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so what do you require from an individual to attain your high standards? to think and discover for themselves, when the outcome is not how you think, then it is wrong, strange you sound like alot of christians i know.
stuart, just had a thought, your progressive codes are like the catholic church, here is the rule, we break the rule, let's just add an explanation to why we do it, then it will be fine. progress, you gotta love it.
ever get that feeling someone has walked over your grave, wonder what that is.
quick question for you, can you describe in your infinite wisdom womens' intuition.
by the by air is fine, thanks for asking, tend to stand fast to rock, height doesn't bother me (except for an 8/10 pitch) it is the fall that will get you.
stuart, take care.
Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 21 2009,11:29) so what do you require from an individual to attain your high standards? to think and discover for themselves, when the outcome is not how you think, then it is wrong, strange you sound like alot of christians i know. stuart, just had a thought, your progressive codes are like the catholic church, here is the rule, we break the rule, let's just add an explanation to why we do it, then it will be fine. progress, you gotta love it.
ever get that feeling someone has walked over your grave, wonder what that is.
quick question for you, can you describe in your infinite wisdom womens' intuition.
by the by air is fine, thanks for asking, tend to stand fast to rock, height doesn't bother me (except for an 8/10 pitch) it is the fall that will get you.
stuart, take care.
My ethics are the opposite of what the Catholic church does. And now I think about it, I actually think that covering up child abuse is a good reason for governments to refuse to engage with the RC, and even for it to be abolished in every legal sense.Would we agree on the way you use the word progressive? I think it is pretty obvious that the ethics by which we live as a society are constantly evolving. The history of the changes in our attitudes to issues like slavery and racism are not one of christian churches pushing for change over the past 2000 years, that history is one of humans convincing others of principles such as universal human rights and respect for personal sovereignty and showing, using science for example, that the differences between humans with difference skin colour are much smaller than the differences between humans of the same skin colour.
So, if christianity represents a set of principles that were always right, and slavery and racism were always wrong, then why was there no universal christian message against these things throughout the 100s of years of christianity? In fact, what is the point of any religion that claims to give ethical guidance if they have not been doing that?
I will not be making any attempt to explain the intuition of women. Passing a horse though the eye of the needle or knowing the mind of Zeus would be easier challenges than that one!
Stuart
i tend to agree with you in regards to the rrc, why are atheist allowed to progress in knowledge and no one else is, it seems to be a bit bias, would you not think.
color of skin has never been a issue for me, to this day, i still cannot understand why some hold on to this hate.
nothing really has changed much through this world though, killing, genocides are all to common these days, a child is killed in cross fire, mother's leaving new borns in dumpsters, children killing children, it is quite a world we live in.
at work today, a mother had told her daughter no, this child of seven screams at her younger brother, come on let's go kill her. personally, i think the child has a nasty little spirit attached to her. some may say it could be how the father treats the mother and the children are mock playing, some may so the child watches too much tele.
i don't know stuart, with all the heartache in the world, all the bad that happens, leaving it to natural selection, dna and so forth just doesn't make it right within my heart. if the little things in life could be resolved, the bigger things would not be so difficult.
don't hold on to things too tight stuart, you will squeeze them to death, some things are better left where they are, today is a new day, let's rejoice in it.
by the by, thought you would be the one to explain a women's intution. for once natural selection, dna, enviroment does not have a place. this is good to know.
take care stuart.
P of the K
Quote i tend to agree with you in regards to the rrc, why are atheist allowed to progress in knowledge and no one else is, it seems to be a bit bias, would you not think.
The RC agrees with anything that could be reasonably called a fact AND does not contradict its doctrines. Atheists tend to agree with anything that could reasonably called a fact. Which position do you think is the more honest one?Quote color of skin has never been a issue for me, to this day, i still cannot understand why some hold on to this hate.
I was amazed to learn that the genetic difference between me and other white Europeans in my neighbourhood could be much greater than between me an a black African. Of course we are all African migrants if you go back far enough!Quote nothing really has changed much through this world though, killing, genocides are all to common these days, a child is killed in cross fire, mother's leaving new borns in dumpsters, children killing children, it is quite a world we live in.
These kinds of things have always happened, but I think we are more aware of them because of the globalisation of the media. There are problems, no question. We still have a much better standard of living and life expectancy today than at any other time in history, so I am still happy with 2009. I find it much better to go for a walk on a summer’s evening than to watch the TV news. I am not indifferent to what happens in the world, but the TV presents me with the worst of humanity then tells me how to feel about it. I don’t think that helps anyone.Quote i don't know stuart, with all the heartache in the world, all the bad that happens, leaving it to natural selection, dna and so forth just doesn't make it right within my heart. if the little things in life could be resolved, the bigger things would not be so difficult.
