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Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,15:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,10:31) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,06:11) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 09 2009,04:40) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,09:33) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2009,17:54) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,07:21) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,11:16) peace2all wrote: Quote we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.
I disagree as Jesus did state that “when a Son sets you free you are free indeed” and when prompted about it he answered “anyone who sins is a servant of sin“. If you continue to sin then it is obvious that you have not been set free from being a servant to sin. That is why John in his first letter writes to the student of Jesus “if anyone does sin” showing that believers may or may not sin. He obviously does not use the word “when”. If you do fall to one of Satan’s traps then do not wallow in it but instead confess and repent of your sins and then get up and set your mind back on being righteous as God is righteous. I assure you all things are possible through God including overcoming your sins.
peace2all wrote:
Quote jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
Animal sacrifice accomplished that goal. Do you believe Jesus died only to save animals?
I challenge you to find the answer to what is accomplished by walking according to the ways of the Spirit. Some interpretations use the word “living” instead of “walking”.
we are not sin free, if we keep doing sinful things tehn we are detestable in gods eye. that why if we repent and try to d oright we are forving. man will stumble as god knows.you and BOD mus tthink you cannot sin i guess. WOW. the only person besides you called that was god's son jesus christ.
The question is do you believe Jesus when he stated that he will really set you free from being a servant of sin. Paul clearly backs up the words of Jesus by stating that when you are baptized in the Anointed One you are set free of being a servant of sin and made a servant of righteousness. John 8 and Romans 6 respectively.I admit that is a hard teaching to acccept but I also admit all things are possible through God.
We are also taught that those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit do not sin. This is the spirit we receive when we enter the new covenant and we enter that covenant when we are baptized. It is through faith we live by that spirit and God will do his part.
Do you believe Jesus when he promised the holy spirit with these words, “Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled”?
I assure you God will do what he promised through his son for all those who seek him.
what i mean is that our dominion of sin is no longer. one can still fallshort and stumble, having done things not good in gods eye's because we are still imperfect, that is why we need to ask god for forgiveness and if we mean it and try to continue to do right by god, he will.we do not get a free pass to continue to do things destestable to god. we can still be held accountable today if one chooses to continue to d ounrighous things.
however the new law thru jesus gives us a chance to enter god's kingsom.
there still is a thing called sin. it does not rule us as is did to adam on down before jesus cleansed us with his blood.
Is there a new law?
yes there is.
what happened to adam & eve and the rest of the offspring?they were cut off from eden, god's plan for mankind, his way, his kingdom ruleship was waht is was supposed to be within the beginning.
when the sin law was made by them, they were cut off from that.
after jesus had come to earth and taught us and showed us what god's will was and then was murdered his ransom sacrifice made it possible again.
it made the sins a forgivable thing if we repent and that we now can have access god's kingdom again how it was started off in the begininig. his plan for what he wanted for man hasn't changed but the laws regarding our salvation have.
So you can go to eden now?
paradise earth my friend, thats god's plan from the beginning.
man on earth living forever in peace and security under his ruleship. no sickness and death. no hate or war.eden , paradise earth, whatever BOD. don't matter you will deny it anyway.
Regardless of whether bodhitharta believes or denies it, does it mean you should lower yourself to poor attitude to reflect the christain light?Things to meditate on maybe?
Adam's Sin and Death in Jewish Theology
Jewish writings current in and around Paul's day do address the question of sin and death.
The Wisdom of Sirach, for example, traces death to Eve's first sin: “Sin began with a woman, and because of her we all die” (25:24).
Mortality and death are a given in the human realm (17:1-3; 41:1-4).
Nevertheless, the capacity of humankind to freely choose 'elohim and life are affirmed (15:15-17).
Fourth Ezra traces physical death to 'elohim's punishment of Adam, and indicates that all of his descendants sinned as Adam did (3:7-10, 20-22).
Similarly, in 7:46-49, “Ezra” proclaims that though it was Adam who sinned, the calamity was not his alone, but his descendants' as well.
On the other hand, “Ezra” is immediately corrected by 'elohim's angel, who states that each person is able to choose life and receive salvation (7:57-61).
According to 2 Baruch, Adam not only lost paradise (4:3); his transgression also “brought death and cut off the years of those who were born from him” (17:4).
