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- July 15, 2007 at 6:11 am#59870LaurelParticipant
Washing feet has absolutely nothing to do with sin. Foot washing is an act of kindness, showing that we serve one another as He served His Father, so He also served us.
July 15, 2007 at 7:06 am#59878NickHassanParticipantOh I see.
Nothing spiritual then?July 15, 2007 at 7:08 am#59880NickHassanParticipantHi L,
So where is the washing of the feet ritual practiced frequently in response to this command?
Catholics do it once a year.July 15, 2007 at 7:19 am#59883Not3in1ParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,19:08) Hi L,
So where is the washing of the feet ritual practiced frequently in response to this command?
Catholics do it once a year.
Catholics only wash their feet once a year?July 15, 2007 at 7:22 am#59884NickHassanParticipantritually
July 15, 2007 at 7:36 am#59888Not3in1ParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,19:22) ritually
That actually sounds pretty neat to me.I bet it would be a cool experience to wash other's feet in the manner that Christ washed his disciples feet.
July 15, 2007 at 8:12 am#59896NickHassanParticipantHi not3,
Why have all others ignored the command?
Perhaps they saw the symbolism?July 15, 2007 at 2:38 pm#59917kenrchParticipantHeb 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,”
Heb 10:17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
Heb 10:18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
If you are born again of the Spirit of God then you should be growing and not breaking God's law. But as a child makes mistakes so are we children and are forgiven being under grace but once an adult and choose to break God's law then there is NO forgiveness.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
“Born of God sinneth not” How do you NOT sin? Through Him who lives in us gives us the POWER to keep the commandments of God. Is this scripture saying it's ok to break God's law, that because of Grace we do not have to keep God's law?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
We are to walk according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Those who walk not according to the Spirit Cannot keep God's law because the Spirit is not in them. Those who say we no longer have to keep God's law evidently are walking according to the flesh and are unable to keep God's law as the scriptures are declaring.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Once saved, baptized, forgiven, and then under grace instead of death.
Does grace give us freedom to sin? A stupid question you say? Then why say we no longer have to keep the Law of God but we are under grace. IF we break the Law of God then we sin, before Christ the penalty was death. Since Christ we are forgiven THIS IS GRACE. We should grow and never sin! But while growing we make mistakes so we are under grace for the forgiveness of BREAKING GOD'S LAW which is SIN, 1John 3:4.
NO! I'm not saying that we keep the law to get saved I'm saying what scripture PLAINLY and CLEARLY says Whosoever is born of God does not sin! They strive to KEEP God's law they don't say “it's ALRIGHT TO BREAK GOD'S LAW” BECAUSE WE WILL BE FORGIVEN!
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 WHOSOEVER therefore shall break one of these least commandments, AND TEACH MEN SO, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.It's ok to break God's law that is SIN, (1 John 3:4) because we are no longer under death but under grace?
Where does scripture say this?
IHN&L,
Ken
July 15, 2007 at 5:43 pm#59924LaurelParticipantKen you speak as a wise man. I stand with you.
If Nick thinks the foot washing covers sin he is sadly mistaken, only the blood of Messiah made that possible. Foot washing is to teach humility by serving those who are like-minded and remembering we are all equal, and it is good to serve one another.
Footwashing is to take place one time a year on Passover when we eat the unleavened bread and drink the wine, His body and His blood. Symbolic of A pure body without sin without the puffed up ego's of men, and the wine which represents His blood, His life given to all who believe in Him and follow His way.
Once again His Spiritual ways are made physical, so that we humans can grasp His ways more easily. and untill you DO, you can not FEEL.
July 15, 2007 at 5:53 pm#59925LaurelParticipantJust because Catholics wash their feet, they still pray to a priest (a human) for forgiveness. They still worship on another day. They are so messed up, I would NEVER do anything that a Catholic told me to do!!!
Since you admire this thing Catholics do then you are a Catholic.
Orthodox Jews celebrate the Feasts, but they wear a kepa on their head, I do not wear a kepa, but I celebrate the Feasts.
Come out of Babylon all you who sleep! There is only one way to the gates of heaven and Messiah is the light of the path that leads to it. If you do not do the things He did, you are obviously on another path.
Satan takes things and places them in his path to make it look as if it was the Way to everlasting life, BUT his way is not exactly like the true Way, only enough to keep those who are unlearned turned on enough to fall for it.
July 15, 2007 at 5:59 pm#59926Not3in1ParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,20:12) Hi not3,
Why have all others ignored the command?
Perhaps they saw the symbolism?
As for me, I believe Jesus was, once again, showing us his humility. By putting others above himself, he was a crowning example of how to treat our brothers. I don't believe it had a lot to do with dirty, smelly feet.The “washing” of feet with water was a foreshadowing of the washing of our sins with Jesus' blood.
