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Quote (Stu @ April 05 2009,06:41) Quote (t8 @ April 05 2009,00:29) But Stu, you believe in the everything came from nothing delusion, or the everything has existed forever in varying (non-living/aware) forms delusion.
You should fix up your own backyard before trying to help out others, don't you think?
I do believe that everything 'came from nothing', and while every piece of evidence we have points to that, I am not so prideful as to claim that strong contrary evidence would not change my mind. There are some things we just don't know.Is there anything you don't know, t8? You have access to an omniscient being who grants favours. How did the baryons get separated asymmetrically from the anti-baryons? Will you ask for us?
Stuart
Stu has said that everything came from nothing.This is his cosmology. He believes in the “Theory of Nothing”, i.e, that Nothing did everything.
Of course common sense (the sixth sense) helps us to know that something comes from something and that nothing does nothing because it has no existence. For if nothing actually did something, then it would be something all a long. Nothing that becomes something = something and was never nothing in the first place.
Stu says there is no designer needed and that nothing did it all.
What is this Theory of Nothing? What nothingness meddling happened before the tiny fraction of a second after the big bang that marks the beginning of our knowledge?
This Nothing mythology is feeble in the face of the astonishing truth.
And now we can see a bit more into why it is written in scripture “The fool has said in his heart there is no God”.
This discussion is in response to:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=2054This discussion was brought to you by the letters C and S (which stand for common sense).
t8
Quote Stu has said that everything came from nothing.
I wasn’t me who said it originally. I and Stephen Hawking could both be wrong. Will you write the letter to Professor Hawking explaining to him why you think he is wrong?Quote This is his cosmology. He believes in the “Theory of Nothing”, i.e, that Nothing did everything.
You are still making an inarticulate strawman of what I think. How could ‘nothing’ do anything?Quote Of course common sense (the sixth sense) helps us to know that something comes from something and that nothing does nothing because it has no existence. For if nothing actually did something, then it would be something all a long. Nothing that becomes something = something and was never nothing in the first place.
This is the special christian sixth sense, the one that allows you to see people walk after they were killed?The problem with your statement, in relation to cosmology, are ‘in the first place’. Can you see why?
Quote Stu says there is no designer needed and that nothing did it all.
Strawman.Quote What is this Theory of Nothing? What nothingness meddling happened before the tiny fraction of a second after the big bang that marks the beginning of our knowledge?
Good question. I don’t think the ramblings of “Moses” are going to get us any closer to an answer, do you? Unless he had a Large Hadron Collider even bigger than the one at CERN, in which case scholars should be searching the Middle East for his lab book.Quote And now we can see a bit more into why it is written in scripture “The fool has said in his heart there is no God”.
How do we see that t8? Because you would rather attack things you don’t like?Quote This discussion was brought to you by the letters C and S (which stand for common sense).
They say truth is stranger than fiction. While dull human ignorance is enough to follow the dull ramblings of scripture, common sense will be entirely inadequate for getting anyone closer to an understanding of Big Bang cosmology. The universe is astounding, surprising, unpredictable at the quantum level, completely unlike the fiction of scripture, and yet you want to use a religious mentality to comprehend causality. Is it any wonder that christian fundamentalists have no scientific theory of cosmology at all, just a penchant for attacking what they hate?Stuart
I think you missed the point Stu.
I mirrored your post only to give you a view of yourself and how all that you say, can also be levelled at you.
I am trying to help you become more civil and to discuss things as adults, not enemies.
Quote (t8 @ April 12 2009,10:32) I am trying to help you become more civil and to discuss things as adults, not enemies.
While I feel no personal animosity to you t8 (love the christian, hate the delusion from which he suffers) I should think Romans 1:18 does not give you much choice but to make an enemy of me.Let me know when you are ready to drop Psalm 14:1 and discuss things like an adult.
Stuart
The wrath of God is God's job not mine.
Jesus was a friend of sinners and religious people of his day didn't like that about him. His answer was that the sick need a doctor and he was there to help heal their infirmities and ignorance. If at the end of our lives we find that we have rejected God, then that decision will be honoured for sure, but while we are here, we are to help. While we are here, it is good to encourage as many people as we can to know God.
God gives us exactly what we seek and if that includes rejection of him, then that will happen. Whatever the outcome, none of us can say I had no idea or plead ignorance because we all have some knowledge of God or at least what he gave as in our conscience.
Quote (Stu @ April 12 2009,20:00) Let me know when you are ready to drop Psalm 14:1 and discuss things like an adult. Stuart
Psalm 14:1 is written and I believe it. That will not stop me from being civil or mature. If I know that it is foolish to ride a motorbike on the back wheel instead of both wheels, that knowledge doesn't negate me not having a decent conversation with someone who rides a bike like that often.t8
Quote The wrath of God is God's job not mine.
When christians stay silent about god’s wrath, what do we hear of it? Stony silence!Quote Jesus was a friend of sinners and religious people of his day didn't like that about him.
Those haters of Jesus evidently included the writers of Leviticus, Deuteronomy and much of the bleatings of Saul of Tarsus.Quote His answer was that the sick need a doctor and he was there to help heal their infirmities and ignorance.
The con artist formerly known as Saul did not think Jesus actually did any literal medical healing. Are you talking about some other knids of diseases invented by snake oil-selling christians who then had the cure available for sale?!Quote If at the end of our lives we find that we have rejected God, then that decision will be honoured for sure, but while we are here, we are to help. While we are here, it is good to encourage as many people as we can to know God.
And what is your attitude towards those who have rejected your god and accepted another, for exactly the same kinds of reasons you want to tell everyone about your god?Quote God gives us exactly what we seek and if that includes rejection of him, then that will happen.
…except when the answer to the prayer is ‘no’!Now I am scared that, in my attempts to avoid your immoral god his answer will be ‘no’. I have publicly denied ‘him’ many times, and others have promised me that because of that I cannot endure a tedious eternity of constant sycophancy towards this murderous dictator. Can you give me any assurance that I have taken an effective course of action, t8?
Actually I am not scared at all…
Quote Whatever the outcome, none of us can say I had no idea or plead ignorance because we all have some knowledge of God or at least what he gave as in our conscience.
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A'as, God of wisdom Babylon/Hittite/Hurrian
A'ra, Local god Arabic
A-a, Goddess of the sun Babylon/Mesopotamia/Akkadia/Semitic
Aa Maakhuer, Lion god of truthful speech Egypt
Aabit, Goddess of song Egypt
Aaghu Gugu, Goddess of the of the dawn Cherokee
Aah, God of the moon of Memphis. Egypt
Aahmes Nefertari, Protector/punisher of humans elevated to goddesshood Egypt
Aakuluujjusi, Creator mother Inuit
Aasith, Goddess of the hunt, war, and the desert Egypt/Syria
Aataentsic, Goddess Iroquois
Aatxe, Evil spirit capable of assuming human form Basque
Ab Kin Xoc, God of war Mayan
Aba khatun Baikal, Goddess of the sea Siberia
Abaangui, God whose huge nose became the moon Guarani
Abaasy, Netherworld beings Yakut
Abaddon, Chief of the demons of the 7th hierarchy Hebrew/Christian
Abandinus, God known only by inscription Roman/Celtic/British
Abarta, God of the Tuatha De Danann Ireland
Abassi, Creator of the world Efik
Abat[t]ur, It weighs souls and/or their deeds Mandaean
Abeguwo, Rain goddess Melanesia/New Guinea
Abellio See Abello
Abello, God of apple trees Gaul
Abeona, Guardian goddess of children leaving home to go on their own Roman
Abere, Goddess of evil Melanesia
Abgal, Desert and tutelary god of the Bedouins Arabic
Abgal, Seven spirits who derived from the the Abzu Sumeria
Abhijit, Benevolent astral deity and goddess of fortune Hindu/Puranic
Abhijnaraja, Physician god and medicine Buddha Buddhist/Tibet
Abhiyoga, Generic name of the servile gods Jain
Abira, Creator Antioquia
Abnona, Goddess of the Black Forest Gaul
Abondia See Habondia
Abora, Supreme Being who sat in heaven and caused the stars to move Palma Is./Canary Is.
