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Also, in reading some of the banter of Kejonn and Nick, I feel like I need to remind those who are sure of their faith to remain patient with those of us who are doubting or wavering in our faith. During the searching process there is much anger to be worked out. There was a time when I felt completely duped by God and I was angry. It's part of the process….
Stronger brother's uphold the weaker – and we thank you!
Hi KJ,
They had hope.
But I do not think they had much detailed knowledge.Proverbs 10:28
The hope of the righteous shall be gladness: but the expectation of the wicked shall perish.
Isaiah 38:18
For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.If they knew Ps 119 they would know God would quicken the dead.
The earth and not heaven was their inheritance.
Thanks, Nick. I just was really wondering about their hope in the OT for the afterlife. There isn't much mentioned in the OT about it, is there?
What did they think the prophesied Messiah would bring to THEM after they slept with their forefather's. Is there teaching in the OT that tells them they will receive eternal life because of him…..because of Jesus?
Quote (Not3in1 @ Jan. 24 2008,11:19) I was thinking….. The folks in the OT died with no hope of the resurrection. Where was their hope? Did they believe in heaven and they would go there?
There was no solid belief in an afterlife by Jews until they went into exile. It is thought by many that they were then influenced by Zoroastrianism, and they started believing in an after life and dualism (evil vs good, darkness vs light).In fact, the title Pharisee comes from Parsi, which is basically a follower of the Zoroastrian religion. As you may recall, the Pharisees believed in an afterlife while the Saducees did not.
Ah ya….curious stuff Kejonn.
I was just thinking how sad it must have been for them not to have a faith of being with God after their life on earth.
But more importantly, because of our questions of the OT, I wanted to know if it was written in the OT that there was a promise to live again? When King David died, did he think that was it?
Quote (Not3in1 @ Jan. 24 2008,16:54) Ah ya….curious stuff Kejonn. I was just thinking how sad it must have been for them not to have a faith of being with God after their life on earth.
But more importantly, because of our questions of the OT, I wanted to know if it was written in the OT that there was a promise to live again? When King David died, did he think that was it?
Actually, Judaism in essence is in many ways more practical than Christianity. Christians spend to much time thinking about the hereafter and not focusing enough on the here and now. Does the hope of heaven make you a better mother? A better wife? A better friend? A better worker?Hi KJ,
Hope of heaven?
Judaism is useless to non Jews.
The Spirit enlivens and enables believers in Christ.Nick,
I'm referring to the fact that practicing Jews focus more of their time improving life here while Christianity does not. By this I'm saying we can learn from them and stop focusing so much on heaven. Make this life the best we can and we'll let God take care of the life we have in heaven.
Yes, the fruit that Paul spoke of would make the world a better place. Yet I don't see it happening. So in the meantime, we've got some work to do.
Did you know… That Jehovah's Witnesses use the Old Testament (Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures), as much as they use the New Testiment (Christian-Greek Scriptures)
Sevena
mmm. I'd say we use the Greek scriptures more like 55% of the time and the Hebrew 45%. But it's close.
I notice that whenever I'm in the valleys of my walk with Christ, it's when I'm going through the harder times in life, and the times that I struggle the most, and sometimes doubt, I usually find myself in the prophets of the OT. I find myself growing the most and best in the NT reading though. I used to read the OT a lot more than I do now. This year I've been in both 1 Peter and Romans 8 thus far. I've been focusing less on the psalms and proverbs, and I can't remember much OT prophet readings this year.
God said, “I lay before you, life and death, good and evil, right and wrong, the old will of God and the New Will of God. Now, you choose which one you wish to make Truth to you. Since religion and the church of the old will was in error/sin,and were lost sheep, I will choose the New will of God, established and secured through Jesus whom I made Lord of my life.If Jesus says that God is Love then that is what he is.Most of the Gods and Lords of the old will appear to be murders, and thieves, killing and plundering or they are telling others to do it. I tend to pick out the believers that were delivered and blessed by God to learn from. The chosen people of God have always been and always will be those of faith. Not a bloodline! By faith,Abraham,Jacob,Noah,Lot,Daniel and many more, non bloodline, chosen of God by faith. TK
tk
yes, but God never changed,there is to me no new law in reality the new is a extension of the old,
the apostles use the old to explain all things,
to understand Gods way we should consider the entire bible views ,by this we put more value to the words of Christ,and the explanations of Paul.all
it is impossible to know the true God ,if we remove all the quotes from the old testament found in the new testament.
the word of God is one from the beginning of Genesis to Revelation, and we do not need the apocrypha books.
and it is not what religion does in God eyes ,but what we do as individual.
religion groups do not save,they are merely motherly help for the beginners but could be dangerous because of false teachings,
and this is why we always have to be on our Gard to check all things with the scriptures,because at the end of it all we will stand alone before Christ for judgement.
Pierre
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