God called Isaac Abraham's “ONLY son” after that. You blatantly deny that God said that He was the God of Isaac (not Ishmael).
thinker
Why does the scripture say that God was with Ishmael?In-fact if God is not the God of Ishmael then why didn't He let Hagar and Ishmael die in the desert? God helped them and once again promised blessings to Ishmael.
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
BTW, So you don't believe that God is the Everlasting God?
The same word olam is used in reference to God also.
God promised no covenant blessings to Ishmael. Show me that Ishmael is an heir of salvation. He was NOT an heir of salvation.You ignored my point that the kingdom came to an end. Yet the word “olam” was used to speak of its duration. Are you going to answer or not? I believe that God is everlasting but the word “olam” does not prove it.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,21:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,21:03) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,20:44) bodhitharta said: Quote When God uses olam it means as Far as He can see and that would mean without end. Wrong! The word “olam” is used in reference to Christ's rule over the house of Jacob. But Paul said “then comes the end when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to the Father.”
You are blatantly denying that Sarah asked Abraham to cast out Ishmael and God told Abraham to do what Sarah said and he did it. You blatantly deny that God called Isaac Abraham's “ONLY son” after that. You blatantly deny that God said that He was the God of Isaac (not Ishmael).
thinker
Why does the scripture say that God was with Ishmael?In-fact if God is not the God of Ishmael then why didn't He let Hagar and Ishmael die in the desert? God helped them and once again promised blessings to Ishmael.
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
BTW, So you don't believe that God is the Everlasting God?
The same word olam is used in reference to God also.
God promised no covenant blessings to Ishmael. Show me that Ishmael is an heir of salvation. He was NOT an heir of salvation.You ignored my point that the kingdom came to an end. Yet the word “olam” was used to speak of its duration. Are you going to answer or not? I believe that God is everlasting but the word “olam” does not prove it.
thinker
There is no such thing as an heir to salvation, you inherit salvation through Faith in God, not by flesh or heritage.What kingdom came to an end it doesn't say that the kingdom comes to an end it says then the end will come. The kingdom itself never ends.
So what word would prove that God is Everlasting?
Hi BD,
King Jesus will rule from the throne of David till all is brought to order.
The King you find fault with you will stand before.Where will your rebellious religion find a place in this kingdom
Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,21:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2009,21:03) Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,20:44) bodhitharta said: Quote When God uses olam it means as Far as He can see and that would mean without end. Wrong! The word “olam” is used in reference to Christ's rule over the house of Jacob. But Paul said “then comes the end when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to the Father.”
You are blatantly denying that Sarah asked Abraham to cast out Ishmael and God told Abraham to do what Sarah said and he did it. You blatantly deny that God called Isaac Abraham's “ONLY son” after that. You blatantly deny that God said that He was the God of Isaac (not Ishmael).
thinker
Why does the scripture say that God was with Ishmael?In-fact if God is not the God of Ishmael then why didn't He let Hagar and Ishmael die in the desert? God helped them and once again promised blessings to Ishmael.
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
BTW, So you don't believe that God is the Everlasting God?
The same word olam is used in reference to God also.
God promised no covenant blessings to Ishmael. Show me that Ishmael is an heir of salvation. He was NOT an heir of salvation.You ignored my point that the kingdom came to an end. Yet the word “olam” was used to speak of its duration. Are you going to answer or not? I believe that God is everlasting but the word “olam” does not prove it.
thinker
Genesis 21:16-18 (New King James Version)
16 Then she went and sat down across from him at a distance of about a bowshot; for she said to herself, “Let me not see the death of the boy.” So she sat opposite him, and lifted her voice and wept.
17 And God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, “What ails you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is. 18 Arise, lift up the lad and hold him with your hand, for I will make him a great nation.”Genesis 21
12 But God said to Abraham, “Do not let it be displeasing in your sight because of the lad or because of your bondwoman. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice; for in Isaac your seed shall be called. 13 Yet I will also make a nation of the son of the bondwoman, because he is your seed.”
