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ok ,what it says is ;;Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.
Da 2:45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay,
the silver and the gold to pieces.“The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy
Rome =feet iron and clay
the Rock =the kingdom of God
the wind =the Holy spirit
the mountain = all the true believers in the kingdomDa 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed
this is what god as done at the six head Christ will never be dethroned
the kingdom was set at the anointment of Christ1Sa 8:6 But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD.
1Sa 8:7 And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.
1Sa 8:8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you.
1Sa 8:9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.”
1Sa 8:10 Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king.
1Sa 8:11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.
1Sa 8:12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.
1Sa 8:13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.
1Sa 8:14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.
1Sa 8:15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.
1Sa 8:16 Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle and donkeys he will take for his own use.
1Sa 8:17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.
1Sa 8:18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day. ”
1Sa 8:19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us.
1Sa 8:20 Then we will be like all the other nationsthis was a shadow of things to come.
Pierre
Pierre
“””Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed
this is what god as done at the six head Christ will never be dethroned the kingdom was set at the anointment of Christ.”””“In the time of those kings”; who are those kings?
So, just because you insist that the feet, toes and legs are Rome, it has to be so, is that it? because you can't make any sense out of that.
If you can't figure out who the seventh head is, and who is the eighth coming out of the seven, you're lost, because it is in the days of “those” kings that make up the eighth head, that the God of heaven is setting up his kingdom. 1 Sam. has nothing to do with that at all.Georg
georg
where do you see you interpretation??Da 2:45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
“The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy.”Pierre
Pierre
Quoting and repeating scripture is not explaining what it means; it is avoiding, and covering up what you don't understand.
Why is it that you never respond to what I say, or the scriptures that I give you?
You have never told me how you got to your conclusions; what is your PROVE?“””broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold”””
Do you not count how many items there are broken?Let me show you something else, and pay close attention!
Dan 2:32 This image's head was of fine gold, separated by a comma; representing Babylon.
next item; his breast and his arms of silver, again separated by a comma; representing Medo-Persia.
next item; his belly and his thighs of brass, again separated by a comma; representing Greek.
next item; Dan 2:33 His legs of iron, separated again by a comma; representing Rome
last item; his feet part of iron and part of clay. no separation between iron and clay here; representing mans last government.These “five” items are treated the same way when we read about their destruction.
Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Notice, it struck the image on the feet, toes included; why the feet? because it represents mans LAST “one world government”.
Dan 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together… representing “all” mans governments/kingdoms.
This is how you need to explain something if you understand it.
Georg
georg
Da 2:45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
“The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy.”this is the kingdom of God ,and Christ is the king that will never been replaced.
that is why the rock from the mountain of god ,was thrown on the Kings of the time approx;30 AD
that is wen the king of God is ruling ,or start to rule as kingdom.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2010,04:58) georg Da 2:45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
“The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy.”this is the kingdom of God ,and Christ is the king that will never been replaced.
that is why the rock from the mountain of god ,was thrown on the Kings of the time approx;30 AD
that is wen the king of God is ruling ,or start to rule as kingdom.
Pierre
I agree, but that is not what we were talking about.
If you keep this up, I may have to call you “little nick”.Georg
Quote (terraricca @ May 31 2010,02:46) Quote (Arnold @ May 30 2010,16:45) Pierre Dan 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
Dan 2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Notice, the feet and toes are mixed, iron and clay, not the legs. The two legs are iron only, they represent Rome.
Dan 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
The days of “these” kings, “UNITED NATION” began in 1946, they will be destroyed as will all other worldly governments.
Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Again, notice, the stone hit the feet first.
Dan 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
Georg
georgNotice, the feet and toes are mixed, iron and clay, not the legs. The two legs are iron only, they represent Rome.
Dan 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
the legs and feet's are ROME it is just that wen Rome starts it is the legs, and at the end it becomes the feet's and toes,
and that's exactly what history shows as happen.
Rome is the number six head, and to me it looks that the Anglo American is the seventh head.
Pierre
When was Rome ever ruled by the nation it conquered?