John 13:7,8
“Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing [by washing their feet], but later you will understand.”…..”Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”
I do not see that the washing of feet was a command. How could it be? We cannot wash away the sins of our fellow men, only Jesus could do that.
Maybe this is why we do not hear about the disciples carry out this “command.”
July 15, 2007 at 6:08 pm#59927LaurelParticipantWashing feet has absolutely nothing to do with forgiveness of sin. Why do you keep saying that?
Washing feet is to humble us to serve one another as He served us.
July 15, 2007 at 6:09 pm#59929Not3in1ParticipantQuote (Laurel @ July 16 2007,05:53) Just because Catholics wash their feet, they still pray to a priest (a human) for forgiveness. They still worship on another day. They are so messed up, I would NEVER do anything that a Catholic told me to do!!! Since you admire this thing Catholics do then you are a Catholic.
Orthodox Jews celebrate the Feasts, but they wear a kepa on their head, I do not wear a kepa, but I celebrate the Feasts.
Come out of Babylon all you who sleep! There is only one way to the gates of heaven and Messiah is the light of the path that leads to it. If you do not do the things He did, you are obviously on another path.
Satan takes things and places them in his path to make it look as if it was the Way to everlasting life, BUT his way is not exactly like the true Way, only enough to keep those who are unlearned turned on enough to fall for it.
Laurel,I'm not sure who you are directing this post to, but you speak with judgement on your tongue. Who has appointed you to judge your brothers and sisters in Christ? Surely not our dear Lord who teaches us to love one another. Surely not our Master who teaches us to remove the plank in our own eye before we see fit to try and remove the speck from our brothers eye! And again, who will judge God's children?
You are not qualified, sister.
I encourage you to press on towards the goal which is our salvation. Along the way, build your brethern up instead of tearing them down. Even Catholics need this encouragement; they certainly do not need the condemnation. We have a few Catholics on this board who are lurkers……you are a light to them. Let them be lifted up by your witness. This is said with love, take what you can and disregard the rest.
July 15, 2007 at 6:10 pm#59930LaurelParticipantFoot washing is a part of and I repeat a part of the Passover assembly.
Not 3 will never understand this since you quit observance of the Passover for the observance of Easter sun-god worship.
July 15, 2007 at 6:13 pm#59931Not3in1ParticipantQuote (Laurel @ July 16 2007,06:08) Washing feet has absolutely nothing to do with forgiveness of sin. Why do you keep saying that? Washing feet is to humble us to serve one another as He served us.
I see something in scripture that you do not, and this is OK. You have your opinion and I have mine.Scripture is spiritually discerned. Quite possibly, you and I are at a different place with the Lord and are learning different things. But please do not think that you are the only one with truth; you are surrounded by many brothers and sisters on this board who have a good portion of truth to share as well.
July 15, 2007 at 6:13 pm#59932LaurelParticipantNot 3,
I represent my master Messiah Y'shua, you will never make me believe that it is ok to encourage anyone to do anything against Him.Being politically correct is not acceptable doctrine. It is my duty to point those in the dark toward the light.
July 15, 2007 at 6:15 pm#59933LaurelParticipantIt is plain, if footwashing was a shadow of forgiveness, then there was no need for blood. You are on another path. I already knew that though.
July 15, 2007 at 6:21 pm#59935LaurelParticipantI am not here to please people. I am here to set the record straight. If some are offended, then so it shall be.
If some repent and need to be healed, I am here to show that we are forgiven. All that is in the past is done away with. Step out in faith, dod no do any more those things that are against Him. I will encourage any one and every one who is struggling against the things of this world, in order to follow His Way.
I will not be a stumbling block, and lie and say it is ok to do those things, that are against Him.
July 15, 2007 at 6:22 pm#59936Not3in1ParticipantQuote (Laurel @ July 16 2007,06:13) Not 3,
I represent my master Messiah Y'shua, you will never make me believe that it is ok to encourage anyone to do anything against Him.Being politically correct is not acceptable doctrine. It is my duty to point those in the dark toward the light.
“Your duty”? Oh, sister………….We already have a Saviour! You will burn-out quickly if you think it is your responsibility to save everyone.
All of the law can be summed up very quickly: Love one another.
Press on, dear sister, and God be with you as you love others to his dear Son.
July 15, 2007 at 7:13 pm#59945LaurelParticipantYou put words in my mouth that I did not say. I can not save anyone. If I did not care, I would not say anything. Do you let you grandchildren play in traffic? I bet you don't. Why not if they are enjoying themselves, you shouldn't attempt to spoil their joy according to your doctrine.
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