Abowie, Goddess of healing and sterility Ghana
Abraxas, Occult theonym; this god has the torso and arms of a man, head of a rooster and serpent legs Greek/Oriental
Abraxis See Abraxas
Abrsax See Abraxas
Abu, God of vegetation Sumeria
Abuk, Patron goddess of women and gardens Dinka
Abunciada See Habondia
Abundantia, Goddess of agriculture and abundance Roman
Abundita See Abundantia
Abziu, Primordial deity of underground water Mesopotamia/Sumeria
Acala, Protector of of teaching and defender of temples Buddhist/India
Acat, God of tattooists Mayan
Acatl See Omacatl
Acaum See Ah Can Cum
Acaviser, Goddess, one of the fates Etruscan
Acca, Goddess associated with Hercules Roman
Acca Larentia, Goddess of the earth and goddess of winter Roman/Etruscan
Accasbel, Most likely was an early god of wine or mead Ireland
Acchupta, Goddess of learning Jain
Acco, Goddess of evil Greek
Achelois, Goddess of the moon Greek
Achelous See Achlae
Achiyalatopa, Celestial giant monster with feathers of flint knives Zuni
Achlae, God of rivers of some standing in the community Greek
Achtland, Goddess of sex and magic Celtic
Acleloos See Achlae
Aclelous See Achlae
Aclla, Goddesses of war and virgins Inca/Quechua
Acna, Mother goddess Mayan
Acolmiztli, Minor chthonic underworld god Aztec
Acolnahuacatl, Minor chthonic underworld god Aztec
Acoran Gran Canary, Supreme Being who really really likes milk Canary Is.
Adad, God of wind, storm, flood and rain Mesopotamia/Babylonn
Adamanthea, Goddess of midwives Greek
Adamisil Wedo, Goddess of water Haiti
Adam[m]as, Parental godhead of the gnostic movement Nassenes
Adaro, God of the sea Melanesia/Polynesia
Addanc, Primordial giant/god Welsh
Adekagagwaa, Spirit of summer who rests during the winter in the south Iroquois
Adeona, Goddess of school children Roman
Adeos, Goddess of modesty Roman
Adhimukticarya, Minor goddess and deified Bhumis Buddhist/Vajrayana
Adibuddha, Primeval Buddha Buddhist
Adidharma, Primordial goddess Buddhist
Adikia, Goddess of injustice who is rather hard on the eyes Greek
Adimurti, Avatar of Vishnu Hindu
Aditi, Supreme creator of all that has been created Hindu
Adityas, Divine sons of Aditi, Varuna Aditya, Indra, Mitra, Rudra, Tvashtar and Vishnu Hindu
Adonis, God of nature Greek
Adonis, Dying and resurrected god who embodies vegetation scorched by the heat of the summer sunshine Syria/Phoenicia
Adrammelech, God to whom infants were burnt in sacrifice [only reference to the practice in the christian OT] Middle east
Adrastea, Goddess of war British
Adrasteia, Goddess of mountains who is the guardian of righteousness and avenges all wrongs Greek/Thrace/Trojan/Phrygian
Adro, Earthly god of grass fires Lugbara
Adroa, God who is an early version of Adro Africa
Adsullata, Goddess of hot springs British
Aea, Goddess of hunting G
reek
Aeacoc, Chthonic underworld god and one of the 3 gods of Hades Roman/Greek
Aebhel, Goddess who is a faery [interesting story] Ireland
Aebhel Afekan, Creator goddess Melanesia/Guinea
Aed, Underworld god known only from inscription Celtic/Ireland
Aedos, Goddess of modesty Roman
Aega, Goddess of war Greek
Aegeria, Goddess of prophecy invoked by pregnant women Roman
Aegir, God of the ocean germanic
Aelus See Aiolos
Aengus, God of love, worshipped from about 500 BC/400 AD Celtic/Ireland
Aeolos, Custodian of the four winds Greek
Aequitas, Minor spirit of fair dealing from 300 BCE Roman
Aerfen See Aerten
Aericura, Underworld god known only from inscription Roman/Celtic
Aeron See Aerten
Aerten, Goddess of fate Welsh/Cornish
Aesculapius, God of healing and of medicine Roman/Greek
Aesculapius See Ascelpius
Aesir, Pantheon of the gods norse/germanic
Aesma Daeva, Demon of lust and anger who is ticked at the cow Persia
Aestas, Goddess of summer usually portrayed nude and adorned with garlands of grain Roman
Aesun, God whose name means to be Ireland
Aether, God representing pure air and light Greek
Aetna, Goddess of mountains Roman
Aeval See Aebhel
Aeval, Goddess of sexual relations and small size Celtic
Afekan, Creator goddess Melanesia/New Guinea
Afi, God of rain and thunderstorms who does not tolerate women using his name Abkhaz
Afreet, Unclean spirits Arabic
Ag'o, Worshipped by hunters Dahomean
Agaman Nibo, Goddess of the dead Haiti
Agamede, Goddess of healing Greek
Agas, Demon of illness, especially the eyes Iran
Agasaya, Goddess of war Semitic
Agathos Daimon, Good genius/guardian spirit Greek
Agbe See Aylekete
Age Fon, God of animals; revered by hunters Benin/Africa(west)
Agischanak, Goddess of the earth Tlingit/Alaska
Aglaia, Youngest of the three graces Greek
Aglibol, God of the moon Roman/Syria/Greek/Palmaryia
Agni, God of lightning, fire, and the sun and who also mediates between the gods and humans India
Agni Hindu, God of fire and guardian of homes Vedic
Agnikumara, Youthful appearing gods associated with rain and thunder Jain
Agnostos Theos, Unknown gods who were always worshipped as a group Greek
Agrona, Goddess of slaughter Welsh
Agrotera, Goddess of good health and hunting Greek
Agu'gux, Creator god who was claimed to be the Christian god under Russia Orthodox priests Aleut
Aguara, Fox god who gave the carob tree to the people Tunpa/Chiriguano
Agwe, Mother of the sea Benin
Agwe, Goddess manifestation of Yemanja Haiti/Vodun
Agwe, God of the ocean Vodun
Agweta, Goddess of the sea Haiti
Ah Bolom Tzacab, Agriculture god who controlled rain and thunder Mayan
Ah Bolon Dz'acab, Fertility god associated with rain and thunder Mayan
Ah Can Cum, Hunter god; protector of the animals Mayan
Ah Chun Caan, Deity of the city of Merida Mexico
Ah Chuy Kak, God of war Mayan
Ah Ciliz, God of solar eclipses Mayan
Ah Cun Can, God of war Mayan
Ah Hulneb, God of war Mayan
Ah Kin, God of the sun, who brings drought but protects man from the powers of evil associated with darkness Mayan
Ah Kin Xoc, God of poetry, a singer and musician Mayan
Ah Kinchil, God of war and the sun Mayan
Ah Kumix Unicob, Small attendant water gods Mayan
Ah Mun, God responsible for protecting the green maize Mayan
Ah Muzecab, Bee gods Mayan
Ah Patnar Uinicob, Large water gods Mayan
Ah Peku, Thunder god who lives on the tops of hills Mayan
Ah Puch, God of death Mayan
Ah Tabai, God of hunting Mayan
Ah Uaynih, Goddess of sleep, specifically males Guatemala
Ah Unicir Dz'acab, God of healing Mayan
Ah Uuc Ticab, Minor vegetation and fertility god Mayan
Ah Wink ir Masa, Nature goddess Guatemala
Aha, Female river spirit Yakut
Ahat, Cow goddess Egypt