19 Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water. And she went and filled the skin with water, and gave the lad a drink. 20 So God was with the lad; and he grew and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. 21 He dwelt in the Wilderness of Paran; and his mother took a wife for him from the land of Egypt.
God was with him after they were “cast out” God does not cast people out of a covenant because they have to leave a place. The proof is the scripture says that God was with him.
Allah was with him the same Allah that blessed Isaac.
Exodus 22: (New King James Version)
22 “You shall not afflict any widow or fatherless child. 23 If you afflict them in any way, and they cry at all to Me, I will surely hear their cry;
Deuteronomy 10:17-19 (New King James Version)
17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe. 18 He administers justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the stranger, giving him food and clothing. 19 Therefore love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.Deuteronomy 27: (New King James Version)
19 ‘Cursed is the one who perverts the justice due the stranger, the fatherless, and widow.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’Psalm 10: (New King James Version)
14 But You have seen, for You observe trouble and grief,
To repay it by Your hand.
The helpless commits himself to You;
You are the helper of the fatherless.Psalm 68:4-6 (New King James Version)
4 Sing to God, sing praises to His name;
Extol Him who rides on the clouds,[a]
By His name YAH,
And rejoice before Him.5 A father of the fatherless, a defender of widows,
Is God in His holy habitation.Hosea 14:2-4 (New King James Version)
2 Take words with you,
And return to the LORD.
Say to Him,“ Take away all iniquity;
Receive us graciously,
For we will offer the sacrifices[a] of our lips.
3 Assyria shall not save us,
We will not ride on horses,
Nor will we say anymore to the work of our hands, ‘You are our gods.’
For in You the fatherless finds mercy.”It seems to me that I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do not know God at all.
Tbodhitharta said:
Quote here is no such thing as an heir to salvation, you inherit salvation through Faith in God, not by flesh or heritage. What kingdom came to an end it doesn't say that the kingdom comes to an end it says then the end will come. The kingdom itself never ends.
So what word would prove that God is Everlasting?
Galatians 4 says that Isaac was an heir of salvation. He was an heir BEFORE he was born. The “end” that came was Christ's rule over the house of Jacob which according to your treatment of “olam” should be forever. I infer that God is everlasting because He is God.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 12 2009,22:10) Tbodhitharta said: Quote here is no such thing as an heir to salvation, you inherit salvation through Faith in God, not by flesh or heritage. What kingdom came to an end it doesn't say that the kingdom comes to an end it says then the end will come. The kingdom itself never ends.
So what word would prove that God is Everlasting?
Galatians 4 says that Isaac was an heir of salvation. He was an heir BEFORE he was born. The “end” that came was Christ's rule over the house of Jacob which according to your treatment of “olam” should be forever. I infer that God is everlasting because He is God.
thinker
It is your belief then that God is not with the fatherless and lied to Hagar.You should have been a corrupt scribe I believe you would have been much more thorough in removing Ishmael out of the scriptures completely.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,07:30) Hi BD,
So you follow Ishmael?Did he write much or offer salvation?
I Follow the religion of Abraham, if you understood the scripture Jesus is the promise fulfilled for Abraham.Leaving Ishmael out is leaving a seed of Abrahamm out.
I follow PURE MONOTHEISM
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,11:16) Hi BD,
Why not follow it?
His work was not to attack the Spirit of God was it?
No and neither do IYes BD ,
To give to you because you find fault with God's words and actions through His servants and feel no twinge of conscience?
Do you not fear God?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,12:22) Yes BD ,
To give to you because you find fault with God's words and actions through His servants and feel no twinge of conscience?
Do you not fear God?
I do not fear man.Hi BD,
Why should anyone fear man?
So you do not fear God?Fear Him who has the power to destroy body and soul in the fire-mt10
He sent His Son, the chosen one, and told us to listen to him.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,12:38) Hi BD,
Why should anyone fear man?
So you do not fear God?Fear Him who has the power to destroy body and soul in the fire-mt10
He sent His Son, the chosen one, and told us to listen to him.
You made my point for me, thanx
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