History shows that the western leg fell with Justinian's death, 565 AD; only the eastern leg survived till the middle of the 15th Century. And it too was not ruled by no one else but Rome.
You see, by ignoring what I say, you also ignore history; why do you thing you do that?
History does “NOT” show what you say has happened.Georg
Quote (Arnold @ June 03 2010,00:40) Quote (terraricca @ May 31 2010,02:46) Quote (Arnold @ May 30 2010,16:45) Pierre Dan 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
Dan 2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Notice, the feet and toes are mixed, iron and clay, not the legs. The two legs are iron only, they represent Rome.
Dan 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
The days of “these” kings, “UNITED NATION” began in 1946, they will be destroyed as will all other worldly governments.
Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Again, notice, the stone hit the feet first.
Dan 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
Georg
georgNotice, the feet and toes are mixed, iron and clay, not the legs. The two legs are iron only, they represent Rome.
Dan 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
the legs and feet's are ROME it is just that wen Rome starts it is the legs, and at the end it becomes the feet's and toes,
and that's exactly what history shows as happen.
Rome is the number six head, and to me it looks that the Anglo American is the seventh head.
Pierre
When was Rome ever ruled by the nation it conquered?
History shows that the western leg fell with Justinian's death, 565 AD; only the eastern leg survived till the middle of the 15th Century. And it too was not ruled by no one else but Rome.
You see, by ignoring what I say, you also ignore history; why do you thing you do that?
History does “NOT” show what you say has happened.Georg
georgagain ,wen the stone made all the statue fall this was Rome included so sinse Rome was rulling Israel it at now been overtaked by the KINGDOM OF GOD the same God that was rulling Israel and let Rome overtake them but now took it back and so Rome was overtaken by the nation they did conquered.
Pierre
Pierre
I'm not sure why I stopped responding, so I do it now.
The Statue, although it specifically represents the four kingdoms mentioned in Dan. 7:4-7, it does more than that; it represents “ALL” of mans kingdoms/governments.
What was the beast that “was” and is “not”, and appeared out of nowhere (the bottomless pit) Rev. 17:8)?
What was it that the six empires of the Bible represented?
Egypt;
Assyria:
Babylon:
Medo-Persia;
Greeks;
Rome?
They were world ruling kingdoms/governments; or in today's terms,”ONE WORLD GOVERNMENTS”.
Man still wants to rule the whole wold by a “ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT”; THAT SHOULD BE MORE OBVIOUS TODAY THEN EVER BEFORE.
That world ruling government disappeared with the fall of Rome; at the end of the first WW, 1918, man established what was to become a “one world government” the “LEAGUE OF NATION”, the beast/government out of the pit.
As prophesied, it would not last long, (Rev. 17:10); but it also says, out of “it”, the seventh, comes the eights. If the “League of Nation” was the seventh, who is the eights? what type of government came out of the League of Nation when it collapsed, in 1946? Answer: the “UNITED NATION”, it had changed in name only, that is why you read, the eights came out of the seven (Rev. 17:11).
Does it look like as though the “United Nation” will be able to rule the world?
That is what the ten (ALL) toes (Nation) represent in Dan. 2:42. It is man's last attempt to rule the world by a “ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT”. Obama is very much in the process to accomplish that.We are very close to when verse 45 will be fulfilled.
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
Georg
Quote (Baker @ Sep. 07 2010,08:37) Pierre I'm not sure why I stopped responding, so I do it now.
The Statue, although it specifically represents the four kingdoms mentioned in Dan. 7:4-7, it does more than that; it represents “ALL” of mans kingdoms/governments.
What was the beast that “was” and is “not”, and appeared out of nowhere (the bottomless pit) Rev. 17:8)?
What was it that the six empires of the Bible represented?
Egypt;
Assyria:
Babylon:
Medo-Persia;
Greeks;
Rome?
They were world ruling kingdoms/governments; or in today's terms,”ONE WORLD GOVERNMENTS”.
Man still wants to rule the whole wold by a “ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT”; THAT SHOULD BE MORE OBVIOUS TODAY THEN EVER BEFORE.