Ahau Chamahez, One of two gods of medicine Mayan
Ahau Kin, Goddess of war Mayan
Ahemait, Underworld goddess who eats the souls of the unworthy Egypt
Aheramenmthoou, God of thunder, night, storms, wind, landslides and tidal waves Egypt
Ahladini-Sadini See Parvati
Ahmakiq, Agriculture god Mayan
Ahnt Alis Pok', Very small goddess, only 2 feet high Mexico
Ahnt kai, Goddess of women and children Mexico
Ahone, Supreme deity who was indifferent to worship Virginia
Ahriman, Supreme evil spirit and lord of the darkness and death Zoroastrian
Ahsonnutli, Chief god Navaho
Ahti, Goddess of evil Egypt
Ahuic, Goddess of all running water Aztec
Ahulane, God of war Mayan
Ahura Mazda, Supreme god Persia
Ahurani, Goddess of rain and water Persia
Ai Ada, God of the moon Turkey
Ai Apec Mochica, Supreme god who rules the destinies of the world Peru
Ai Tojon, God who created all light Yakut
Ai Tupua'i, Goddess of healing and of war Polynesia
Aiakos, God of the underworld Greek
Aialila'axa, Goddess of the moon Mexico
Aiaru, Goddess who predicts death Polynesia
Aibell, Goddess of Munster Ireland
Aibheaeg, Goddess of fire and toothaches Ireland
Aida Wedo, Goddess of the rainbow and fresh water Benin/Haiti
Aidin, Goddess of love and sexuality Celtic
Aido Wedo, Goddess of fire Haiti
Aife, Goddess and queen of the Isle of shadow Ireland/Scotland
Aige, Goddess of water and bays Ireland
Aijo, Goddess of evil Estonia
Ailsie, Goddess of water and pools Cherokee
Aimend, Goddess of the sun Ireland/Scotland
Ain, Goddess of war, fertility, love and Midsummer Lair Derg Ireland
Aine See Ain
Aine of Knockaine, Goddess of the moon who was connected with the Summer Solstice Ireland
Aino, Goddess of justice Finnish
Aiolos, Ruler of the winds Greek
Airmid, Goddess of all healing arts and witchcraft Ireland
Airsekui, Great spirit Huron
Airyaman, God of social bonds, contracts, and marriage who at the end of time will fish souls of the the temporarily damned called a Hell by using a net Persia
Aisha, Goddess of water Arabic
Aisha Qandisha, Goddess of sexual activity Morocco
Aittsamka Bella, Goddess of teaching Coola
Aitu, Lower order of the gods Samoa
Aitvaras, Brave and loving demon who will bring good fortune to your home when well fed and treated kindly Prussia
Aius Locutius, God supposed to have given warning of the approach of the Gauls 391 B.C. Roman
Aizen-Myoo, Deity who is full of compassion for mankind Buddhist
Aizen-Myoo, God of tavern keepers, musicians, singers, prostitutes and love Japan
Aja, Dawn goddess Babylon
Aja, Goddess of healing, herbs and of knowledge Yoruba
Ajalamo Yoruba, God of fetuses Africa(west)/Nigeria
Ajatar, Goddess of evil Finnish
Ajaya, Minor goddess Buddhist/Mahayana
Ajbit, God who helped create people [13 were involved] Mayan
Aje, Goddess of wealth in all its forms Yoruba
Aji Suki Taka Hi Kone, God of thunder Japan
Ajok, Chief god Louko
Ajtzak, God who helped create people Mayan
Ajysyt Yakut, Goddess of healing and birth Siberia
Aka, Mother goddess Turkey
Akasagarbha, Bodhisattva and the personification of supreme knowledge of the absolute void Buddhist/India
Akelos, God of rivers Greek
Aken, Underworld god and keeper of the underworld ferryboat Egypt
Aker, God of the earth who guards in the entrance to the underworld Egypt
Akerbeltz, Avatar of the god Mari Basque
Akert khentet auset, Book of the dead deity Egypt
Akeru, Pluralistic earth gods Egypt
Akewa, Sun and war goddess Toba
Akhushtal, Goddess of childbirth Mayan
Akkadia See Isara Mesopotamia
Akkadia See Sulman Mesopotamia
Akna See Acna
Akonadi, Oracle goddess of justice Ghana
Akongo, Supreme and creator god Ngombe
Akras Karelian See Egres
Aksayajnana-Karmanda, One of the 12 Dharnis and the deification of literature Buddhist
Aksobhya, Dhyani-Buddha Buddhist
Aktunowihio, Soul of the earth and a subterranean spirit. Cheyenne
Akuj Akuj, Chief deity Africa
Akusaa, Goddess of war and sunset Egypt
Akycha, Goddess of war Alaska
Akycha, God of the sun Inuit
Al Kahdir N. See Kahdir
Al Lat, Goddess of
fertility, procreation and the earth Arabic
Al Shua, Goddess of Ursa Major India
Al Uzza, Goddess of the dawn Arabic
Ala, Goddess of fertility, morality and of justice Nigeria
Ala Ibo, Goddess of the earth in its dual aspect of fertility and death Nigeria
Ala Muki, Goddess of rivers who takes the form of a dragon Polynesia
Alaaye See Olodumare
Alaghom Naom Tzentel, Goddess of thought and intellect Mayan
Alaisiagae, Minor goddess Roman/Celtic/British
Alako, Sent to the earth as a human to reveal the secret laws and a band of lore of the the gypsies, he stayed over in a the moon Norway/Gypsy
Alalahe, Goddess of love Polynesia
Alalu Ossetian, Spirit of smallpox and protects women Caucasus
Alalus, First heavenly King who lasted for 9 years Hurrian
Alastor, Mortal who became a minor spirit who avenged evil deeds and demanded vengeance for crimes Greek
Alat, Astral goddess Arabic
Alatangana Kono, One of the two creator deities, this god created land from swamp Africa(west)/Guinea
Alaunus, Local name for Mecurius from the Mannheim area Celtic
Alauwaimis, Demon who drives away evil and sickness Hittite
Albasta, Goddess of evil Slavic
Albina, Dawn goddess and protector of ill fated lovers Etruscan
Alcis, Goddess of physical prowess and strength Greek
Alecto, One of the goddesses of vengeance Greek
Alecto of Eumenides, Goddess of justice Greek
Alectrona, Goddess of sun (daughter of the sun, really) Greek
Alemona, Goddess of fetuses Roman
Alephus, Minor river god Greek
Alfhild, Goddess of wrestling norse
Alfs, Minor race of gods germanic
Alignak, God of the moon, storms, earthquakes and tides Inuit
Alii Menehune, Chief of the Little People Hawaii
Alisanos, God of stones Gaul
Alk'unta'm Bella, God of the sun Coola
Alkonost, Goddess of the land of the dead and justice Russia
Allah, God Middle east
Allatu[m], Underworld goddess Semitic(West)
Almaqah, Astral god Arabic
Almha, Goddess of the Tuatha De Danann Ireland
Almoshi, Goddess of healing and cattle Slavic
Aloadae, Giants, 54 ft.tall, who warred with the gods and lost Greek
Aloidae See Aloadae
Alom, Sky god who helped 6 other gods create the world Mayan
Alopurbi, Goddess of hunting India
Alpanu, Underworld goddess Etruscan
Alpheus, God of rivers who fell in love with a nymph and had a bad experience Greek
Alphito, White goddess Greek
Altan Telgey, Goddess of the earth Mongol
Altria, Ancient goddess of the earth Etruscan
Aluelp, No information Caroline Is.