Natural selection does not say you can’t do anything to make the world a better place, it just explains part of how it came to be this way. Don’t shoot the messenger!Quote by the by, thought you would be the one to explain a women's intution. for once natural selection, dna, enviroment does not have a place. this is good to know.
Well I wasn’t going to say that I think women don’t have anything that is not matched in men, even if each considers things differently!Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2010,16:58) Or opportunity to give to a religion that is becoming more organised complete with evangelism?
If you could convince everyone in the world to give up god belief then atheism would cease to exist because there would be no theism to put an “a” in front of. It's a funny kind of religion that would not exist if other religions disappeared.Evangelical? Maybe.
Organised? You've got to be joking!
Religion? Obviously not.
Stuart
Clever play with words, but it doesn't stop the fact that it is the fool who has said in his heart there is no God.
Surely people will believe that there is no God, even if belief in God was non-existent. It would still be a belief that there was no God. You can't change that. It is a belief. You have faith in your belief. And you are evangelizing your belief. Hello religious person.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 11 2010,10:15) Clever play with words, but it doesn't stop the fact that it is the fool who has said in his heart there is no God.
Surely people will believe that there is no God, even if belief in God was non-existent. It would still be a belief that there was no God. You can't change that. It is a belief. You have faith in your belief. And you are evangelizing your belief. Hello religious person.
It must be a prideful and insecure religion that needs to call anyone “fool”.Since when did holding beliefs make you a religionist?
Stuart
Or a truthful one.
Sometimes the truth hurts, but hurting is good because it often stops us from doing things that lead to an early death or death of the soul.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 11 2010,18:33) Or a truthful one. Sometimes the truth hurts, but hurting is good because it often stops us from doing things that lead to an early death or death of the soul.
I cannot think of a single worthwhile “truth” in christianity. Even Matthew 7:12 has been done in far better ways by others.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 11 2010,18:56) I cannot think of a single worthwhile “truth” in christianity.
What does that say about your life? You spend all this time opposing something that is not worth while?Look at those 2 words. “Worth & While”. You are obviously dedicating your life for a very unworthy cause according to your own standard. Hmmm. You have failed yourself. Your own standards find you lacking.
Hey Stu, William Shatner is waiting for you to join his worth while cause.
Watch the video for a quick intro.
http://myouterspace.com/index.p….emid=99Quote (t8 @ Mar. 11 2010,21:11) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 11 2010,18:56) I cannot think of a single worthwhile “truth” in christianity.
What does that say about your life? You spend all this time opposing something that is not worth while?Look at those 2 words. “Worth & While”. You are obviously dedicating your life for a very unworthy cause according to your own standard. Hmmm. You have failed yourself. Your own standards find you lacking.
I don't know t8. What does it say about me, an atheist, that christianity is worthless. I would suggest it says nothing about me at all.I might be your real salvation t8.
Unless you show that you can think independently, in which case you are your own salvation.
Stuart
What are you offering?
Join the apes.
Await your destiny, to become compost.And that is salvation?
I can see you are going to gain a huge following.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 12 2010,07:51) What are you offering?
Join the apes.
Await your destiny, to become compost.And that is salvation?
I can see you are going to gain a huge following.
You can hardly say that your worldview is gaining massive numbers. For the first time since European colonisation New Zealand has less that 50% of its population professing to be christian.It may be that for there to be an increase in numbers of atheists there would need to be an increase in the average IQ of the population. That might be a slow change.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 12 2010,16:53) You can hardly say that your worldview is gaining massive numbers. For the first time since European colonisation New Zealand has less that 50% of its population professing to be christian.
Just less than 50% is a huge number. That obviously represents the biggest group.Tip: If atheists have more kids, then you might be able to reduce that number further.
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 12 2010,16:53) It may be that for there to be an increase in numbers of atheists there would need to be an increase in the average IQ of the population. That might be a slow change.
Yeah, an increase in the religion of, from nothing came everything.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 12 2010,17:18) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 12 2010,16:53) You can hardly say that your worldview is gaining massive numbers. For the first time since European colonisation New Zealand has less that 50% of its population professing to be christian.
Just less than 50% is a huge number. That obviously represents the biggest group.Tip: If atheists have more kids, then you might be able to reduce that number further.
Mainstream christianity is dying of old age.Stuart
In your little world it might seem that way. You should look at the stats though. According to the CIA, adherents to Christianity lies around 33.32% (one-third) of the worlds population. Of course this can change depending on what criteria you use.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 15 2010,13:47) In your little world it might seem that way. You should look at the stats though. According to the CIA, adherents to Christianity lies around 33.32% (one-third) of the worlds population. Of course this can change depending on what criteria you use.
Yes, I did mention New Zealand in the original post t8.Stuart
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