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Terrarica said:
Quote what you say is only half a truth ,you do not believe in God messenger Paul and so we do not believe in the same things right
YESI said:
Quote Terrarica, this is a lie against me and I would like you to take it back. You have repeated this in three places now. I have not ever said that i do not believe in, and agree with, Paul.
I said that I do not like to debate Paul's words because as Peter has said people twist His words.
So are you going to take this back:
Quote — what you say is only half a truth ,you do not believe in God messenger Paul — Unquote
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It seems that a few members here are accusing me of not believing in Paul and this is not true and so I would like others to acknowledge that I do believe in Paul and that they are misunderstanding what I said. Thank-you.
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it is strange that you do not show you quote to witch I have answered my comment ,unless you have erased it
I was not the only one that read your comment about Paul books to difficult to understand and so stay away from it ,remember there is always two sides on a coin
i found it ,the quote that i respond to;
Quote 2besee Group: Members
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Hi Mike,I feel like you are ignoring the 'key points I have shown you' and are instead going onto the smaller things and not only that but you are also doing the exact opposite of what I requested.
I requested that you do not bring Paul into this. We are saved by the words of Jesus not necessarily PAUL'S WORDS – ESPECIALLY if they go against the very words of Jesus. Have you ever looked at the contradictions between Jesus' words and Paul's words? Have you ever got into a debate with someone who says that PAUL said that the commandments of God were done away with? Well, that is just one example. Jesus never said that.
So much more that I could get into with Paul.
But that is another topic which I will save because no-one would hear me anyway and I have no intent on making anyone see my point of view regarding Paul. Each to their own.As for this discussion…No PAUL in it, thank-you.
All that we need is the words of Jesus who is supposed to be our only teacher, and the Apostles whom he sent.
As I said, I saw this years ago – several years ago – when I first picked up the scriptures and read them.
It is purely coincidental that Paul's words not quite fitting into what I have come to see.
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Hi T, oh very good!
Can you show me anywhere in the above quote where I have said that I do not believe in Paul, or disagree with Paul?
The closest that I got was in saying that there are contradictions, and there are.
Have you ever looked into it?
I have.
However, I disagree with many that Paul was a false Apostle.
Instead I understand Peter:'Count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation.
So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
speaking of this as he does in all his letters.
There are some things in them HARD TO UNDERSTAND, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability.
But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.There are things in Paul that are hard to understand. I am not scared to admit that.
Try Googling 'Paul False Apostle'
NOT that I agree – only saying that I have looked into it. There are, as Peter says, 'some things which are hard to understand which the lawless twist – as they do all of the scriptures' – I have seen it, I believe it. It is what some people do, T.
IF your 'calling' was to help Muslims to see truth, do you know that Muslims would accept Jesus' words before they would ever accept Paul's words – because Muslims see Paul as a false Apostle.
If it meant only saying the words of Jesus to save a soul, could you do that? Even if in your heart you knew that Paul was true?
Jesus said to be 'wise as the serpents, and simple as doves'.
Paul said himself in 1Cor 9:20-22:
'To the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.For the record, I hold many of Paul's words close to my heart.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 28 2012,13:30) And the minute that you give them JESUS' WORDS they twist those!
but did not the apostles said this and Christ also foretold this yes they all did why then should the true Christian be bothered with it
true Christians know their master ,
and so know whom they serve ,
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 28 2012,13:51) IF your 'calling' was to help Muslims to see truth, do you know that Muslims would accept Jesus' words before they would ever accept Paul's words – because Muslims see Paul as a false Apostle. If it meant only saying the words of Jesus to save a soul, could you do that? Even if in your heart you knew that Paul was true?
Jesus said to be 'wise as the serpents, and simple as doves'.
Paul said himself in 1Cor 9:20-22:
'To the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.For the record, I hold many of Paul's words close to my heart.
2bbeQuote IF your 'calling' was to help Muslims to see truth, do you know that Muslims would accept Jesus' words before they would ever accept Paul's words – because Muslims see Paul as a false Apostle. in my understanding the calling is done through the scriptures ,and the ones that uses the scriptures and that distribute them are well paid in $$ back ,as soon that a person (the receiver)open the scriptures he will react to the message if he is true in his heart , the scriptures are an open letter from God the almighty creator of all ,and so calls all ,but not on our own terms BUT HIS TERMS ,
I have never read in scriptures that there is a caller for this and that ;ONLY KNOW ONE THAT WAS SEND TO THE GENTILES ,THIS MEANS TO THE REST OF THE WORLD THAT HIS NOT THE JEWISH PEOPLE ,
if the Muslims do accept Christ they will accept Paul and Jehovah God without any restriction ,or they are either infants in their knowledge or lying ,because how can a true believer reject any of God s messengers
and so not reject the originator of the message sender to them Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2012,03:51) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 28 2012,13:30) And the minute that you give them JESUS' WORDS they twist those!
but did not the apostles said this and Christ also foretold this yes they all did why then should the true Christian be bothered with it
true Christians know their master ,
and so know whom they serve ,
T, yes, but some have become blind and they will not see, regardless of what is shown, even the words of the Lord.Quote if the Muslims do accept Christ they will accept Paul and Jehovah God without any restriction ,or they are either infants in their knowledge or lying ,because how can a true believer reject any of God s messengers and so not reject the originator of the message sender to them Not true T.
Have you heard how long it can take for a Muslim to change to Christianity? it is not always an “instant process”, often it can take several years.Quote (2besee @ Dec. 29 2012,04:37) Quote if the Muslims do accept Christ they will accept Paul and Jehovah God without any restriction ,or they are either infants in their knowledge or lying ,because how can a true believer reject any of God s messengers and so not reject the originator of the message sender to them Not true T.
Have you heard how long it can take for a Muslim to change to Christianity? it is not always an “instant process”, often it can take several years.
2beyes it is true ;the time it take from infancy to maturity is irrelevant this is what I say ;
but to come to Christ does not take much time ,it took less than an hour to the thief on the cross next to Jesus,
I am not talking to make from Muslim to Catholic or Protestant, or Orthodox ,BUT TO BE A TRUE CHRISTIAN IN TRUTH
Hi T.
Many Muslims are different.
I read a report once, don't know where to find it now, but it explained how quite often it can take a Muslim several years (and a preacher several years of talking) to help a Muslim to actually come into the truth.
Not all but many – on average.
And this was coming from people who lived and worked among them.Anyway the way that I see it, Paul himself said that he became many different people to many different types.
Anything to save a person.Can we close this thread now?
I believe in all of the words of Paul – but I do not agree with some peoples interpretation of his words, and I find some things that he says hard to understand as even Peter said – and so the things that I find hard to understand I leave alone.
Okay?
God bless you.Quote (2besee @ Dec. 29 2012,09:52) Hi T.
Many Muslims are different.
I read a report once, don't know where to find it now, but it explained how quite often it can take a Muslim several years (and a preacher several years of talking) to help a Muslim to actually come into the truth.
Not all but many – on average.
And this was coming from people who lived and worked among them.Anyway the way that I see it, Paul himself said that he became many different people to many different types.
Anything to save a person.Can we close this thread now?
I believe in all of the words of Paul – but I do not agree with some peoples interpretation of his words, and I find some things that he says hard to understand as even Peter said – and so the things that I find hard to understand I leave alone.
Okay?
God bless you.
yes ,as you which let close it ;it is now clear the reason why ,
love you in Christ
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