That world ruling government disappeared with the fall of Rome; at the end of the first WW, 1918, man established what was to become a “one world government” the “LEAGUE OF NATION”, the beast/government out of the pit.
As prophesied, it would not last long, (Rev. 17:10); but it also says, out of “it”, the seventh, comes the eights. If the “League of Nation” was the seventh, who is the eights? what type of government came out of the League of Nation when it collapsed, in 1946? Answer: the “UNITED NATION”, it had changed in name only, that is why you read, the eights came out of the seven (Rev. 17:11).
Does it look like as though the “United Nation” will be able to rule the world?
That is what the ten (ALL) toes (Nation) represent in Dan. 2:42. It is man's last attempt to rule the world by a “ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT”. Obama is very much in the process to accomplish that.We are very close to when verse 45 will be fulfilled.
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
Georg
hi georglet start over with things we know for sure;
we know that the six kings including Rome are the six world powers ,and four of them are inside the dream of the statue,
right,
and Rome is the only power that was not conquered by another power as it say in;Da 2:40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.
Da 2:41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay.
Da 2:42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle.
Da 2:43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain
it is known that during the time off those kings the God of heaven will bring or SETUP abode a kingdom who will never be destroyed and will take over all the other kingdom,THIS IS DONE BY FORTELLING WHEN AND WERE IT WILL COME ,TO GIVE BIRTH TO THAT KING WHO WILL RULE THE KINGS OF THE EARTH,
THAT IS CHRIST,WHEN CHRIST DIED HE IS THE KING OF KINGS IT IS HIS KINGDOM THAT RULES THE KINGS OF THE EARTH,(WHAT MEN BELIEVES IS ONE THING BUT IT IS GODS WILL TROUGH CHRIST THAT IS RULLING,PROVE;SHOW ME ONE THING THAT MEN AS ACCOMPLISH THAT AS NOT BEEN DESTROYED,ONE WAY OR ANOTHER,
THE MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE WORLD COMES FROM CHRIST HE AS REMOVED THE POSIBILITY TO MAKE PEACE ,BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT LOOKING TO GOD FOR PEACE,Pierre
Pierre
You are quite right, the iron kingdom, Rome, did brake all others into pieces but, it was all iron, not iron mixed with clay, those are the ten (all) toes (kings), other nations. Is not the UN made up of all the nations of the world?
Rome, the eastern leg, was eventually conquered by the Muslim Turks in the middle of the 15th Century.
Let me ask you something else.
Who are the “ten horns” of Rev. 17:3? verse 12 says, they are “ten kings”.
Verse 13 says, they have one mind; what does that mean? it means, they will all agree on whatever is decided, given their power unto the “beast” (government), they represent the “League of Nation”.
These are the same nations, and more, that are now in the “United Nation”, except that they now represent the ten toes in Dan. 2:42; head number 7 went into perdition, remember?I'm not trying to “make” you believe what I say, but whatever you tell me has to make sense, and it has to fit with scripture, and scripture has to fit with history.
OK, lets look at this verse.Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
In the days of what kings? the ten toes, the United Nation.
Shall the God of heaven “SET UP” a kingdom, now, what would you say that means? what is meant by “setting up”?
If an Orchestra comes to town, and wants to perform in the park, what is it that they have to do first? they have to first “SET UP” the stage, chairs, lights, and microphones, etc, do they not?
Before Jesus can begin to reign, he first has to resurrect all the saints that will reign with him, not only that, he will have to train them in all their responsibilities. God is not going to put a micro chip in their head with all the instructions on it.
We have been living in the days of these kings (ten toes) since 1946.There is a reason why only four beasts are mentioned in Dan. 7:4-7, which are the four kings in that statue; two of the seven heads, Egypt, and Assyria, had already come and gone; the reason head number 7 was not included as a beast was, because this king, the League of Nation, did not conquer other nations by force, like the four that were compared to wild beasts.
Georg
hi Georg
you are mostly right ,and i can agree with it ,
but let first straight things out of the statue;;;head-1—- chest -2—–belly and thighs-3—–legs and feet -4-that it
Dan;2-33so the legs and the feet's with the toes are ROME.
so what you say ??