Similarly, 23:4 states that “when Adam sinned and death was decreed against those who were to be born, the multitude of those who would be born was numbered.”
And according to 56:6:
For when he transgressed, untimely death came into being, mourning was mentioned, affliction was prepared, illness was created, labor accomplished, pride began to come into existence, the realm of death began to ask to be renewed with blood, the conception of children came about, the passion of the parents was produced, the loftiness of men was humiliated, and goodness vanished.
Nevertheless, 18:2 implies that people have a choice to follow Adam: “But many whom he [Moses] illuminated took from the darkness of Adam and did not rejoice in the light of the lamp.”
Physical death became a reality after Adam's transgression, but humankind's capacity to live correctly, apparently, had not been removed.
Finally, in 54:14-19 we read that although physical death is the common plight of everyone, nevertheless personal judgment depends upon our own choices:
And those who do not love your Law are justly perishing.
And the torment of judgment will fall upon those who have not subjected themselves to your power.
For, although Adam sinned first and has brought death upon all who were not in his own time, yet each of them who has been born from him has prepared for himself the coming torment.
And further, each of them has chosen for himself the coming glory.
For truly, the one who believes will receive reward.
But now, turn yourselves to destruction, you unrigheous ones who are living now, for you will be visited suddenly, since you have once rejected the understanding of the Most High.
For his works have not taught you, nor has the artful work of his creation which has existed always persuaded you.
Adam is, therefore, not the cause, except only for himself, but each of us has become our own Adam (54:14-19, emphasis mine).
In summary, 'elohim's judgment following Adam's transgression resulted in physical death, what we might consider “the first death,” for all of Adam's descendants.
Nevertheless, each of his descendants retains the ability to respond to 'elohim's offer of life and live according to His ways.
Eternal punishment for sin depends on individuals alone, who become, as it were, their “own Adam” when they disobey 'elohim.
Hi CON,
Obedient belief in God and Jesus means men CAN BECOME sons of God.
But half of the bridesmaids were shut out of the wedding feast.The Jewish view, that physical death is the result of Adam's transgression, meshes nicely with Paul's language in 1Corinthians 15, a text which we may consider an “interpretative key” for Romans 5:12-21.
In 1Corinthians 15:21-23, Paul writes:
For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
For as in Adam all die, so in the Messiah all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: the Messiah, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him (NIV).
Paul's meaning here would seem beyond dispute.
He certainly does not have “spiritual death” in mind here. Nor does he have “eternal death” in mind. The “death” of which he writes is the physical (first) death which is reversed in “the resurrection of the dead” through the Messiah.
Consider how this “physical death” interpretation fits Romans 5:12-21.
First, it helps to explain the “condemnation” described in verses 16 and 18.
There Paul writes that “The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation” and “the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men” (NIV).
The effects of this condemnation are reversed in the Messiah.
What was this “condemnation” if not Adam's separation from the source of life, “the tree of life” (Gen. 2:9)?
There is no indication in Genesis 1-3 that Adam was created immortal.
The burden of proof for this point rests with those who teach he was, since we cannot prove a negative.
If anything, the certainty of Adam's physical death (Gen. 3:19,23) seems tied to the fact not that his “nature” was transformed, but that he was separated from the one resource that would enable him to stave off physical death.
The death of his descendants was then assured, since this resource was henceforth denied to humankind (3:24).
Like Adam, we also are born mortal; but without access to “the tree of life” we are doomed to physical death, a death that can be undone only in the Messiah who is life.
The best way to read Romans 5:12-21 is with the condemnation of physical death in view.
How, then, is this condemnation tied to our sinfulness (v. 19)?
If this interpretation of “condemnation” is correct, then a death which comes to all “because all sinned” can hardly be physical death, since that condemnation comes anyway regardless of our behavior (vv. 14,16,18).
But there is another way to render the eph ho of 5:12: “With the result that” or “so that.” In which case the verse reads:
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men with the result that all sinned.
We may interpret this to mean that the physical death which entered the world after Adam's sin culminated ultimately in the sin of all individuals.
To say that “through the disobedience of the one the many were made sinners” (NIV), therefore, is to say that “sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men with the result that all sinned.”
In what way does the reality and certainty of physical death and decay precipitate human sin? Paul's anthropology may help to explain this idea.
Describing Paul's use of the word “flesh,” for instance:
Translations like “unspiritual nature” and “sinful nature” give a misleading and falsely dualistic overtone to Paul's usage.