Aluluei, God of knowledge Micronesia
Am-Heh, Underworld god and minor deity who lives in a lake of fire Egypt
Ama, Goddess of the dark and of the underworld Baikal/Siberia
Ama No Uzume, Goddess of persuasion Japan
Ama Terasu, Goddess of the sun, queen of the universe Japan
Ama-arhus, Goddess of fertility Babylon/Akkadia
Ama-Tsu-Mara, God of smiths Japan/Shinto
Amaethon, Agriculture god Celtic
Amagandar, Protective female spirits Siberia
Amakandu See Sakka[n]
Amalthea, Nymph of springs Greek
Amasagnul, Goddess of fertility Babylon/Akkadia
Amat-Ama-arhus See Ama-arhus
Amaterasu O-Mi-Kami, Goddess of war and the sun Japan/Shinto
Amaterasu Omikami See Amaterasu O-Mi-Kami
Amatsu Mikaboshi, God of evil Japan
Amaunet, Goddess of fertility Egypt
Amayicoyondi, Goddess of the sky Peru
Amba Dravidian, Goddess of the earth India
Amberella, Goddess of the ocean Baltic
Ambikas See Mataras
Ambisagrus, Weather deity British
Ame No Uzume, Goddess of fertility and happiness Japan
Ame-No-Kagase-Wo, Astral deity who had to be executed Japan/Shinto
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami, Goddess of water Japan/Shinto
Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami, Supreme god from about 600 CE till now Japan/Shinto
Ame-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto, Goddess of weavers Japan/Shinto
Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami, Primordial deity Japan/Shinto
Ame-Waka-Hiko, God who goofed and had to die Japan/Shinto
Amelenwa, Goddess of justice Africa
Amelia, Loa of Haiti Haiti/Vodun
Amen, Primordial creation deity Egypt
Amen See Ammon
Ament, Goddess who welcomes the dead to the afterworld Libya
Amesha, Gods without being gods and created without being creatures[6 in number] Spentas/Yazatas
Ami, God of fire Egypt
Amida, Primordial deity Buddhist/Japan
Amimitl, Minor god of fish hunters and lakes Aztec
Amitabha, Fourth Dhyanibuddha Buddhist/India
Amitolane, Rainbow spirit. Zuni
Amm, God of weather and the moon Arabic
Amma, Supreme god Dogon
Amma, Creator god with a novel story Dogon/Mali
Amma, Local god India/Dravidian/Tamil
Ammavaru, Primordial mother goddess Hindu/India/Dravidian
Ammit, Goddess who ate the hearts of unworthy souls Egypt
Ammon, God of air, wind, sun, reincarnation, war Egypt
Amn, Goddess of justice Egypt
Amogahasiddhi, Fifth meditation Buddha Buddhist
Amoghapasa, God Buddhist
Amon, God of agriculture, fertility and long life Egypt
Amor, God of love Roman
Amphion, God of music, could make building stones move by playing his lyre Greek
Amphitrite, Goddess of the sea Greek
Amponyinamoa, Goddess of long life Ghana
Amset See Imset
Amsu, God of fertility Egypt
Amun See Amon
Amun, Supreme creator god Egypt
Amunet, Goddess of mystery Egypt
Amurru, Minor mountain god Semitic(West)
Amymone, Goddess of springs Greek
An, God of the Underworld and chief deity Sumeria
An Zu, Goddess of chaos Assyria
Ana See Dana
Anael, Goddess of astral light Babylon
Anahita, Goddess of water and war Babylon/Egypt
Anahita, Goddess of fertility, semen and of water Persia
Anahita See Ardvi Sura Anahita
Anaitis, Goddess of fertility Persia
Anala, Attendant god Hindu/Puranic
Ananke, Omnipresent goddess of destiny Greek
Anann See Anu
Ananse, Creator of the sun, stars, day, moon and night who often intercedes between gods and mortals Ashanti
Ananta, Snake god; one of the seven snake deities Hindu/Puranic
Anantamukhi, One of the 12 Dharnis Buddhist
Anantesa, Minor deity and one of the eight Lords of of knowledge Hindu/Puranic
Anapel, Goddess who presides over birth and reincarnation Koryak
Anasuya, Goddess of wisdom Hindu
Anat, Warrior virgin, slayer of snakes, life and goddess of fertility Ugarit
Anat, Goddess of war, hunting and love Canaan
Anath See Anat
Anath, Goddess of love and war Phoenicia
Anatis, Goddess of the moon Egypt
Anatu, Goddess of the sky and ruler of the earth Mesopotamia
Anaulikutsai'x Bella, Goddess of rivers who oversees the salmon's cycle of life Coola
Anbay S., God of justice and an oracular source Arabic
Ancasta, Warrior Goddess British
Anceta, Goddess of healing Roman
Andarta, Goddess of fertility, most likely Celtic/Gaelic
Andjety, Underworld god of the ninth nome[district] Egypt
Andrasta Icene, Victory goddess British
Andriaahoabu, High Lady who descends to earth on a silver chain Madagascar
Andriam Vabi Rano, Goddess of water and lakes Africa
Androgyne, Man/woman deity Greek
Andromeda, Goddess of dreams Greek
Andvari, Dwarf who can turn himself into a fish norse
Anextiomarus, God linked with Apollo Roman/British
Angels, Messengers between the heaven and earth, with nine orders at present Christian/Jewish/Islam
Angerona, Goddess of anguish, secrecy, silence and the winter solstice Roman
Angina, Goddess of health, specifically of sore throats Roman
Angitia, Snake goddess Greek
Angitia, Early goddess of healing and witchcraft Roman
Angpetu Wi, God of the sun Lakota
Angru Mainya, Evil underworld god Persia
Angus, God of youth Celtic
Angus Mac Og, One of the Tuatha De Danaan Ireland
Angus Og, God of love Ireland
Anguta, God who lives under the sea and drags down the dead Inuit
Anhouri, Minor god Egypt
Anhur, God of war and hunting Egypt
Ani, Goddess of justice Africa
Anieros, Goddess of the earth Roman/Phrygian
Anila, One of the vasu; attendants to Vishnu Hindu/Puranic
Aningan, God of the moon, called Igaluk in Alaska Inuit
Anjea, Fertility spirit Australia
Ankalamman, Guardian goddess who wards off demons Hindu/Dravidian
Anna Kuari, Local vegetation goddess India/Oraon
Anna Perenna, Goddess of reproduction, wanton love, and of spring Etruscan
Annalia, Goddess of rivers Africa
Annallja Tu Bari, Goddess of sexuality Sudan
Annapatni, Goddess of food Hindu
Annapurna, Goddess of autumn India
Annis, Black goddess Celtic
Anpao, Spirit of the dawn. Dakota
Anqet, Goddess of water fertility healing and lust Libya
Ansa, Minor sun god Hindu/Puranic
Ansar, Primordial deity Babylon/Akkadia
Anshur, Not only the goddess of the sun, she also killed the dragon of chaos during creation Assyria
Antaboga, Underworld serpent deity ruling over the production of rice Indonesia
Antai, Goddess of healing and whooping cough India
Anteros, God of passion and returned love Greek/Etruscan
Antevorta, Goddess of childbirth, the future and prophecy Roman
Antheia, Goddess of spring Greek
Anti, Guardian deity of the eastern sky Egypt
Antu, Derived from the older Sumeria Ki Babylon/Akkadia
Anu, Mother goddess associated with fertility and the primordial mother Ireland
Anu, Head of the gods, he had an army of stars to destroy evildoers Babylon
Anuanaitu, Goddess of the ocean andwhirlpools Caribbean
Anubis, God of black magic, death, embalming and funerals Egypt
Anuket, Goddess of water and of rivers Egypt
Anukis, Birth goddess and of the cataracts of the lower Nile Egypt
Anulap, Sky god Truk Is.
