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Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2010,08:12) What god? I see, hear, taste, feel, smell, detect with microscopes, telescopes, scanning tunneling electron microscopes, or even feel with subconscious gut reaction, NO GODS! I see and hear people behaving as superstitious humans, using their super-charged pattern-seeking brains (useless as they are at assessing probability and coincidence) to infuse every detail of the universe with an intent that really is actually not real if you stop and analyse it properly.
The scriptures you mention are the writings of this bizarre brain that gets confused about what ideas about the universe are reasonable.
Stuart
stuyea,i forgot ,you are on your own ,this is your world,guys like you make this world go around the way it is,
no faith,no believe,no master,no guild,just grab what comes along,EAT AND DRINK BECAUSE TOMOROW WE DIE,
Quote I see, hear, taste, feel, smell, detect with microscopes, telescopes, scanning tunneling electron microscopes, or even feel with subconscious gut reaction Stuart, you cannot taste and smell with these machines. Silly ape.
It is nice to know that you do feel something even if it is your gut. You know the old saying a way to a man's heart is through his stomach.
Take Care Stuart.
Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 21 2010,11:12) Quote I see, hear, taste, feel, smell, detect with microscopes, telescopes, scanning tunneling electron microscopes, or even feel with subconscious gut reaction Stuart, you cannot taste and smell with these machines. Silly ape.
It is nice to know that you do feel something even if it is your gut. You know the old saying a way to a man's heart is through his stomach.
Take Care Stuart.
stuits look you are well known
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2010,08:22) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2010,08:12) What god? I see, hear, taste, feel, smell, detect with microscopes, telescopes, scanning tunneling electron microscopes, or even feel with subconscious gut reaction, NO GODS! I see and hear people behaving as superstitious humans, using their super-charged pattern-seeking brains (useless as they are at assessing probability and coincidence) to infuse every detail of the universe with an intent that really is actually not real if you stop and analyse it properly.
The scriptures you mention are the writings of this bizarre brain that gets confused about what ideas about the universe are reasonable.
Stuart
stuyea,i forgot ,you are on your own ,this is your world,guys like you make this world go around the way it is,
no faith,no believe,no master,no guild,just grab what comes along,EAT AND DRINK BECAUSE TOMOROW WE DIE,
What do you mean “guys like you”?Have a short think about suicide bombers. Their faith makes them take out other people because they have a fantasy idea about an Imaginary Friend who is going to reward them for killing other who do not believe their way.
Have a think about the zionist christian evangelists who lick their lips every time the Iranian president talks about bulldozing Israel into the Mediterranean Sea. They think their nasty fantasy world of the book of Revelation will be brought on by it.
Consider the long and bloodly history of the Balkans, where there are people of different ethnic origins at one another's throats. Under what labels do they fight? Religious labels!
Now consider “my people” atheists. Can you name a single atheist who has killed another person in the name of his lack of belief in god? I can name just one, guilty of the murder of one other person. Although the court found him eligible to stand trial he was clearly insane.
When you look at it objectively, this is far from being “my world”. In fact, “my people” are wondering if we can have the world back for everyone who believes in trying to get along without violence, that is when the religious have finished with it, and if there is anything left of it.
Steven Weinberg was right, good people do good and evil people do evil, but to make a good person do evil takes religion.
Stuart
Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 21 2010,11:12) Quote I see, hear, taste, feel, smell, detect with microscopes, telescopes, scanning tunneling electron microscopes, or even feel with subconscious gut reaction Stuart, you cannot taste and smell with these machines. Silly ape.
It is nice to know that you do feel something even if it is your gut. You know the old saying a way to a man's heart is through his stomach.
Take Care Stuart.
The commas in my sentence are important to understanding it!Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2010,16:30) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2010,08:22) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2010,08:12) What god? I see, hear, taste, feel, smell, detect with microscopes, telescopes, scanning tunneling electron microscopes, or even feel with subconscious gut reaction, NO GODS! I see and hear people behaving as superstitious humans, using their super-charged pattern-seeking brains (useless as they are at assessing probability and coincidence) to infuse every detail of the universe with an intent that really is actually not real if you stop and analyse it properly.