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2010,08:40) hi Georg you are mostly right ,and i can agree with it ,
but let first straight things out of the statue;;;head-1—- chest -2—–belly and thighs-3—–legs and feet -4-that it
Dan;2-33so the legs and the feet's with the toes are ROME.
so what you say ??
Pierre
No, as you can see, the feet and toes are mentioned separate. Rome is, or was, the two legs of iron; the two legs being “west” and “east”.
See it says, breast “AND” arms, and it says, belly “AND” thighs; what it does “not” say is, legs “and” feet and toes; it does however say, feet “AND” toes.God's kingdom is NOT YET established, Jesus is not yet ruling, the Bible does say, during the days of these kings shall the God of heaven “SET UP” a kingdom; to me that means, getting every one ready that will rule with Christ.
Georg
Quote (Baker @ Sep. 07 2010,16:22) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2010,08:40) hi Georg you are mostly right ,and i can agree with it ,
but let first straight things out of the statue;;;head-1—- chest -2—–belly and thighs-3—–legs and feet -4-that it
Dan;2-33so the legs and the feet's with the toes are ROME.
so what you say ??
Pierre
No, as you can see, the feet and toes are mentioned separate. Rome is, or was, the two legs of iron; the two legs being “west” and “east”.
See it says, breast “AND” arms, and it says, belly “AND” thighs; what it does “not” say is, legs “and” feet and toes; it does however say, feet “AND” toes.God's kingdom is NOT YET established, Jesus is not yet ruling, the Bible does say, during the days of these kings shall the God of heaven “SET UP” a kingdom; to me that means, getting every one ready that will rule with Christ.
Georg
hi georgDa 2:32 The head of the statue was made of pure gold -1, its chest and arms of silver 2, its belly and thighs of bronze, 3
Da 2:33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay 4or do you see five ?legs 4 and feet 5 ??
Da 2:40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.
Da 2:41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay.
Da 2:42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle.
Da 2:43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.ONLY 4 MENTIONPierre
Pierre
Sorry for the long wait.
Da 2:40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.
In chapter 7, Daniel sees “four” beast rise up from the sea (sea of nations); they are represented in the statue of Gold; Silver; Bronze; and Iron.
In Rev. 17:10, John is told, “five” are fallen, and one “is”. The “ONE” that “IS”, or now was, was the Roman empire (world ruling government).Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Who were the other “five”? going backwards in time;
Greece; Medo-Persia; Babylon; Assyria; and Egypt.
What was it that all of these “Empires” had in common, including Rome?
They “all” ruled over the nation Israel.
So, who is the the “ONE” that is “not yet come”? It would be a “government” that would try to rule the world, and that would have a great deal to do with the Israelites.
It would also be a “government” that would not behave like a “BEAST”, destroying nations it was to conquer, and would have a great deal to do with the Israelites.
That “HEAD”, the seventh head, was the “LEAGUE OF NATION”, it is represented by the “TEN” horns of Rev. 17:12.Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
The “ten” (all) horns (kings) here, represent all the nations that made up the “League of Nation”.
Was it destroyed by the “stone” of Dan. 2:34?Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
NO, it was not, in fact we read that out of the seventh “head” came the “eight”, which is “OF” the seven. The seventh only lasted for a short time, 1918 – 1946; then it became the “UNITED NATION”. It's the SAME government as the League of Nation, it only changed in NAME.
What is the connection with the “UN” to Israel? It concluded that Israel should become a Nation again, in 1948.
This eight government is represented by the “TEN TOES” of that statue; it is mans final attempt to rule the world by a “ONE” world government; it has been during this time of their existence, that the God of heaven, has been “SETTING UP” his kingdom that will rule the world, by a “ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT”, with Jesus as our King.
We are now in the last days of THAT (ten toes) government, and we are about to self destruct, as can be witnessed all over the world.
The “seventh” head could not rule the world, and neither will the Eight. Iron and clay just don't mix, hold together; but man, in his EGO, will try it anyway, even if it means self destruction.Georg
Quote (Baker @ Sep. 11 2010,16:18) Pierre Sorry for the long wait.