Anumati, God of the full moon Sanskrit
Anunit, Goddess of the morning star Chaldea
Anunitu, Goddess of the moon Babylon
Anunnaki, Seven judges of the Underworld; they began as fertility deities Babylon
Anuradha, Minor goddess of fortune, she is benevolent though Hindu/Puranic
Anus See Anu
Anus, King of heaven who declared war on the father of the gods, he lost Hurrian
Anwho, Goddess of war who had a shrine at Thebes Syria
Anyigba, Goddess of hunting, luck and healing Togo
Anzety, God and King of Busiris Egypt
Aoife See Aife
Aondo Tiv, Creator god who lives in the sky Nigeria
Apa, Attendant god Hindu/Puranic
Apacita, Guardian spirit Inca
Apam Napat, God of fresh water Hindu/Persia/Vedic
Apap Teso, Creator god who as a benevolent sky god brings rain Uganda
Aparajita, Minor god/goddess Buddhist/Mahayana
Aparajita, Form of Durga Hindu/Puranic
Aparajita, God, a form of Rudra Hindu/Puranic
Aparajita See Aralo
Apate, Goddess of deceit Greek
Apaturia, Goddess of evil Greek
Apedmak, God of war Sudan
Apep, Huge serpent who caused storms and eclipses and ate the sun at evening Egypt
Apesh, Tortoise god of night, evil, and the powers of darkness Egypt
Apet, Goddess who protects pregnant women, children, nursing mothers and justice Egypt
Aphaea, Goddess of the moon? Greek
Aphrodisias, Goddess of fertility Turkey(Carian)
Aphrodite, Goddess of desire, fertility and sexual love and beauty Greek
Aphrodite Pandemos, Goddess of sex likely conflated with Aphrodite Greek
Apis, God of fertility Egypt
Apiu, Weather god Etruscan
Apkallu See Abgal
Apo, God of mountains Inca
Apollo, God of archery, harmony, order, inspiration, intellect, mathematics, medicine, oracles, prophecy, reason, and truth . A busy fellow. Greek
Apolonia, Goddess of healing and toothaches Brazil
Aponibolinayen, Goddess of the sky Philippines
Apophis, Demon of darkness Egypt
Apozanoltl, Running water goddess Aztec
Appias, Fountain nymph Roman
Apsaras, Protective deities of gamblers and Water spirits Hindu/Vedic
Apsu, God of underground waters Babylon
Apuat, Jackal-headed god who helps the soul choose its next incarnation Egypt
Aquilo, Fod of the west winds Roman
Aquit, Moon deity Americas
Arachne, Mother goddess of Weaving Roman
Arad-Ama-arhus See Ama-arhus
Aralo, Agriculture god Georgia/Armenia/Crimea
Aramazd, God Armenia
Aranyani, Minor goddess of woodlands Hindu/Vedic
Aranzahas, Tigris river deified Hittite
Arapacana, God Buddhist
Ararat, Creator goddess Anatolia
Araua, Goddess of the moon [maybe] Roman
Arawa Suk, Goddess of the moon Kenya/Uganda
Arawen See Arawn
Arawn, God of Annwn, ruled the underground Welsh
Arawyn See Arawn
Aray See Aralo
Arazu, God of construction Babylon
Archons, Primordial creator gods Christian/Gnostic
Ard Greimme, Once God of the sun Ireland/Scotland
Ardhanarit savara, Siva and Sakti combined Ammaiappan/Naranari
Ardra, Minor goddess of misfortune Hindu/Puranic
Arduinna, Goddess of forests and hunting Roman/Celtic
Ardvi Sura Anahita, Goddess of rivers and water Persia
Ardwinna, Goddess of woodland and animal British
Arebati, God Bambuti/Congo
Areimaios See Arimanius
Areimanios, Underworld god, not nice Greek
Ares, God of storms and war Greek
Arete, Goddess of justice and virtue Greek
Argante, Goddess of healing British
Arge, Goddess of hunting Greek
Ari Au Tchesf, Lion god Egypt
Ariadne, Goddess of dreams Greek
Arianrhod, Goddess of fertility and wanton love and mother aspect of the triple goddess Welsh
Arianrod, Goddess of the moon Ireland
Aricia, Goddess of prophetic visions Roman
Arimanius, Underworld god Roman
Arinna, Goddess of the sun Hittite
Aristaeus, Protector of flocks who originated the cultivation of olives Greek
Aristatos, God of herdsmen Greek
Arito, Goddess of bears, prosperity and the harvest Switzerland
Arito See Artio of Muti
Arjuna, Heroic god Hindu/Vedic
Arma, God of the moon Hittite/Hurrian
Armaz, Supreme god and a warrior deity pre Christian style Georgia
Arna'kuagsak See Nuli'rahak
Arnakua'gak, Old woman of the sea, an animalistic spirit Inuit
Arnamentia, Goddess of spring waters Celtic
Arnemetia, Goddess of water known from inscriptions Roman/British
Arom Kafir, Minor goddess contracts Afghanistan
Arrawn See Arawn
Arsan Duolai Yakut, Chief spirit of the underworld Siberia
Arsay, Underworld goddess, the third daughter of Baal Canaan
Arsu, Astral god Arabic
Artaius, God of sheep and cattle herders Gaul
Artemis, Goddess of agriculture, archery, hunting, chastity, virginity, fertility, childbirth,the moon, and of nature Greek
Arthapratisamvit, Goddess of logical analysis Buddhist
Artio of Muti See Arito
Artio of Muti, Goddess of bears, prosperity and the harvest Switzerland
Aruna, God of morning and warriors Hindu
Arundhati, Astral goddess personified as the morning star Hindu/Puranic
Aruru, Goddess Babylon
Arvenus, Local tribal deity Gaelic
Arya-Tara, Goddess Buddhist
Aryaman, God of formal hospitality Hindu/Vedic
Aryong Jong, Goddess of water and rainfall Korea
As, Local fertility god Egypt
As ava, Goddess of fresh water Russia
As-im-babbar See Nanna
Asa Poorna, Goddess of happiness India/Chohan
Asalluha, Minor god who acts as a messenger and reporter to Enki Babylon/Akkadia/Sumeria
Asar, Equestrian god Arabic
Asase Afua, Goddess Ghana
Asase Ya, Goddess of the earth, fertility and the creator of humanity Ashanti
Asbit, Goddess of fire Egypt
Ascelpius, God of healing, taught by Chiron the Centaur and could raise the dead Greek
Asertu, Goddess of fertility Hittite/Canaan