The scriptures you mention are the writings of this bizarre brain that gets confused about what ideas about the universe are reasonable.
Stuart
stuyea,i forgot ,you are on your own ,this is your world,guys like you make this world go around the way it is,
no faith,no believe,no master,no guild,just grab what comes along,EAT AND DRINK BECAUSE TOMOROW WE DIE,
What do you mean “guys like you”?Have a short think about suicide bombers. Their faith makes them take out other people because they have a fantasy idea about an Imaginary Friend who is going to reward them for killing other who do not believe their way.
Have a think about the zionist christian evangelists who lick their lips every time the Iranian president talks about bulldozing Israel into the Mediterranean Sea. They think their nasty fantasy world of the book of Revelation will be brought on by it.
Consider the long and bloodly history of the Balkans, where there are people of different ethnic origins at one another's throats. Under what labels do they fight? Religious labels!
Now consider “my people” atheists. Can you name a single atheist who has killed another person in the name of his lack of belief in god? I can name just one, guilty of the murder of one other person. Although the court found him eligible to stand trial he was clearly insane.
When you look at it objectively, this is far from being “my world”. In fact, “my people” are wondering if we can have the world back for everyone who believes in trying to get along without violence, that is when the religious have finished with it, and if there is anything left of it.
Steven Weinberg was right, good people do good and evil people do evil, but to make a good person do evil takes religion.
Stuart
stui have nothing to do with those fanatics ,i am not lessen to those men who profess to be religious but are more politically inclined ,for a grasp on power .
If I wear the colors of the infamous Hells Angels motorcycle gang,of what value are my
words when I say I have nothing to do with those fanatics?Tim
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2010,16:32) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 21 2010,11:12) Quote I see, hear, taste, feel, smell, detect with microscopes, telescopes, scanning tunneling electron microscopes, or even feel with subconscious gut reaction Stuart, you cannot taste and smell with these machines. Silly ape.
It is nice to know that you do feel something even if it is your gut. You know the old saying a way to a man's heart is through his stomach.
Take Care Stuart.
The commas in my sentence are important to understanding it!Stuart
Stuart,Your splitting hairs, orange ones to be exact. I understand your concept, now do I accept your concept, no.
You cannot place 'gut feeling' with everything you do goes under a microscope, even though science can explain what our bodies creates or release during an emotion is still does not explain why we have that emotion.
This Wienburgh fellow, he needs to get out more often and meet people, religion is what makes a good person do bad, ever heard the saying a good girl gone bad, or he used to be such a nice boy, religion has nothing to do with it. The individual themselves are the cause. For someone that professes natural selection, I tend to think you just use this passage as a crutch, for lack of better terms or explanation.
Take Care Stuart.
Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 22 2010,00:44) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2010,16:32) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 21 2010,11:12) Quote I see, hear, taste, feel, smell, detect with microscopes, telescopes, scanning tunneling electron microscopes, or even feel with subconscious gut reaction Stuart, you cannot taste and smell with these machines. Silly ape.
It is nice to know that you do feel something even if it is your gut. You know the old saying a way to a man's heart is through his stomach.
Take Care Stuart.
The commas in my sentence are important to understanding it!Stuart
Stuart,Your splitting hairs, orange ones to be exact. I understand your concept, now do I accept your concept, no.
You cannot place 'gut feeling' with everything you do goes under a microscope, even though science can explain what our bodies creates or release during an emotion is still does not explain why we have that emotion.
This Wienburgh fellow, he needs to get out more often and meet people, religion is what makes a good person do bad, ever heard the saying a good girl gone bad, or he used to be such a nice boy, religion has nothing to do with it. The individual themselves are the cause. For someone that professes natural selection, I tend to think you just use this passage as a crutch, for lack of better terms or explanation.
Take Care Stuart.
I gave you examples. How are they wrong?Stuart
Stuart,
Scientific minds categorize everything, this can lead to great findings in the science world on the other hand, it takes away from humanity itself.
