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Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 07 2007,19:46) Quote (Laurel @ July 07 2007,17:28) Before I go to bed, I'll tell you plainly. I do my best to obey the commands. I do not feel that I am good enough to get to heaven because I do this. I do this because I'm grateful for my forgiveness, and for the teaching I receive in following His way. I know being righteous is pleasing to my Father in heaven. Am I righteous, no but I will try to be because my Master was. I follow the living Elohim, not the dead.
Hi L,
Jesus is our righteousness.
We put on the robe of righteousness when we are reborn into the Son.
Our own righteousness is as filthy rags.Heb4
” 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.”
Here is a definition of the Sabbath. It has NO influence of any religion. It is simply the TRUTH.Even with this true statement their are those who KNOW that the Trinity is a false doctrine of the Catholic church still refuse to keep the forth commandment. They would rather keep the false sabbath of the harlet. If the teaching of the Trinity is false and comes from the Catholic church then why would one keep her false doctrine of the Sabbath?
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In the Bible, the Sabbath is a weekly religious day of rest as ordained by one of the Ten Commandments:” the third by Eastern, Roman Catholic and Lutheran numbering, the fourth by other Protestants [See Dan .7:25]”. The Hebrew word (“šhabbat”, שַׁבָּת, Strong's H7676) means “the [day] of rest (or ceasing)”, as it entails a ceasing or resting from labor. The institution of the Old Testament Sabbath, a “perpetual covenant … [for] the people of Israel” (Exodus 31:16-17-NRSV), was in respect for the day during which God rested after having completed the Creation in six days: Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 23:12, Isaiah 56:6-8.
In the New Testament, Jesus declared that the Sabbath was made for man's good (Mark 2:27), and that therefore the son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28). Jesus, in his teachings, rebuked the Jews, and taught that it was right to do good on the Sabbath (Mark 3:4. Luke 6:9). The Sabbath continued to be a time of communal gathering for Christians (Hebrews 10:25), as well as learning the will of God (Acts 15:21). Christians continued to observe the seventh day as holy for centuries after the crucifixion of Jesus. First day observance (also called the Lord's Day, on Sunday) became traditional in the early Christian Church. Catholic (Roman) and then later the Orthodox (Gr.”[7][8][9][10][11][12][13] Though greatly reduced in number, some Christians continued to observe the seventh day Sabbath, even up to this day [Rev 12:17].
“Thus the writer to the Hebrews is saying that since the time of Joshua an observance of the Sabbath rest has been outstanding.” The literal translation then of Hebrews 4:9 is “Therefore a Sabbath observance has been left behind for the people of God.” Further, the internal evidence of the preceding verses would indicate that the Sabbath observance mentioned in this verse is indeed the seventh day Sabbath and not the Lord's Day Sabbath. In verse 8, the Hebrew writer states, “For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have afterward spoken of another day.” On first glance in our English translations, that word “another” would give the appearance of a different day. However, in the Greek, there are two words that mean “another”. “Heteros” means “another of a different kind”, while “allos” means “another of the same kind”. The word used in Hebrews 4:8 is “allos”, indicating a Sabbath day of the same kind as referred to in Hebrews 4:8-5, that is, the seventh-day Sabbath. In verse 7, the Hebrews writer uses the term “certain day”. The Greek word for “certain” is “tis”. It is clearly referrencing a specific day, and not the general thought of an eternal rest. The force of Hebrews 3:11-4:11 then seems to be saying that because Christians look toward the eternal rest of heaven, the type or shadow of the earthly Sabbath rest still remains, or is “left behind”, literally, for Christians to observe. This is significant, in light of the greater context of the book of Hebrews, which deals with the entire Aaronic priesthood and its methods of worship as found in the Old Covenant being supplanted by the Melchizedek priesthood of Jesus Christ”. As the Hebrews writer states in Hebrews 12:27, “And this word, Yet once more, signifies the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things which have been made, that those things which are not shaken may remain.”
While it is true that several times the apostles also met on the first day of the week, there is disagreement as to whether they were continuing into the first day (Saturday evening) after having already been gathered for the Sabbath. That would have been the beginning of the first day (Saturday evening, or any day of the week after a High Sabbath) when some activities would have begun that had not been allowed on the Sabbaths (such as preparing a meal, collecting money, and planning for travel). In addition, in the book of Acts, also believed to be written by Luke, meeting on the Sabbath is referred to eight times. Generally the religious festivals, new moons, and accompanying high sabbaths of Leviticus 23, Numbers 28-29, Isaiah 1:13-14, Hosea 2:11, Ezekiel 45:17 and Colossians 2:16-17 were continued to be observed, as can be seen in such passages as Acts 18:21, 1 Corinthians 5:8, 2 Peter 2:13, Jude 1:12, and Acts 27:9. Some Sabbatarians believe these High Sabbaths to have been fulfilled by the coming of Christ, and their misused practice condemned by Isaiah and Hosea. However, there are some who show that these Holy Days are still referenced in the New Testament as observed holy days, and are relevant to Christians.