Asgaya Gigagei, God of thunder Cherokee
Ashera, Goddess of fertility Phoenicia
Asherah, Goddess of the sea Canaan
Asherali, Moon and goddess of fertility Canaan
Ashi, Goddess of wisdom India
Ashiakle, Goddess of wealth, and of the sea Ghana
Ashima, Goddess of the moon Semitic
Ashimbabbar, Goddess of the moon Semitic
Ashirat, Goddess of the Evening star Akkadia
Ashis, Goddess of happiness India
Ashkit, Goddess of wind Egypt
Ashnan, Goddess of drunkenness, wine and grains Sumeria
Ashtaroth, Moon and goddess of fertility Phoenicia
Ashtoreth See Astarte
Ashur See Anshur
Ashur, Chief deity of war and fertility Assyria
Ashvins, Sons of the sun Hindu
Asi, Goddess of wisdom Persia
Asiaq, Goddess of weather Inuit
Asima Si, Goddess of water and
fish Brazil
Asintmah Athabasca, Goddess of midwives Canada/USA
Asira, Minor god mentioned only by name Arabic
Asis Suk, God of the sun Kenya/Uganda
Askelpios, God of healing and physicians Greek
Asklepios See Aesculapius
Aslea, Minor goddess of misfortune Hindu
Asnan See Ashnan
Aso, Goddess of justice Egypt
Asokottamasri, Physician god Buddhist/Tibet
Asopos, Local river god Greek
Aspalis W., Goddess of hunting Semitic
Asrael, Angel of death, who takes the soul from the body. Islam
Asratum, Goddess of fertility Canaan
Asshur See Anshur
Assur, National deity of Assyria Babylon/Akkadia
Astabis, Warrior god Hurrian/Akkadia
Astamastara, Group of mother goddesses Hindu/Puranic
Astapaios, Prime parent ruling the seven heavens of chaos in gnostic mythology Christian/Gnostic
Astar, Astral god Ethiopia
Astaroth, Goddess of fertility who deals with sheepherders Semitic(West)
Astarte, Goddess of hunting Canaan
Astarte, Goddess of war Egypt
Astarte, Goddess of the moon Syria
Astarte, Goddess of fertility, sacred love, sexuality and of sex and the moon Babylon/Phoenicia/Canaan/Assyria/conference
Astarte See Athtart
Asterodeia, Goddess of the moon Roman
Asthertet, Goddess of horses, war and the moon Syria
Astlik Georgia, Pre ChristiAstral goddess Crimea
Astoreth, Goddess of fertility Palestine/Israel/Lebanon
Astraea, Goddess of justice, truth, of purity, innocence and modesty Roman/Greek
Astraeos, God of astronomy and star light Greek
Astrik, Goddess Slavic
Asuha-No-Kami, God of courtyards Japan/Shinto
Asuras, Sky gods who become demons Hindu/Vedic
Asurkumara, Youthful gods associated with rain and thunder Jain
Asvayujau, Minor goddess of fortune Hindu/Puranic
Asvins, Physician twin gods Hindu/Vedic
At Em, Goddess of time Egypt
Ataa Naa Nyongmo Gan, Creator god who controls the sun and the rain, call causes disasters as epidemics and and earthquakes if you don't follow his rules Ghana
Atabei, Goddess of the earth Cuba
Ataecina, Underworld goddess Roman/Iberia
Atahensic, Goddess of the sky who fell to the earth at the beginning of creation Iroquois
Atai, Goddess of justice Africa
Atalacamani, Goddess of ocean storms Aztec
Atanea, Goddess of the ocean and the dawn Greek
Atanea, Dawn goddess Marquesas Is.
Atar, God of all fire Iran
Atargatis, Goddess of lakes, fertility and nature Syria
Atasamain, Astral deity Arabic
Ate, Goddess of discord, evil, error, infatuation and justice Greek
Atea, God of light Marquesas Is.
Aten, God of the sun Egypt
Atete, Goddess taken over by the Christians as the Virgin Mary Ethiopia
Athena, Goddess of war, architecture, astronomy, science, of horses, intellect and wisdom, oxen, of purity, reason and spinning Greek
Athene See Athena
Athirat, Goddess of the ocean and official wife of El Canaan
Athor, Goddess of light Egypt
Athtart, Goddess of fertility and sex Canaan
Atida, Goddess of hunting and rain Uganda
Atira, Goddess of the earth and of the Evening star Pawnee
Atius Pawnee See Tirawa
Atl, God of water Aztec
Atlacoya, Goddess of drought Aztec
Atlahua, Minor god of lakes and fishermen Aztec
Atlaonin, One of the names of the mother goddess Aztec
Atlas, Titan who has to hold up the sky forever, he irritated Zeus Greek
Atma, The divine spark, whatever that is, in humans India
Atoja, Goddess of rain Peru
Atropos, Oldest of the Fates Greek
Attabeira See Atabei
Attabeira Atahensic, Goddess of the sky, who fell to earth Iroquois
Attar, God of the morning star Canaan/Semitic(West)
Attis, God of plants Roman
Atua Fafine Tikopia, Creator being Polynesia
Atua I Kafika Tikopia, Supreme god viewed as a intercessor rather than a Controller Polynesia
Atua I Raropuka Tikpoa, Creator deity Polynesia
Atugan, Goddess of earth and the source of all life whose power is beyond understanding but can be bestowed Mongol
Atum, Bisexual god of water Egypt
Atunis, God similar to Adonis Etruscan
Au, God of the sun and sky lord Gilbert Is.
Au Co, Creator of humanity Vietnam
Auchimalgen, Goddess of the moon Chile
Audjal, Goddess of the earth Caroline Is.
Aufaniae, Collective name for some mother goddesses Celtic
Augeus, God of healing Greek
Augralids, Goddesses of justice Greek
Auilix, God of dawn Mayan
Aura, Goddess of morning and of the wind Greek
Aurita, Goddess who heals earaches Roman
Aurora, Goddess of warriors and of the dawn Roman
Ausaitis, God of health Lithuania
Auseklis, Goddess linked to fertility, involved in the heavenly bathhouse Latvia
Auset, Goddess of Sirius Egypt
Austeja, Bee goddess Lithuania
Auster See Notus
Austrine, Goddess of the dawn Lithuania/Baltic
Autyeb, Goddess of happiness and joy Egypt
Auxesia, Goddess of growth Greek
Avalokitesvara, Buddha designate Buddhist/India
Avatar, Incarnation of a deity Hindu
Avatea, God of the moon Hervey Is.