Flesh for Paul was neither unspiritual nor sinful.
The term simply indicated and characterized the weakness of a humanity constituted as flesh and always vulnerable to the manipulation of its desires and needs as flesh.
The one positive contribution which the theology of Judaism may be held to make, towards filling up the lacuna in Paul's statements, is the doctrine of the yezer hara, the evil impulse common to the race with Adam.
But this was held to have been in Adam prior to his fall. . . (cf. 4 Ezra iii.26).
Paul does not anywhere reproduce this doctrine, but he has his own characteristic equivalent for it in the psychology of Rom. vii., which would apply to Adam as well as to the apostle himself.
In the light of this latter passage, which makes every man the Adam of his own soul, without reference to any corrupting influence within man's nature other than his fleshly weakness, we do not seem to be justified in ascribing to Paul in Rom. v. 12-21 any further idea of the direct influence of Adam's act upon racial sin than belongs externally to the example and unique place in history of that act.
The fountain of the ever, deepening stream of actual evil within human nature is the corruptibility (rather than the corruption) of the flesh, a corruptibility which we share with Adam by nature (cf. I Cor. xv. 45), quite apart from the historic act which first revealed it.
Such thoughts as these may well have lain in the background of Paul's mind.
This understanding of human mortality and weakness would seem sufficient to explain Paul's language.
To attribute condemnation to an inborn, depraved morality is unjustified. Indeed, moral responsibility implies the capacity to recognize the difference between good and evil, which Scripture clearly denies the youngest of infants (Deut. 1:39; Isa. 7:15,16).
That infants are born in a sinful state or even guilty of someone else's sin is foreign to Paul's thought in Romans 5:12-21, which is all about the the affliction of physical death and its reversal through the Messiah (cp. 1 Cor. 15:21-23).
What are the ramifications of this view of sin?
Not only is the fundamental freedom of the human will unequivocally affirmed, but personal responsibility for sin, as well as the justice of 'elohim, are also affirmed.
We are born with limitations and weaknesses, true; but they are not of such a nature as to prevent us from making our own moral choices and suffering the consequences of our own personal sin.
As it is, humankind universally has “given in” to the weakness of “the flesh” and turned from 'elohim.
Indeed, Scripture frequently asserts that all humankind has “strayed” from 'elohim (cf. Isa. 53:6; 1 Pet. 2:25).
“Owning up” to our personal shortcomings and sins, however, we have the opportunity to respond to 'elohim's gift of eternal life in Yeshua HaMoshiach who reverses the effects of sin and death.
And that's the whole point of the gospel.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 09 2009,01:38) Hi CON,
Obedient belief in God and Jesus means men CAN BECOME sons of God.
But half of the bridesmaids were shut out of the wedding feast.
Because the bridesmaids were disobedient.Constitutionalist,
How does the spirit as in spirit of righteousness effect a person?
Would it be correct to state the spirit one has affects their worldview and thus their actions?
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2009,02:05) Constitutionalist, How does the spirit as in spirit of righteousness effect a person?
Would it be correct to state the spirit one has affects their worldview and thus their actions?
Absolutly, I think thats why when most take on this spirit of righteousness they see the world in a different view. I see the world as continually being evil. I imagine if I did not have the spirit the evil in this world would go unnoticed or be fogged over.That is my personal opinion.
peace2all wrote:
Quote what i mean is that our dominion of sin is no longer. one can still fall short and stumble, having done things not good in gods eye's because we are still imperfect, that is why we need to ask god for forgiveness and if we mean it and try to continue to do right by god, he will.
Words are important in relation to faith and it is necessary that we believe we can and will stop sinning by the power of God. It is also important to realize that God understands that one can be immature and still learning to walk according to the Spirit of righteousness and that God is patient and willing to suffer our sins as long as we strive to overcome. He does not leave us on our own but is willing and able to give us everything we require to overcome. It is up to us to ask him, seek for an opportunity, and take advantage of those opportunities to do his will when they come.
Human effort is doomed to failure but the power of God can and will overcome if you put your trust in Jesus and all his teachings and so in God.