For example, John in Revelation said he was in the spirit on the Lord's day Revelation 1:10. Scripture reveals that the Lord's day is the seventh day Sabbath in Isaiah 58:13-14.eek) churches officially changed the Saturday Sabbath to the Sunday Sabbath. “Catholic as well as many Protestant sources admit freely that this change was based upon the authority of the Church, and has no basis in ScriptureQuote (Laurel @ July 06 2007,16:25) Nick, So far out of everyone here you are closer to what I know than anyone else.
Really? I'm saddened.I take that back. I thought he was on the right track, but the more I read of his posts, the more I see he's somewhere I do not want to be.
Chap,
Just so you know, I probably stand alone here, I follow the commandments, and believe Y'shua Messiah is the Son of Elohim. I rest on the 7th day and celebrate YHWH's Feasts, Passover Tabernacles etc. I am not a subscriber of the trinity, but I know that Y'shua is in the Father and the Father is in Him. Y'shua Messiah is my master, savior and my light. I follow Him. He will lead me in the way. He will lead me to the narrow gate, that leads to the heavenly kingdom.Hi L,
You cannot hope for salvation by the OT law.
You are not a jew.Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.You must be reborn from above.
Quote (Laurel @ July 08 2007,11:16) Chap,
Just so you know, I probably stand alone here, I follow the commandments, and believe Y'shua Messiah is the Son of Elohim. I rest on the 7th day and celebrate YHWH's Feasts, Passover Tabernacles etc. I am not a subscriber of the trinity, but I know that Y'shua is in the Father and the Father is in Him. Y'shua Messiah is my master, savior and my light. I follow Him. He will lead me in the way. He will lead me to the narrow gate, that leads to the heavenly kingdom.
Is there anything wrong with this?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2007,11:30) Hi L,
You cannot hope for salvation by the OT law.
You are not a jew.Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.You must be reborn from above.
True the law does not save.But we who are saved establish the law by keeping His Commandments.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
IHN&L,
Ken
The Law doesn't save, Jesus does. The Law helps save. Without Jesus or the keeping of the law, you are not saved.
“If you love me you will keep my Commandments.” Correct?
Quote (Laurel @ July 08 2007,11:16) Chap,
Just so you know, I probably stand alone here, I follow the commandments, and believe Y'shua Messiah is the Son of Elohim. I rest on the 7th day and celebrate YHWH's Feasts, Passover Tabernacles etc. I am not a subscriber of the trinity, but I know that Y'shua is in the Father and the Father is in Him. Y'shua Messiah is my master, savior and my light. I follow Him. He will lead me in the way. He will lead me to the narrow gate, that leads to the heavenly kingdom.
Hi Laurel:I encourage you to keep striving to obey the Lord. I may have a little different understanding relative to the Sabbath day having to be a specific day and also about the feast days, but I also am striving to obey the Lord.
Jesus said:
Quote 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till * * heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till * * all be fulfilled.
5:19
Whosoever * * therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.And:
Quote 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
22:37
* Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38
This is the first and great commandment.
22:39
And the second is like unto it *, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.The first four of the Ten Commandments deal with our expressing our love for God specifically for him through our obedience to them, the others showing our love for him by loving our neighbors as our selves as follows:
Quote Ro 13:10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.Jesus said:
Quote John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.Relative to feast days the following scripture states:
Quote Col. 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
2:17
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.God Bless
Quote (942767 @ July 09 2007,06:01) Quote (Laurel @ July 08 2007,11:16) Chap,
Just so you know, I probably stand alone here, I follow the commandments, and believe Y'shua Messiah is the Son of Elohim. I rest on the 7th day and celebrate YHWH's Feasts, Passover Tabernacles etc. I am not a subscriber of the trinity, but I know that Y'shua is in the Father and the Father is in Him. Y'shua Messiah is my master, savior and my light. I follow Him. He will lead me in the way. He will lead me to the narrow gate, that leads to the heavenly kingdom.
Hi Laurel:I encourage you to keep striving to obey the Lord. I may have a little different understanding relative to the Sabbath day having to be a specific day and also about the feast days, but I also am striving to obey the Lord.
Jesus said:
Quote 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till * * heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till * * all be fulfilled.
5:19
Whosoever * * therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.And:
Quote 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
22:37
* Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38
This is the first and great commandment.
22:39
And the second is like unto it *, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.The first four of the Ten Commandments deal with our expressing our love for God specifically for him through our obedience to them, the others showing our love for him by loving our neighbors as our selves as follows:
Quote Ro 13:10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.Jesus said:
Quote John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.Relative to feast days the following scripture states:
Quote Col. 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
2:17
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.God Bless
Sure if you want to keep the feasts days according to Paul that's fine Rom. ch 14.But IMHO Jesus fulfilled those feasts days associated with the sacrifical laws.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
It was the sacrifical law that Paul spoke as being done away with as you can see in the above scripture.
