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“But there was a backlash from some religious groups. People who said they were offended made complaints to the Advertising Standards Authority – but the British watchdog ruled it did not breach advertising codes.
In the 2006 census, 34.7 per cent of people said they had no religion.
NZ Bus said it outsourced its advertising on its bus fleet to an external company, i-Site.
Wayne Chapman, chief executive of i-Site, said the advertisement did not appear to breach an advertising standards code but he would reserve judgment until the firm saw a final copy. “
Of course we approve of the suspension of judgment pending evidence in that last bit, but if the message is going to be the same as on buses in other countries, how on earth could it be a breach of any New Zealand advertising code?? I ask you.
I guess it does highlight the absurdity of the blasphemy law: this could be blasphemy for some christians and not for others. I am sure it is blasphemy for muslims, as just about everything is anyway.
It is a message of hope! Not much advertising these days asks you to spend NO MONEY and have a more enjoyable life as a result! Of course in NZ it does not have quite the same relevance as in the UK, which has an established religion with all the joy it brings to children who are forced into absurd 'acts of collective worship' in state schools and to government which has a whole bunch of bishops in the House of Lords (is the collective noun for bishops a bunch?).
Ironically the UK abolished its blasphemy law last year. We usually copy the legislative programme of the UK government, but not on this issue by the look of it. Too many political relations with Pacific and Maori churches to maintain I suppose, (we have used up our religion-bashing credit on abolishing institutional homophobia and stopping people from beating their children) although there does not seem the same sensitivity towards Rich White christians living in Remuera or Fendalton (well-known rich suburbs for our foreign readers).
In New Zealand christianity will no longer be the absolute majority label in the census as it supposedly is in the UK (their census question is designed to maximise the christian response through xenophobia). Atheism is blossoming quite well without advertising. Still it will stir a few fundies into a potentially amusing reactionary kneejerk.
So here is the link for donating should you feel the spirit move you:
http://www.nogod.org.nz/Stuart
So what if atheism is rising.
So is Islam and Green Religion.Lot's of religions are on the rise.
Atheism is one of many.Also, it is not about what religions are rising and which one is no1. No1 doesn't mean it is the truth. Sometimes the majority of people are deceived.
It should really be about the truth and people aligning themselves to it.
Ultimately, if 1 million or 5 billion acknowledge the truth, it still doesn't change the fact that it is about the truth and the truth doesn't change.Quote (Stu @ Dec. 11 2009,05:57) Atheism is blossoming quite well without advertising.
Advertising?They don't need it. They enjoy the free ride of the education system.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 10 2009,20:33) Sometimes the majority of people are deceived.
Since the majority religious position is “Christian”, I find this statement strangely ironic.Quote (kejonn @ Dec. 11 2009,15:21) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 10 2009,20:33) Sometimes the majority of people are deceived.
Since the majority religious position is “Christian”, I find this statement strangely ironic.
I don't.What I said is non-biased and true.
It is of course not always the case that the amjority are deceived, but I shouldn't really have to mention such obvious statement.So nothing ironic about it, just the truth.
I am not trying to defend something at all costs. What is the point of that?
Quote (kejonn @ Dec. 11 2009,15:21) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 10 2009,20:33) Sometimes the majority of people are deceived.
Since the majority religious position is “Christian”, I find this statement strangely ironic.
Looking at pie charts, it looks like 33% are “christians.”
21% Islam
14% Hinduism.
16% non-religious
6% buddhism
etc.Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2009,17:17) Quote (kejonn @ Dec. 11 2009,15:21) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 10 2009,20:33) Sometimes the majority of people are deceived.
Since the majority religious position is “Christian”, I find this statement strangely ironic.
I don't.What I said is non-biased and true.
It is of course not always the case that the amjority are deceived, but I shouldn't really have to mention such obvious statement.So nothing ironic about it, just the truth.
I am not trying to defend something at all costs. What is the point of that?