Oh another point, Job saw the world as evil, King David saw the world as vain and evil, Moses as well, I guess if you looked at scripture and tried to see the world through their eyes it would not be pretty, but in the same token we can be enlighten by their outlook on the future.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2009,02:18) peace2all wrote: Quote what i mean is that our dominion of sin is no longer. one can still fall short and stumble, having done things not good in gods eye's because we are still imperfect, that is why we need to ask god for forgiveness and if we mean it and try to continue to do right by god, he will.
Words are important in relation to faith and it is necessary that we believe we can and will stop sinning by the power of God. It is also important to realize that God understands that one can be immature and still learning to walk according to the Spirit of righteousness and that God is patient and willing to suffer our sins as long as we strive to overcome. He does not leave us on our own but is willing and able to give us everything we require to overcome. It is up to us to ask him, seek for an opportunity, and take advantage of those opportunities to do his will when they come.
Human effort is doomed to failure but the power of God can and will overcome if you put your trust in Jesus and all his teachings and so in God.
That was well said.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 09 2009,16:17) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2009,02:05) Constitutionalist, How does the spirit as in spirit of righteousness effect a person?
Would it be correct to state the spirit one has affects their worldview and thus their actions?
Absolutly, I think thats why when most take on this spirit of righteousness they see the world in a different view. I see the world as continually being evil. I imagine if I did not have the spirit the evil in this world would go unnoticed or be fogged over.That is my personal opinion.
So lets speculate that human beings obtain a warped worldview from their ancestors. This warped worldview then leads them to sin so that scripture declares their is no one righteous not even one when God looks down on mankind. God sees the problem a institutes a solution which is to give each man a way to get a new worldview that is not warped. Now the question is “does this speculation fit what is described in scripture?”Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2009,02:22) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 09 2009,16:17) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2009,02:05) Constitutionalist, How does the spirit as in spirit of righteousness effect a person?
Would it be correct to state the spirit one has affects their worldview and thus their actions?
Absolutly, I think thats why when most take on this spirit of righteousness they see the world in a different view. I see the world as continually being evil. I imagine if I did not have the spirit the evil in this world would go unnoticed or be fogged over.That is my personal opinion.
So lets speculate that human beings obtain a warped worldview from their ancestors. This warped worldview then leads them to sin so that scripture declares their is no one righteous not even one when God looks down on mankind. God sees the problem a institutes a solution which is to give each man a way to get a new worldview that is not warped. Now the question is “does this speculation fit what is described in scripture?”
It very well could, if only the majority saw and accepted this “new” world view. But sadly it does not, only a few in comparison to the whole old warped world view. Thus the harvest will be required. And the chaff will be destroyed.Just my opinion.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 27 2009,02:07) peacetoall wrote: Quote but your wrong it clearly says we are all sinners
I see that we are having difficulties exchanging ideas but I am not sure about the details of that situation. I hope that God will resolve them with further communications.
I have not disagreed, except to mention at least one exception, i.e. Jesus, exist to that rule. My argument is that we received a corrupt spirit from our ancestors and that spirit leads us to choose to sin. Jesus will give us a new spirit that will lead us to choose righteousness.
peacetoall wrote:
Quote the law is still here and has been since his doing.
If by God’s word then I agree it is still here.
peacetoall wrote:
Quote however through Jesus ransom sacrifice we are forgiven and we need to only do the works of spirit that comes from faith that, since the works of flesh is not for god nor mans faith with man.
Those who walk according to the Spirit are forgiven but those who do not will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Kerwin: For whatever it is worth, I couldn't agree more! IMO you have found the truth. Bless you, TKQuote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 09 2009,22:12) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 27 2009,02:07) peacetoall wrote: Quote but your wrong it clearly says we are all sinners
I see that we are having difficulties exchanging ideas but I am not sure about the details of that situation. I hope that God will resolve them with further communications.
I have not disagreed, except to mention at least one exception, i.e. Jesus, exist to that rule. My argument is that we received a corrupt spirit from our ancestors and that spirit leads us to choose to sin. Jesus will give us a new spirit that will lead us to choose righteousness.
peacetoall wrote:
Quote the law is still here and has been since his doing.
If by God’s word then I agree it is still here.
peacetoall wrote:
Quote however through Jesus ransom sacrifice we are forgiven and we need to only do the works of spirit that comes from faith that, since the works of flesh is not for god nor mans faith with man.