averik Huichol See Tayau
Averruncus, Goddess of childbirth, specifically of the delivery Roman
Aversa, Goddess pictured carrying an ax Etruscan
Aveta, Goddess of healing waters Celtic
Avfruvva, Goddess of rivers Finnish
Avrikiti Fon, Goddess of fisherman Benin
Awitelin Tsita, Goddess of the earth Zuni
Awonawilona, Chief deity Pueblo/Zuni
Axiocersa, Goddess of the earth Phrygian
Axo Mama, Goddess of the potato crops Peru
Aya, Goddess of dawn and war Mesopotamia
Ayaba, Goddess of the hearth Dahomean
Ayas, Keeper of the old tablets with the words of fate Hittite
Ayauhteot, Goddess of the moon Chile
Ayauhteotl, Goddess of fog and mist Aztec
Ayi' Uru'n Toyoy'n Yakut See Uru'n Ajy Toyo'n
Ayida, Goddess of rainbows Haiti
Ayiyanayaka, God of fields and woodland who protects against plague Sri Lanka
Ayizan, Goddess who protects the market place Haiti
Aylekete, God of the sea and a member of the Vodun gods Fon
Ayt'ar, God of procreation Slavic
Ayurvasita, Minor goddess Buddhist
Ayyapan, God of growth Hindu
Azacca, Agriculture god Haiti
Azapane See Bele
Azele Yaba, Goddess of justice Africa
Azer Ava, Goddess of the sky Finnish/Ugric
Azer Ava, Goddess of justice Slavic
Azi, Red headed earth spirits who like human company, they appreciate eloquence, musical talent, tobacco, tea, and of all and reward models who please them. Those who irritate them forfeit their souls Buryat
Aziri, Goddess of possessions Africa
Azizos, Astral god representing the the morning star Palmyra…(to leave out the last 25 letters of the alphabet)…
What will you say to Axo Mama when you are being judged?
Quote Psalm 14:1 is written and I believe it. That will not stop me from being civil or mature. If I know that it is foolish to ride a motorbike on the back wheel instead of both wheels, that knowledge doesn't negate me not having a decent conversation with someone who rides a bike like that often.
It is a demonstration that you are unwilling to take seriously the non-believer’s point of view, which robs you of credibility. Not that you have earned any of that yet on this subject.Stuart
So by that note evolution must be wrong because you have Lamarck's theory and Darwins. Because there is a conflict here, I suggest you throw the theory in the bin.
Quite honestly Stu, if the fact that people have all these different names negates any possibly of there being a God, then you are just not intelligent enough to even be debating such.
In fact, what this actually does is provide something compelling, and that is that all cultures believe in a God of some type. I can ascertain two things from this:
1) That the knowledge of God and his law is embedded in all humans as they default to a God of some sort; and
2) that they do not know this God personally, resulting in confusion.Both these points are taught in scripture, so thanks for supporting that view.
I would also like to add that where there is smoke, there is fire and often it is hard to see the fire by reason of the smoke.
Now back to your theory. I look forward to your public announcement of your refutation of the Theory of Evolution based on the grounds that there are competing theories and for this reason, you have decided to trash this theory all together just as you have trashed the possibility of a creator based on competing theories of who that God is.
Once again, thanks for the support of scripture Stu.
t8
Quote So by that note evolution must be wrong because you have Lamarck's theory and Darwins. Because there is a conflict here, I suggest you throw the theory in the bin.
Although Darwin had time for some aspects of Lamarck’s ideas, Larmarckism was falsifiable, and was falsified. Evidence killed it. What criteria can distinguish which of these gods are real and which aren’t?Quote Quite honestly Stu, if the fact that people have all these different names negates any possibly of there being a God, then you are just not intelligent enough to even be debating such.
They are people? I thought they were the names for gods. Is that a criterion? We ask t8 if they are people or not, and what he says goes, in his complete knowledge.Quote In fact, what this actually does is provide something compelling, and that is that all cultures believe in a God of some type. I can ascertain two things from this:
1) That the knowledge of God and his law is embedded in all humans as they default to a God of some sort; and
2) that they do not know this God personally, resulting in confusion.
So will you be getting up to speed on all these other gods, just in case it is you that is confused?
Both these points are taught in scripture, so thanks for supporting that view.
But scripture is self-immune to the idea that options 1 and 2 are not the only ones. Ancient anecdote has not been a brilliant tool for modeling reality in the past, but you seem to be claiming it is.Quote I would also like to add that where there is smoke, there is fire and often it is hard to see the fire by reason of the smoke.
The ‘smoke’ suggests no gods, though.Quote Now back to your theory. I look forward to your public announcement of your refutation of the Theory of Evolution based on the grounds that there are competing theories and for this reason, you have decided to trash this theory all together just as you have trashed the possibility of a creator based on competing theories of who that God is.
See above, there are no competing theories for biological speciation that have survived the objective criterion of evidence. There is only one scientific theory that explains why humans are on earth. Rather than this grandiose statement, how about you actually be honest for a minute and supply us with a Theory of Divine Creation with which to compare evolution by natural selection? Then there would be something to discuss.Quote Once again, thanks for the support of scripture Stu.
John 16:23 tells us that god will tell you how baryons were separated from antibaryons in the early universe. Have you not been asking in his name?Stuart
Stu the smoke comes from something and it is usually fire.
Anyway, did it not occur to you Stu that evidence has nullified most of these so-called gods, in the same way as Lamarck?
I mean many of these gods have little or no followers for a start and has no track record or evidence to suggest that they are the creator of the cosmos as they cannot predict or change anything and many seem obvious myths. But there is one God that is more recognised by people and followers than all others put together. I know for me that experiential evidence has given me the proof that YHWH (the God of the Old & New Testaments and the God of the Jews) is the true God. Also because many prophets have come in his name and prophesied events that no one could have guessed at. No other God has this track record of sending prophets that have done what YHWH's prophets have accomplished. Then we have the ten commandments given to man which are far more in line with the creator of all than sacrificing your children on the altar of Baal for pleasure, or sacrificing your own conscience in the name of atheism.
Suffice to say, as Lamarck has a lack of evidence so do many of these gods you speak of. So there is no difference. Both a creator and no creator have streams of people in different camps except that most people in the world believe in God and so there will be many many more ideas and differences than you will get with people who do not believe in God. Percentage wise however, I doubt that there would be much difference in divisions. Science is constantly spawning new ideas and disproving old ones that were once taught as fact. And understanding that, it is just a matter of time before that which you believe is replaced with a more supposed viable theory. At least with God, there are things that don't change, such as he is the creator, he made us in his image, and he wants to redeem us back to him.
Anyway Stu, welcome to Babylon, the supermarket of religion. Seems you have purchased the dead god who is suppose to be the cause of all things including life, even though we know that only life can produce life. I personally think you are being ripped off as you spend your time defending this dead god and you get nothing in return. You might make more progress by kicking a dead horse, as at least it has a greater chance of living and making intelligent choices.
It seems the whole world is drunk on the religion of Babylon and I think your religion is a rip off. I was a follower of that dead god once, but I saw the light. As it is written, the truth shall set you free. I happen to value the truth Stu.
t8
Quote Stu the smoke comes from something and it is usually fire.
The ‘smoke’ only indicates entirely natural, unguided processes at work.Quote Anyway, did it not occur to you Stu that evidence has nullified most of these so-called gods, in the same way as Lamarck?
If I suggested that was true then you would argue against it. If we had to choose a creator from the list, the evidence would be more for other gods on the list than the Judeo-christian one.Quote I mean many of these gods have little or no followers for a start and has no track record or evidence to suggest that they are the creator of the cosmos as they cannot predict or change anything and many seem obvious myths.
Yup. That overwhelmingly describes your god.Quote But there is one God that is more recognised by people and followers than all others put together. I know for me that experiential evidence has given me the proof that YHWH (the God of the Old & New Testaments and the God of the Jews) is the true God.