I could speculate in an universal term that your god is science, and what you do and how you live your life is directly attach to your belief in this science god. Has all science gods provided only good to the world. It has not. So to categorize one's on their beliefs is foolish with in self. For your scientific world has not produce the best of crop either. Other wise the words 'mad scientist' would not have come into existence.
Sorry, I don't but that.
Strictly it is engineers with whom you have a beef. The knowledge of science is the best knowledge we have, and the knowledge itself does no one any harm unless turned into working technology by an engineer.
I'd still far rather live today than 500 years ago. The reason is that we know so much more about what is going on than we did back then. It is not religious revelation we can thank for those improvements in understanding, in fact it took the Enlightenment to roll back religious hegemony to allow modern understandings to be developed.
Stuart
None of my music
(at the moment that is Paramore and Ladyhawke but its a religeous site so I cant say things like this up in believers place:)But Stu, science has also caused cruelty to animals (scientific experiments) Human gunie (sp) pigs, Nuclear bombs, Nuclear testing and pollution, medical disasters (Immunisation eg causes Autism and other things), Psychiactric medicine killing brains, etc etc.
Science simply means knowledge.
Physical science which we call science is only knowledge of the physical and is not all correct.A wise person draws truth from many fields and it should all agree. A fool will only accept that which his bias allows him to and will disregard other opinions that do no suit. Such a person is more correctly described as a bigot.
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 21 2010,22:40) If I wear the colors of the infamous Hells Angels motorcycle gang,of what value are my
words when I say I have nothing to do with those fanatics?Tim
Wow, that was deep.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2010,16:30) Can you name a single atheist who has killed another person in the name of his lack of belief in god?
Actually you may find that many who murder, rape, and do other things contrary to what is right probably do not care about life after death or God.I mean, it is not like thugs are all religious people.
Get a grip.
I know of a father and son for example who were both compulsive thieves. The son became a believer in God and stopped stealing. The Father continued on and is a proud atheist. There is a huge list like this if you were to make a comparison with before and after scenarios pertaining to those who converted from atheism.
Sure, not all believers are perfect, but many of them have given up bad things that they use to do when they were not believers. Kind of an obvious fact, but probably needed to point this out due to ignorance.
The reason why people do not strap bombs on themselves and yell “There is no God” is because that is pointless. It is more likely that men who are atheists and do such will do it in revenge or as a crime of hate. The fact that they may not believe in God can assists their conscience in that they believe that there is no repercussion for them because they will be dead. Whereas a man who believes, will know that he has to face a righteous God in judgement and therefore has one less reason to do it, and a big reason at that.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 23 2010,20:10) Science simply means knowledge.
Physical science which we call science is only knowledge of the physical and is not all correct.A wise person draws truth from many fields and it should all agree. A fool will only accept that which his bias allows him to and will disregard other opinions that do no suit. Such a person is more correctly described as a bigot.
I can't believe that you posted it, t8, but well done. A very brave admission on your part.Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 23 2010,20:30) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2010,16:30) Can you name a single atheist who has killed another person in the name of his lack of belief in god?
Actually you may find that many who murder, rape, and do other things contrary to what is right probably do not care about life after death or God.I mean, it is not like thugs are all religious people.
Get a grip.
I know of a father and son for example who were both compulsive thieves. The son became a believer in God and stopped stealing. The Father continued on and is a proud atheist. There is a huge list like this if you were to make a comparison with before and after scenarios pertaining to those who converted from atheism.
Sure, not all believers are perfect, but many of them have given up bad things that they use to do when they were not believers. Kind of an obvious fact, but probably needed to point this out due to ignorance.
The reason why people do not strap bombs on themselves and yell “There is no God” is because that is pointless. It is more likely that men who are atheists and do such will do it in revenge or as a crime of hate. The fact that they may not believe in God can assists their conscience in that they believe that there is no repercussion for them because they will be dead. Whereas a man who believes, will know that he has to face a righteous God in judgement and therefore has one less reason to do it, and a big reason at that.
Can you name a single atheist who has killed another person in the name of his lack of belief in god?Stuart
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