Da 2:40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.
In chapter 7, Daniel sees “four” beast rise up from the sea (sea of nations); they are represented in the statue of Gold; Silver; Bronze; and Iron.
In Rev. 17:10, John is told, “five” are fallen, and one “is”. The “ONE” that “IS”, or now was, was the Roman empire (world ruling government).Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Who were the other “five”? going backwards in time;
Greece; Medo-Persia; Babylon; Assyria; and Egypt.
What was it that all of these “Empires” had in common, including Rome?
They “all” ruled over the nation Israel.
So, who is the the “ONE” that is “not yet come”? It would be a “government” that would try to rule the world, and that would have a great deal to do with the Israelites.
It would also be a “government” that would not behave like a “BEAST”, destroying nations it was to conquer, and would have a great deal to do with the Israelites.
That “HEAD”, the seventh head, was the “LEAGUE OF NATION”, it is represented by the “TEN” horns of Rev. 17:12.Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
The “ten” (all) horns (kings) here, represent all the nations that made up the “League of Nation”.
Was it destroyed by the “stone” of Dan. 2:34?Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
NO, it was not, in fact we read that out of the seventh “head” came the “eight”, which is “OF” the seven. The seventh only lasted for a short time, 1918 – 1946; then it became the “UNITED NATION”. It's the SAME government as the League of Nation, it only changed in NAME.
What is the connection with the “UN” to Israel? It concluded that Israel should become a Nation again, in 1948.
This eight government is represented by the “TEN TOES” of that statue; it is mans final attempt to rule the world by a “ONE” world government; it has been during this time of their existence, that the God of heaven, has been “SETTING UP” his kingdom that will rule the world, by a “ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT”, with Jesus as our King.
We are now in the last days of THAT (ten toes) government, and we are about to self destruct, as can be witnessed all over the world.
The “seventh” head could not rule the world, and neither will the Eight. Iron and clay just don't mix, hold together; but man, in his EGO, will try it anyway, even if it means self destruction.Georg
georgthanks, now i will print this out and look it up very closely and get back to you soon.
Pierre
georg
we have to clear up a few things;
Da 2:32 The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
Da 2:33 its legs of iron,– ITS– feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay.
YOU SEE THE WORD -ITS- THIS STILL MEANS THE LEGS OF IRON IT IS PART OF IT,SO IT IS ROME.Da 2:34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them.
THE ROCK STRUCK THE STATUE ON THE FEET OF IRON AND CLAY;SO WE KNOW THAT THE ROCK IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD ,WITH HIS KING BEING CHRIST,
SO THE DESTRUCTION OF THE STATUE IS TAKING PLACE WITH THE DEAD OF CHRIST ,ALL WAS FULFILLED.Da 2:35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.
NOW WE KNOW THAT THIS IS THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD,DAN;2;35 DOES NOT SAYS THAT THE WORLD IS CONVERTED BY ALL THE GOSPEL.
REMEMBER CHRIST SAYS; MY KINGDOM IS NOT FROM THIS WORLD;Da 2:37 You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory;You are that head of gold
SO NOW; Babylon is the number 1 ,Medo-Persia 2, Greece 3, Rome 4,
if we calculating back from the seven heads in revelation it is this way;Rev 17:10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while…
#1 #2 #3 #4 as per Dan 2;32-33
Egypt 1- Assyria 2- Babylon 3- Medo-persia 4- Greece 5– Rome 6—-7 ?#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 those are fallen #6 is #7 is to come when
so i believe that the fact that those nation subdue the nation of Israel does not mean anything today or in that vision.
one important thing is that the kingdom of God came at the time of the Roman empire,and that he is overtaking all the kingdom of the earth,and will never be destroyed.
the beast in revelation I get back to you latter but i will PM it to you.
Pierre
Mountain is a term used to describe a kingdom, or government.
The kingdom “of” God, the kingdom “of” heaven, means, the government of God which Jesus Christ will govern here on earth with all the saints. All man made governments will be destroyed by then.Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
The gospel is not the kingdom, it is to prepare us for the kingdom. Jesus is not now reigning, he is setting up, getting all who will reign with him, ready.