Those who walk according to the Spirit are forgiven but those who do not will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Kerwin: For whatever it is worth, I couldn't agree more! IMO you have found the truth. Bless you, TK
are you saying tht you don't sin then?are you saying you cannot anymore in god's eyes?
because we can still falter and do sinful things , but god forgives us now when we repent our mistakes.
that doesn't mean we are not sinners when we sin.
jesus did take away the dominion of sin over us, that is why we are forgiven now.
a new law/covenant is now thru christ jesus. it has been written in our hearts and mind, our way is now through spiritual works and faith.
so unless you think one can never again do a sin, then i think we are on the same page and your just not reading all my posts and just taking a sentence or two.
if you do anything detestable to god, swear,immoral thoughts or practice,hate,hurt someone,kill someone whatever it may be you are thus doing sinful things which would make you a sinner for doing it.
But you are forgiven by god.
one cannot continue on that path and not do god's work but still think he's in union with god though, but if you slip and falter but are repentant for such actions and are seeking god's truth & his kindgom he will not keep in heart your sins
Covenant:
a contract or agreement between two parties. In the Old Testament the Hebrew word berith is always thus translated. Berith is derived from a root which means “to cut,” and hence a covenant is a “cutting,” with reference to the cutting or dividing of animals into two parts, and the contracting parties passing between them, in making a covenant (19). Gen 15; Jer 34:18,19).
The corresponding word in the New Testament Greek is diatheke, which is, however, rendered “testament” generally in the Authorized Version. It ought to be rendered, just as the word berith of the Old Testament, “covenant.”
This word is used (1) of a covenant or compact between man and man (Gen 21:32), or between tribes or nations (1Sa 11:1; Jos 9:6,15). In entering into a convenant, Jehovah was solemnly called on to witness the transaction (Gen 31:50), and hence it was called a “covenant of the Lord” (1Sa 20:8). The marriage compact is called “the covenant of God” (Pro 2:17), because the marriage was made in God's name. Wicked men are spoken of as acting as if they had made a “covenant with death” not to destroy them, or with hell not to devour them (Isa 28:15,18).
(2.) The word is used with reference to God's revelation of himself in the way of promise or of favour to men. Thus God's promise to Noah after the Flood is called a covenant (Jer. 33:20, “my covenant”). We have an account of God's Gen 9; Jer 33:20, “my covenant”). We have an account of God's covernant with Abraham (Lev 26:42), of the covenant of the priesthood (Num 25:12,13; Deu 33:9; Neh 13:29), and of the covenant of Sinai (Exd 34:27,28; Lev 26:15), which was afterwards renewed at different times in the history of Israel (Ezra 10; Neh. 9). In conformity with human custom, God's Deu 29; Jos 1:24; 2Ch 15; 23; 29; 34; Ezr 10; Neh 9). In conformity with human custom, God's covenant is said to be confirmed with an oath (Deu 4:31; Psa 89:3), and to be accompanied by a sign (Gen 9; 17). Hence the covenant is called God's “counsel,” “oath,” “promise” (Psa 89:3,4; 105:8-11; Hbr 6:13-20; Luk 1:68-75). God's covenant consists wholly in the bestowal of blessing (Isa 59:21; Jer 31:33,34).
The term covenant is also used to designate the regular succession of day and night (Jer 33:20), the Sabbath (Exd 31:16), circumcision (Gen 17:9,10), and in general any ordinance of God (Jer 34:13,14).
A “covenant of salt” signifies an everlasting covenant, in the sealing or ratifying of which salt, as an emblem of perpetuity, is used (Num 18:19; Lev 2:13; 2Ch 13:5).
COVENANT OF WORKS, the constitution under which Adam was placed at his creation. In this covenant, (1.) The contracting parties were (a) God the moral Governor, and (b) Adam, a free moral agent, and representative of all his natural posterity (Rom 5:12-19). (2.) The promise was “life” (Mat 19:16,17; Gal 3:12). (3.) The condition was perfect obedience to the law, the test in this case being abstaining from eating the fruit of the “tree of knowledge,” etc. (4.) The penalty was death (Gen 2:16,17).
This covenant is also called a covenant of nature, as made with man in his natural or unfallen state; a covenant of life, because “life” was the promise attached to obedience; and a legal covenant, because it demanded perfect obedience to the law.
The “tree of life” was the outward sign and seal of that life which was promised in the covenant, and hence it is usually called the seal of that covenant.