Does your nose grow when you make absurd statements like that? If I tried that on you, you would need the nth degree of evidence and a cast-iron chain of proof, but here you are spouting fatuous anecdote as ‘proof’. You are using the christian dictionary, with the definitions that mock the English language.Quote Also because many prophets have come in his name and prophesied events that no one could have guessed at. No other God has this track record of sending prophets that have done what YHWH's prophets have accomplished.
Your bible’s prophecies are more trivial in nature than a psychic’s cold reading of credulous people.Quote Then we have the ten commandments given to man which are far more in line with the creator of all than sacrificing your children on the altar of Baal for pleasure,
Your god allegedly asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, and he allowed ‘his’ own son (or himself, depending on which tortuous dogma you peddle) to be a human sacrifice.Quote or sacrificing your own conscience in the name of atheism.
Do I detect a little excess saliva there t8?Quote Suffice to say, as Lamarck has a lack of evidence so do many of these gods you speak of.
What do you mean MANY? NONE of them are supported by ANY evidence!Quote Science is constantly spawning new ideas and disproving old ones that were once taught as fact. And understanding that, it is just a matter of time before that which you believe is replaced with a more supposed viable theory.
Since the beginning of modern science, theories of the atomic nature of matter and evolution by natural selection have not changed, they have only been refined based on a correct basic premise. While physics has been turned on its head in some senses, Newton is still right enough for all practical usage. So your cheap smear of the science that works, and continues to work is hypocritical. The bible was always wrong, and still is because it has no correction mechanism, as you well know.Quote At least with God, there are things that don't change, such as he is the creator, he made us in his image, and he wants to redeem us back to him.
And he flooded the whole earth (not) and he sent 600,000 into exile in the desert (not). How wrong the bible is has not changed.Quote Anyway Stu, welcome to Babylon, the supermarket of religion. Seems you have purchased the dead god who is suppose to be the cause of all things including life, even though we know that only life can produce life. I personally think you are being ripped off as you spend your time defending this dead god and you get nothing in return. You might make more progress by kicking a dead horse, as at least it has a greater chance of living and making intelligent choices.
Snakes talk, pi=3 and the Kingdom of Tonga can be seen from a high mountain in the Middle East. The bible is literally untrue and even if it was all allegorical it is still unfit for human consumption.Quote It seems the whole world is drunk on the religion of Babylon and I think your religion is a rip off. I was a follower of that dead god once, but I saw the light. As it is written, the truth shall set you free. I happen to value the truth Stu.
The truth shall certainly set you free. The fundamentalist christian has chained himself to the railings in protest at the rest of the world getting better at modeling the truth.Stuart
Once again you prove your ignorance for all to see.
Stu says that he doesn't know if everything was created by:
a) a creator
b) nothing
c) a non-living creatorAnd yet he still rants and raves about a) being ludicrous.
So he is left with the last 2 silly options.
No matter how much you rant Stu, nothing can gloss over this great blunder.
You are left with nothing creating everything or a creator that is non-living creating everything including life, and lets face it, that is plenty for anyone to make a meal out of. Death or nothing giving birth to life. Yeah right. Where is your sixth sense?
What more can we say. You try and make meal out of the idea of God being preposterous, and yet it is us who should be giving you the hard time for saying that it was either nothing, or something non-living that created life and everything.
I guess we must be nicer than you?
t8
Quote Once again you prove your ignorance for all to see.
I am not ashamed of ignorance, but I do not celebrate it like fundamentalist christians do.Quote Stu says that he doesn't know if everything was created by:
a) a creator
b) nothing
c) a non-living creator
And yet he still rants and raves about a) being ludicrous.
So he is left with the last 2 silly options.
No matter how much you rant Stu, nothing can gloss over this great blunder.
I don’t believe in any of these options. I have already explained this to you on at least two occasions. You are ready to judge me against strawmen of what I believe. What does that say about you, t8?Quote You are left with nothing creating everything or a creator that is non-living creating everything including life, and lets face it, that is plenty for anyone to make a meal out of. Death or nothing giving birth to life. Yeah right. Where is your sixth sense?
I have five senses; I do not have the imaginary fantasy sense of the religious. The one that can understand parcel tongue.Quote What more can we say.
How about “The fundamentalist christian has no explanation at all for the existence of the universe”?Quote You try and make meal out of the idea of God being preposterous,
Even if there were such a thing, it would still be preposterous. At least that is what Paul told his fellow deludees.Quote and yet it is us who should be giving you the hard time for saying that it was either nothing, or something non-living that created life and everything.
I think you should at least give me a hard time for something I actually believe is true. Unlike christianity, which is a movable feast of a belief system, I do actually have a falsifiable model of the origin of the universe in my head, but I don’t think it is looking very practical to expect you to get it into you head.Quote I guess we must be nicer than you?
We are all nicer than the contents of your scripture.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 16 2009,23:59) I don’t believe in any of these options. I have already explained this to you on at least two occasions. You are ready to judge me against strawmen of what I believe. What does that say about you, t8?
OK. Thanks for being forthcoming, I must have missed your previous revealing of this.So Stu, you don't believe in the cause of all things being:
a) God (Living creator)
b) Previous something (Dead)
c) Nothing (Dead)So what is the fourth option?
You have got me interested.
Quote (t8 @ April 18 2009,00:29) Quote (Stu @ April 16 2009,23:59) I don’t believe in any of these options. I have already explained this to you on at least two occasions. You are ready to judge me against strawmen of what I believe. What does that say about you, t8?
OK. Thanks for being forthcoming, I must have missed your previous revealing of this.So Stu, you don't believe in the cause of all things being:
a) God (Living creator)
b) Previous something (Dead)
c) Nothing (Dead)So what is the fourth option?
You have got me interested.
The simple confounds the wise.Stu says that it is foolish to believe that Jesus rose from the dead , yet he believes that everything including life came from nothing and death.
Quote (t8 @ April 18 2009,00:29) Quote (Stu @ April 16 2009,23:59) I don’t believe in any of these options. I have already explained this to you on at least two occasions. You are ready to judge me against strawmen of what I believe. What does that say about you, t8?
OK. Thanks for being forthcoming, I must have missed your previous revealing of this.So Stu, you don't believe in the cause of all things being:
a) God (Living creator)
b) Previous something (Dead)
c) Nothing (Dead)So what is the fourth option?
You have got me interested.
As I have explained already, I think the problem is with the word 'cause'. It has no meaning at the beginning of the universe. But thank you for asking me what I actually think.Read Hawking for more details, for example as in Black Holes and Baby Universes and Other Essays.
Stuart
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 18 2009,06:19) The simple confounds the wise. Stu says that it is foolish to believe that Jesus rose from the dead , yet he believes that everything including life came from nothing and death.
Good one WJ.Either way someone or something rose from the dead.
Stu lets not beat around the bush.
What is the fourth option?
I will list the first 3 again but this time without using the word “cause” so you have nothing to hide behind.
Where did everything originate:
a) God
b) Nothing
c) Something (dead)In this context, please add the fourth option.
We all wait with bated breath…..
Quote (t8 @ April 18 2009,08:57) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 18 2009,06:19) The simple confounds the wise. Stu says that it is foolish to believe that Jesus rose from the dead , yet he believes that everything including life came from nothing and death.
Good one WJ.Either way someone or something rose from the dead.
Hi t8Thanks.
I think it takes “more faith” to be an atheist or an agnostic!
WJ
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