Jesus also said this.Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
What people, and what generation was he talking about? Has that generation past yet? Have all things been fulfilled yet?
The book of Revelation speaks of many things to come yet, far into the future, long after Rome had fallen, and that book was written at the end of the first Century; and Rome did not represent mans final attempt to rule the whole world. There was Napoleon who tried it; there was Hitler who tried; there was the Communist who tried it, and now the Muslims are trying it.
The Israelites have never stopped being God special people.Zec 2:8 ¶ For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you (Israel) toucheth the apple of his eye.
Which of the seven heads, kings, would you say, lasted but a little while?
Why do you think these seven empires are mentioned in the Bible, if not for the fact that they had very close relation with Israel?Do you believe this has happened already?
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
The book of Revelation has three beasts with seven heads, with horns, and crowns; what is, and what is not the same on these heads?
Georg
Quote (Baker @ Sep. 12 2010,02:12) Pierre Mountain is a term used to describe a kingdom, or government.
The kingdom “of” God, the kingdom “of” heaven, means, the government of God which Jesus Christ will govern here on earth with all the saints. All man made governments will be destroyed by then.Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
The gospel is not the kingdom, it is to prepare us for the kingdom. Jesus is not now reigning, he is setting up, getting all who will reign with him, ready.
Jesus also said this.Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
What people, and what generation was he talking about? Has that generation past yet? Have all things been fulfilled yet?
The book of Revelation speaks of many things to come yet, far into the future, long after Rome had fallen, and that book was written at the end of the first Century; and Rome did not represent mans final attempt to rule the whole world. There was Napoleon who tried it; there was Hitler who tried; there was the Communist who tried it, and now the Muslims are trying it.
The Israelites have never stopped being God special people.Zec 2:8 ¶ For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you (Israel) toucheth the apple of his eye.
Which of the seven heads, kings, would you say, lasted but a little while?
Why do you think these seven empires are mentioned in the Bible, if not for the fact that they had very close relation with Israel?Do you believe this has happened already?
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
The book of Revelation has three beasts with seven heads, with horns, and crowns; what is, and what is not the same on these heads?
Georg
georgyou say;Mountain is a term used to describe a kingdom, or government.
The kingdom “of” God, the kingdom “of” heaven, means, the government of God which Jesus Christ will govern here on earth with all the saints.All man made governments will be destroyed by then'
IS THIS WHAT dANIEL RECEIVED FOR EXPLANATION ?
Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings;;WICH KING DO WE TALK ABOUT THE 1,2,3,4 BEING ROME ,NO???
, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people
. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end,
NOW ;ALL THOSE KINGDOM ;;MEANS 1,2,3,4 WHAT IS ROME
but it will itself endure forever.;THE KINGDOM THAT WAS SETUP WILL STAND FOREVER IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT IS AMONG HIS ENEMY S THAT, THAT KING AS TO SET IT UP
DID DAVID NOT WAIT UNTILL GOD GOT RID OF SAUL,?
THIS IS ALSO RELATED TO ROME AT THE TIME OF CHRIST.
Da 8:24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people.
Da 8:25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.THE GOSPEL ARE TRUMPETS TO CALL FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN BUT NOT MANY DID AND TODAY STILL NOT MANY DO,
ISRAEL DID NOT MAKE IT BECAUSE ;;Da 9:11 All Israel has transgressed your law and turned away, refusing to obey you.
“Therefore the curses and sworn judgments written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against youAS FOR MAT;24;34 IT IS RELATED TO THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEMIN 70 AD;A GENERATION 40 YEARS AFTER THE DEAD OF CHRIST DID NOT PAST ONLY 36 YEARS HAD PAST.
THIS GENERATION THAT JESUS TALKED ABOUT WAS HIS GENERATION SO CHRIST WAS 30 WEN HE START +36 SO IT DID NOT PAST 70 YEARS.
AS FOR MOST OF REVELATION IT IS STILL GOING ON,BUT WE TALK LATTER.
Pierre
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