Scripture can be quoted with Paul keeping the feast days but Paul said to the Jews he became a Jew in order to save the Jews with ears, what a better time to preach the Gospel of Christ than at a feasts day He fulfilled.
1Co 9:19 For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them.
1Co 9:20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.
1Co 9:21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.
1Co 9:23 I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings.
IHN&L,
Ken
Hi Nick:
Yes, the Sabbath was made for man. All of God's laws are for the good of mankind. Sin is detrimental to you and to those that you sin against. The body, for a Christian, is the Holy Temple of God, and operates more efficient if it is rested.
Quote Isaiah 58:13
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and SHALT HONOR HIM BY, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:To whom it may concern,
The law saves no man neither Jew nor Gentile. The law was and is a guide, a teacher, a light. The law is the Word. The word is the Spirit of truth. The Word is the Son. We have all sinned. No matter how good we are from the time we are saved untill the day we die, no obedience is good enough to cover the sins of the past. Good works do not erase the sin we have already committed. Once we understand the law and let it teach us, we learn how to stay in the Way. The only covering for our sin is the blood of Messiah.
The Feasts still stand today as much as before Y'shua Messiah and even more now. They were from the beginning. All is not fulfilled. Passover is fullfilled, that is why Paul says, keep the Feasts as he has delivered them, not with old leaven, but with the “unleavened bread” of sincerity and truth. This Feast was given full meaning by Messiah. He is the lamb of Passover. Celebrate that all you Scripture stompers. Y'shua Messiah is our once and for all sacrifice, our high priest in the order of Malektzedek, our Mediator, the final offering for our sin, our last chance to get it right. Here these Words and grow in grace. “These are My Feasts.” saith YHWH!!!1 Cor. 9:20 says
The only way to understand someones belief is to put yourself in their shoes. See how they learned and then you will see how to share the truths as written. Learn where they went astray and place a big sign there that says Wrong Way! Do Not Enter, Danger!I see people who want to do good things for each other. They celebrate Christmas because they believe in their heart that it is for Jesus. I then need to show them that traditions of men lead us astray from the real Feast, the true Messiah, and how man made doctrine and traditions always lead to sin.
So I ask all of you who celebrate Christmas? Why a tree? Why gold and silver balls? Why is it always for the children? Why all the debt? Where is the Messiah in all of this? Why is Christmas time the time of year when there is more suicide than any other time of year? Why all the unhappiness when trying to decide on gifts? Why do you only go to church on Christmas and Easter and why is it always on Sunday?
The only Feast that always falls on sunday is Weeks (Pentecost). Why do you do it man's way rather than what YHWH instructed? Are you better than God? Were you given permission by Him to change His times and His laws that He put in His seasons?He is not here and never was. But keep trying to force it and say it is for Him even though it is a cover-up to the real Feast. The Feast of Tabernacles.
Don't believe me? Good. Believe His Word and look for the truth. You will find it too. We can never give a gift that will compare to the Father's gift to us, so why do still try year after year?
Hi Bro. Ken:
You say:
Quote Sure if you want to keep the feasts days according to Paul that's fine Rom. ch 14. But IMHO Jesus fulfilled those feasts days associated with the sacrifical laws.
I agree with you regarding this.
He fulfilled the sacrifice. He also fulfilled first fruits. All the Feasts have not been fulfilled. We look forward to His return to judge the living and the dead, we also look forward to a renewed heaven and a renewed earth.
Till heaven and earth pass not one jot or one tittle will pass from the law until all is fulfilled.
Communion is to be held at the Feast of Passover, we share in His blood and body, because He is our Passover. Abraham did it and you can learn about in Scripture where Abraham had bread and wine with the high priest in the order of Malektzedek. Y'shua is the Highest priest in the order of Malektzedek. So you will see upon more study, that even from old, all must believe in Messiah to be saved.
Study with perserverence and in faith, you will see what I see already. When you read that Y'shua taught His deciples “these things”, He was teaching them about the feasts of YHWH and how He must fulfill these things.
We have a long way to go yet so don't rest untill Sabbath.
Nick started a new thred about Nimrod and the trinity. It is good to read the article and do more research on you own. This about the history of the world and it's people. We are that people. We received traditions from our forefather's following this pagen sun worship. Isreal was cast out of Jerusalem for following these pagen gods. They were scattered among ALL nations and that includes the good old USA. Who is Israel today? Maybe you are. After two thousand years maybe there is a little bit of Israel in all of us. Don't keep saying you aren't Israel. Israel became the gentile nations everywhere on the planet. They worship the sun gods. Don't most Christain's worship on Sun-god day? Don't most Christains worship Easter. Don't most Christains celebrate the birth of their savior on December 25th, Tammuz birthday? You are Israel!! If you don't repent, He will force you out of your hiding places. It's all in His Word, and the birth pains are already begun.
Come out of babylon. Worship Him who made the heavens and the earth. How? Follow His laws! Believe Y'shua is the Messiah, the Son of Elohim.
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