This covenant is abrogated under the gospel, inasmuch as Christ has fulfilled all its conditions in behalf of his people, and now offers salvation on the condition of faith. It is still in force, however, as it rests on the immutable justice of God, and is binding on all who have not fled to Christ and accepted his righteousness.
CONVENANT OF GRACE, the eternal plan of redemption entered into by the three persons of the Godhead, and carried out by them in its several parts. In it the Father represented the Godhead in its indivisible sovereignty, and the Son his people as their surety (Jhn 17:4,6,9; Isa 42:6; Psa 89:3).
The conditions of this covenant were, (1.) On the part of the Father (a) all needful preparation to the Son for the accomplishment of his work (Hbr 10:5; Isa 42:1-7); (b) support in the work (Luk 22:43); and  a glorious reward in the exaltation of Christ when his work was done (Phl 2:6-11), his investiture with universal dominion (Jhn 5:22; Psa 110:1), his having the administration of the covenant committed into his hands (Mat 28:18; Jhn 1:12; 17:2; Act 2:33), and in the final salvation of all his people (Isa 35:10; 53:10,11; Jer 31:33; Tts 1:2). (2.) On the part of the Son the conditions were (a) his becoming incarnate (Gal 4:4,5); and (b) as the second Adam his representing all his people, assuming their place and undertaking all their obligations under the violated covenant of works;  obeying the law (Psa 40:8; Isa 42:21; Jhn 9:4,5), and (d) suffering its penalty (Isa 53; 2Cr 5:21; Gal 3:13), in their stead.
Christ, the mediator of, fulfils all its conditions in behalf of his people, and dispenses to them all its blessings. In Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 12:24, this title is given to Christ. (See DISPENSATION.)
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Easton's Bible DictionaryLaw:
a rule of action. (1.) The Law of Nature is the will of God as to human conduct, founded on the moral difference of things, and discoverable by natural light (Rom 1:20; 2:14,15). This law binds all men at all times. It is generally designated by the term conscience, or the capacity of being influenced by the moral relations of things.
(2.) The Ceremonial Law prescribes under the Old Testament the rites and ceremonies of worship. This law was obligatory only till Christ, of whom these rites were typical, had finished his work (Hbr 7:9,11; 10:1; Eph 2:16). It was fulfilled rather than abrogated by the gospel.
(3.) The Judicial Law, the law which directed the civil policy of the Hebrew nation.
(4.) The Moral Law is the revealed will of God as to human conduct, binding on all men to the end of time. It was promulgated at Sinai. It is perfect (Psa 19:7), perpetual (Mat 5:17,18), holy (Rom 7:12), good, spiritual (14), and exceeding broad (Psa 119:96). Although binding on all, we are not under it as a covenant of works (Gal 3:17). (See COMMANDMENTS.)
(5.) Positive Laws are precepts founded only on the will of God. They are right because God commands them.
(6.) Moral positive laws are commanded by God because they are right.
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Easton's Bible DictionaryQuote (peace2all @ Dec. 10 2009,00:29) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 09 2009,22:12) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 27 2009,02:07) peacetoall wrote: Quote but your wrong it clearly says we are all sinners
I see that we are having difficulties exchanging ideas but I am not sure about the details of that situation. I hope that God will resolve them with further communications.
I have not disagreed, except to mention at least one exception, i.e. Jesus, exist to that rule. My argument is that we received a corrupt spirit from our ancestors and that spirit leads us to choose to sin. Jesus will give us a new spirit that will lead us to choose righteousness.
peacetoall wrote:
Quote the law is still here and has been since his doing.
If by God’s word then I agree it is still here.
peacetoall wrote:
Quote however through Jesus ransom sacrifice we are forgiven and we need to only do the works of spirit that comes from faith that, since the works of flesh is not for god nor mans faith with man.
Those who walk according to the Spirit are forgiven but those who do not will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Kerwin: For whatever it is worth, I couldn't agree more! IMO you have found the truth. Bless you, TK
are you saying tht you don't sin then?are you saying you cannot anymore in god's eyes?
because we can still falter and do sinful things , but god forgives us now when we repent our mistakes.
that doesn't mean we are not sinners when we sin.
jesus did take away the dominion of sin over us, that is why we are forgiven now.
a new law/covenant is now thru christ jesus. it has been written in our hearts and mind, our way is now through spiritual works and faith.
so unless you think one can never again do a sin, then i think we are on the same page and your just not reading all my posts and just taking a sentence or two.
if you do anything detestable to god, swear,immoral thoughts or practice,hate,hurt someone,kill someone whatever it may be you are thus doing sinful things which would make you a sinner for doing it.
