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Hi j42,
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5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2014,15:56) Hi j42,
prov3
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
Hi NickWe are not putting our faith in men because the scriptures were inspired by God weren't they?
All the new bibles had expert scholars, changing the Word of God, appointing themselves to be the authority, making themselves the mediators between us and God. There were atheists and lesbians on that committee.
And you love them also, by your comments to me.
Is that not putting your faith in men?
My comments are showing you simple facts.
Facts you chose to ignore.
“Oh you are just repeating what men says”
Well prove what men says is false then.
Prove to me out of only 45 manuscripts that don't agree is enough evidence to produce new bible versions?
Prove to me that out of only 45 manuscripts one has the authority to delete not only verses, but entire chapters?
and then explain to me why these older 45 manuscripts are the most reliable?
And then tell me I am not allowed to use common sense, or logic?
Tell me to throw my brain away, that it's just sitting there empty, and to join all the sheep that are being led to the slaughter.Tell me something of use.
I am advising to all to turn back to God,
and don't let yourselves be ripped off.Hi j42,
Do you know about the king and his advisors?
faith in the Word needs the Spirit to witness tooQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2014,07:18) Hi,
The OT is absolutely pure.The NT still has to be carefully sifted for the additions of men.
Hi NickDon't you mean the “deletions” of men?
Hi j42
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_IWhat was deleted?
Pierre
You don't trust God?
That's fine.
That's you, not me.If you prefer the 45 pieces of evidence that contradict each other as a greater witness, compared to over 5000 copies that agree with each other, you go for it.
And if you think that is a good enough reason to call it a more reliable source, and a good enough reason to bring out endless bible translations, then you stay where you are.
No one is forcing you to get rid of your 30 bibles or so.
I don't need a book shelf for mine,
mine fits in my hand bag, and it has all I need with no verses or chapters missing.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2014,19:09) Hi j42 What was deleted?
Hi NickWhich version gives you accurate truth?
John 6:47, “…He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
John 6:47 ” Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life”Mark 10:24, “…Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!”
Mark 10:24, “…Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of GodLuke 4:4, “And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.”
Luke 4:4, “Jesus answered, It is written: Man does not live on bread alone.”Revelation 2:15, “So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.”
Revelation 2:15, “Likewise you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans.”Colossians 1:14, “In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:”
Colossians 1:14, “In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.”Which one is easier to understand?
Galatians 5:12, “I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
Galatians 5:12, “As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!”Hi j42,
Many can be used so long as you are aware of their limitations.
Some are bad as you show and to be avoided.Which are popular with the cults?
Which are easiest to control folks with?Hi J42,
The bible itself points to the need for people to be reborn from above.
The Spirit wrote the bible and is essential to be able to understand it.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2014,19:51) Hi j42,
Many can be used so long as you are aware of their limitations.
Some are bad as you show and to be avoided.Which are popular with the cults?
Which are easiest to control folks with?
NickCults?
One can have the true Word of God in his possession,
and still be led astray.
You cannot blame the bible for that,
but the spirit in that person.There is only one truth.
Everyone has the right however, which bible they chose to study from.
There are always choices in everything we do.
Satan has made sure of that, and God let him.
but in the end we are personally accountable.The point I am making is not to let yourself get ripped off.
The Word of God can always be trusted to be perfect.
Word to Word, faultless.
But man says, No, you can't trust it, so let's pick it apart, and dissect it,
and delete verses that are not in our manuscripts,
cause we have only 45 pieces, not complete to say the least,
but sales are down, and the people are getting upset, because those verses are gone,
so let's revise it, and put the verses back in,
and we will put a little footnote there to say “this verse is not in the original, most oldest and reliable manuscripts”,
but we'll print it anyway to not offend you, but it shouldn't be there in the first place,
so do what you want with it,
and don't forget to tell everyone,
that the KJV cannot be trusted as the pure Word of God,
undefiled,
and fight them tooth and nail over this.
So bring out the Hebrew and Greek and start in talking tongues to them,
they'll go away.Quote (journey42 @ April 09 2014,14:16) Pierre You don't trust God?
That's fine.
That's you, not me.If you prefer the 45 pieces of evidence that contradict each other as a greater witness, compared to over 5000 copies that agree with each other, you go for it.
And if you think that is a good enough reason to call it a more reliable source, and a good enough reason to bring out endless bible translations, then you stay where you are.
No one is forcing you to get rid of your 30 bibles or so.
I don't need a book shelf for mine,
mine fits in my hand bag, and it has all I need with no verses or chapters missing.
j42who says 5 0r 6000 pieces there are 60000 pieces in the dead sea scroll
this is way more than the the kjv worshipers can find in their version,a good thing is that the kjv made revision ,
Quote I don't need a book shelf for mine,
mine fits in my hand bag, and it has all I need with no verses or chapters missing.my bible fits in my phone and without a verse missing ,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,04:46) Hi j42,
We do not worship the book
What of the ADDED words
NickPhilippians 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
The Word of life came out of that book.
You may regard it as only a book
but to some of us that book is life
without that book there is no life,
and without that book there is only darkness.
Those words are alive and they are spirit.Be careful how you handle the Word of God.
Treat it with respect, for it is holy
His Word is a powerful weapon,
and can be used to save your soul,
or used as a weapon against you.Hi J42,
No the word of life came from God and is reflected in the book.
The apostles did not carry any books but used the sword of the Spirit.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,06:44) Hi J42,
No the word of life came from God and is reflected in the book.
The apostles did not carry any books but used the sword of the Spirit.
NickIt's like explaining to a brick wall.
You like to argue everything. I don't think we can help you any further.This is my final answer to you.
We don't have scrolls anymore. The scriptures have been all put together in a book for us. In one book.
It's the words in that book that give life.John ate the little book of rev. It was sweet in his mouth but bitter in his stomach. He ate the words. He ate the truth.
Quote (journey42 @ April 10 2014,01:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,04:46) Hi j42,
We do not worship the book
What of the ADDED words
NickPhilippians 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
The Word of life came out of that book.
You may regard it as only a book
but to some of us that book is life
without that book there is no life,
and without that book there is only darkness.
Those words are alive and they are spirit.Be careful how you handle the Word of God.
Treat it with respect, for it is holy
His Word is a powerful weapon,
and can be used to save your soul,
or used as a weapon against you.
j42Philippians 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
THE WORD OF LIVE IS THE PROMISE GIVEN FROM CHRIST THROUGH HIS APOSTLES ;
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2014,16:37) j42 Philippians 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
THE WORD OF LIVE IS THE PROMISE GIVEN FROM CHRIST THROUGH HIS APOSTLES ;
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
That's exactly right Pierre.We believe in Christ through their message. They went out and spread the word to the gentiles.
We have that Word now that they preached,
and we have it in print,
so we believe every word they spoke, and we take nothing away from that nor add to it.
We now handle that same Word of Life.
We read it, we live it, it is inside us,
we preach it, teach it, and use it for edification, for reproof, for doctrine.Most people however don't believe everything they spoke, as they've taken whole verses away, KEY WORDS, and prefer the paraphrased versions.
And you are one of them.
So you have not handled the Word of Life, (the Word of God) with the most respect have you?Your conscience bears witness, and you know that deep down inside don't you?
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