Do you actually have anything to say, t8? Or will it all be dull riddles from now on?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 11 2009,15:19) Something has rattled your cage, t8. Would you like to talk about it? Stuart
Not at all. I don't have a cage. The truth sets you free.It use to be that Christianity was mandatory, and guess what, it wasn't good because when belief in God is forced or the only option, then people just believe because they are taught to believe. They simply go with the flow and are not that serious about their faith. The result is they can often give a bad witness.
True faith has always fared better when it is persecuted or at least not the default. Why? Because those who choose God really choose God and following tradition eventually disappears as the followers pass on and their culture is lost.
My prediction is that atheism will continue to grow and church attendance will become less. I am happy with that. Because what will be left of those who believe will be more precious. The gold will be left and the true witness and power of God will take place, (a true representation). At the moment there is still a whole lot of people that have a sort of faith in God but deny the power of God. They have tradition and go to Church on Sunday to fulfil their faith. It is this very thing that put me off God for the first half of my life. Many live this way because it is the way they were brought up.
In the end quality is better than quantity (that lacks quality).
Also, the same tradition that was forced onto people that caused a rebellion of sorts will happen to Evolution religion too. Because it is forced, eventually many will start to question the structure of beliefs they are being subjected too. This will play to the favour of truth as some will hunger all the more for the truth and find it and those that are complacent will just continue to be deceived.
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 11 2009,17:26) Do you actually have anything to say, t8? Or will it all be dull riddles from now on? Stuart
If making a true statement is dull and a riddle to you, then you are entitled to live like that. Just don't expect agreement from everyone.I love watching folks try to push anothers button and are let down for the response they far from anticipated. Especially as T8 basically stated, it's a non-issue, and so what?
Gotta luv it.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2009,17:34) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 11 2009,15:19) Something has rattled your cage, t8. Would you like to talk about it? Stuart
Not at all. I don't have a cage. The truth sets you free.It use to be that Christianity was mandatory, and guess what, it wasn't good because when belief in God is forced or the only option, then people just believe because they are taught to believe. They simply go with the flow and are not that serious about their faith. The result is they can often give a bad witness.
True faith has always fared better when it is persecuted or at least not the default. Why? Because those who choose God really choose God and following tradition eventually disappears as the followers pass on and their culture is lost.
My prediction is that atheism will continue to grow and church attendance will become less. I am happy with that. Because what will be left of those who believe will be more precious. The gold will be left and the true witness and power of God will take place, (a true representation). At the moment there is still a whole lot of people that have a sort of faith in God but deny the power of God. They have tradition and go to Church on Sunday to fulfil their faith. It is this very thing that put me off God for the first half of my life. Many live this way because it is the way they were brought up.
In the end quality is better than quantity (that lacks quality).
Also, the same tradition that was forced onto people that caused a rebellion of sorts will happen to Evolution religion too. Because it is forced, eventually many will start to question the structure of beliefs they are being subjected too. This will play to the favour of truth as some will hunger all the more for the truth and find it and those that are complacent will just continue to be deceived.
Is this the sound that a dying religion makes?Stuart
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 11 2009,20:32) I love watching folks try to push anothers button and are let down for the response they far from anticipated. Especially as T8 basically stated, it's a non-issue, and so what? Gotta luv it.
If it's a non-issue why did you post in the thread?Your reaction is what I anticipated.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 11 2009,21:31) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2009,17:34) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 11 2009,15:19) Something has rattled your cage, t8. Would you like to talk about it? Stuart
Not at all. I don't have a cage. The truth sets you free.It use to be that Christianity was mandatory, and guess what, it wasn't good because when belief in God is forced or the only option, then people just believe because they are taught to believe. They simply go with the flow and are not that serious about their faith. The result is they can often give a bad witness.
True faith has always fared better when it is persecuted or at least not the default. Why? Because those who choose God really choose God and following tradition eventually disappears as the followers pass on and their culture is lost.