But you are forgiven by god.
one cannot continue on that path and not do god's work but still think he's in union with god though, but if you slip and falter but are repentant for such actions and are seeking god's truth & his kindgom he will not keep in heart your sins
Hi peace to all: Each person must find for themselves what they believe sin is. The word sin was not in the story of the Garden of Eden. Yet all religion is one together about sin.Sin is the mistaken belief in evil. There was only good/God in the beginning. Once man believed in evil he had to face all the aspects of death or what would be considered the opposite of life.
Only God was in the beginning. God is good! Only good existed. To believe there was evil or an opposite to God split the truth into life and death in the mind of man. This could not be the truth because God is ONE and GOOD and there is no darkness in him.
So early man has now made an illusion of truth for himself. He believes in good(which is) and evil (which is illusion of truth).
Whatsoever a man believeth in his heart, the mouth speaks and creation takes place. A man beliveing in evil would begin to create evil in a perfectly good world.
So to me, sin is believing in evil. Believing in death, hurt, pain, suffering, hate, which would be the byproducts of the illusion of death. These illusionary beliefs began to reign in the earth.
This errant belief or sin was passed from generation to generation in mankind. Further and further away from God did man fall IN HIS MIND! It was illusion of separation. God is everywhere. He could only be blocked by a deceiving, lying belief of separation. Its not of the truth it's an illusion of the truth seeming real by the beleiver.
Where would God go he is everywhere. He is within you and without. God did not leave man, mankind believed a lie in his mind, that he was separated from God for doing something wrong.
If you believe lies, deceptions, that say you are in sin or have a sin nature then you will follow the path of sin and death. If however you believe in ONENESS with God you will follow the path of enlightenment unto eternal life in Christ.
God now says I lay before you life and death. You choose, but choose life that you may live! Much like in the Garden.
There are most that believe in sin and death. Most believe that an action or something they have done or said is a sin against God that separates them unto death. They will reap what they sow pertaining to that thought.
Jesus the Truth of God came to enlighten the dark sinful world. If you believe him he lights the pathway to God. If you don't believe that he has cleansed you from the sin beliefs that so easily entangle us then you have forsaken life and chosen death, like Adam.
I know the more religious ones on this site are going to nail me to the cross for exposing my truth but so be it. I would never write it if I didn't fully believe it. God Bless All, TK
really so who then spoke through the serpent?? who turned them away to question god? who lied to them? if there was noone besides god then who??
who is called the father of the lie, the originator of the lie?
really so the bible doesn't say that his son is the firstborn of creation and thru him god made all. jesus refered to as a master craftsman after the creations were done.
satan is refered to as the original serpent (the deciever). the serpent stated in genesis that questioned god's authority to them( a liar,a deciever). he is also known as the devil, slanderer of god. satan because he became resister of god.
you really think that there was only god even having scriptures say the opposite.
well your using your own imagination to that conclusion you believe. i see nowhere anywhere to support your claim, but i do see what the scriptures hold.
so i guess the bible and god is an illusion to you then.
we choose to do wrong thats certain, satan is a deciever and tempter and liar. they did the act on their own accord but it was influenced by him. that is why satan is called those things. i don't recall anywhre that says satan or demons make one do things but they cause situations and deception and lies to aid wrong decision.
thats the fight god and satan have had. satan keeps saying to god well if you didn't give them so much and help them out so much and you let me tempt them and deceive tehm i will show you that they will leave you. tht has happened to many inthe bible and it has shown satan wrong. that is still today, he is trying to decieve and lead astray as many as he can from god. faith goes a long way.
you are not using the holy scriptures and thus your own thinking is deceiving and deceptive to you. its not too late to open your eyes your heart and mind and take in his words.
what does god is good god is one? god doesn't and didn't make robots to do his will, all have a choice man or spirit being. so by having to do bad or evil or decieve or lie has nothing to do with it being an illusion or fake?
you really are using your own mind and not what is mentioned in hte bible
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