My prediction is that atheism will continue to grow and church attendance will become less. I am happy with that. Because what will be left of those who believe will be more precious. The gold will be left and the true witness and power of God will take place, (a true representation). At the moment there is still a whole lot of people that have a sort of faith in God but deny the power of God. They have tradition and go to Church on Sunday to fulfil their faith. It is this very thing that put me off God for the first half of my life. Many live this way because it is the way they were brought up.
In the end quality is better than quantity (that lacks quality).
Also, the same tradition that was forced onto people that caused a rebellion of sorts will happen to Evolution religion too. Because it is forced, eventually many will start to question the structure of beliefs they are being subjected too. This will play to the favour of truth as some will hunger all the more for the truth and find it and those that are complacent will just continue to be deceived.
Is this the sound that a dying religion makes?Stuart
Oh yeah.It is dying.
And just the other day I saw a cow with 2 heads and 8 legs.
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 11 2009,21:33) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 11 2009,20:32) I love watching folks try to push anothers button and are let down for the response they far from anticipated. Especially as T8 basically stated, it's a non-issue, and so what? Gotta luv it.
If it's a non-issue why did you post in the thread?Your reaction is what I anticipated.
Stuart
Exactly.It's the same thing when I see a boy racer screaming passed. He thinks that everyone is watching him and that he is cool. But he doesn't realise that most people do not care and the guy is spending all his money on gas to try and impress people and they really don't give a stuff. It just shows immaturity.
Sort of like debating with Stu. His atheist rants do have entertainment value to them. But the funny part is that he thinks that he is intelligent and that we are really threatened by his intelligence.
Sorry Stu, but for the entertainment factor, I am not sure anyone is really impressed.
But by all means do an atheist wheel spin if you have to.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2009,22:03) Oh yeah. It is dying.
And just the other day I saw a cow with 2 heads and 8 legs.
Which is exactly the kind of conclusion a non-skeptical person makes!Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2009,22:09) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 11 2009,21:33) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 11 2009,20:32) I love watching folks try to push anothers button and are let down for the response they far from anticipated. Especially as T8 basically stated, it's a non-issue, and so what? Gotta luv it.
If it's a non-issue why did you post in the thread?Your reaction is what I anticipated.
Stuart
Exactly.It's the same thing when I see a boy racer screaming passed. He thinks that everyone is watching him and that he is cool. But he doesn't realise that most people do not care and the guy is spending all his money on gas to try and impress people and they really don't give a stuff. It just shows immaturity.
Sort of like debating with Stu. His atheist rants do have entertainment value to them. But the funny part is that he thinks that he is intelligent and that we are really threatened by his intelligence.
Sorry Stu, but for the entertainment factor, I am not sure anyone is really impressed.
But by all means do an atheist wheel spin if you have to.
Thank you for acknowledging my entertainment value.Of course your ad hom is actually a pretty poor analogy for the joy I bring, but if you were to apply it to the Atheist Bus campaign, I would kind of agree. To some extent it is atheists doing a wheel-spin to show off, but with an important difference: no one suffers from raising the issue, and people may well benefit. In an oppressively christian fundamentalist family, where children suffer the intellectual child abuse of not being allowed normal human development by the cutting off access to friends, and limiting “news” by banning broadcast media and the internet and only listening to what the pastor says, well there it is in everyone's faces.
Enjoy your life because there is probably no god. It's a simple message and a liberating one. I know that fundies won't like it because freedom from religion is a threat which removes the only political bluff they have, that of eternal punishment by a loving god.
I think there is enough evidence on Heavennet without having to look anywhere else that god-belief at least causes unnecessary anxiety, and probably a whole lot more beyond.
Stuart
Quote (david @ Dec. 11 2009,00:24) Quote (kejonn @ Dec. 11 2009,15:21) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 10 2009,20:33) Sometimes the majority of people are deceived.
Since the majority religious position is “Christian”, I find this statement strangely ironic.
Looking at pie charts, it looks like 33% are “christians.”
21% Islam
14% Hinduism.
16% non-religious
6% buddhism
etc.
Yes, you are right. Wrong word choice for me as “majority” simply means slightly more than half.
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