"Not one of his bones will be broken"

[bodhitharta]

Nick

You have went through the door and you have been reconciled to the Father. In what way is worshiping God Almighty a deception. What judgement are you judging me with?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,

Unless you listen to and obey the one you accuse of lying you cannot approach the throne of grace

except in your imagination.

No one comes to the Father except through me.

[bodhitharta]

What does “through me” mean? and are you saying no one came to God before Jesus was here?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,

The arrival of the Son of God signalled the new covenant.

Now access to God is only through the Son.

[bodhitharta]

Proverbs 3:6
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Is this verse right or wrong?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,.

You need to repent and be baptised into the Son [gal3] and he will be born into you [gal4]

Otherwise the wrath of God remains on you.

[bodhitharta]

The arrival of the Son of God signalled the new covenant.

Now access to God is only through the Son.

First of all, All Muslims believe in Jesus.

So you say that the arrival of Jesus was meant to condemn others, is this why he was sent?

He doesn’t say the kinds of things you say he says:

John 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Through him has to do with what he was sent here to do:

John 17:4
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,

You quote what is written to the children of God.

You need to become one before it applies to you.

[bodhitharta]

So the Bible should not be read until the person has been converted? Doesn’t faith come by hearing/reading the Gospel first?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,

Faith comes by hearing.

But there always those who reject the message of hope.

[kerwin]

Bodhitharta,

Most teachings do not teach that God gives people the power to stop sinning. The gospel does. Jesus made the promise as least twice during his mortal life. One is Matthew 5:6 and the other is John 8:35. Of the two Matthew 5:6 is more literal worded. Even when it is literal people cannot seem to believe it. Most claim a human being cannot stop sinning. Very few of those that claim they are Christian and then most of them error in other ways that prevent them from receiving that promise. I have not seen where the Islam teaches that promise of God.

[kerwin]

Bodhitharta,

Nothing is wrong with that saying except that those that say it also require the Spirit of God as a teacher.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,

The arrival of Jesus Christ causes men to make a stark choice.

You either buy the whole package or you reject him.

You say you believe in Jesus but you tell us he is a liar.

 

Which is it?

 

 

[bodhitharta]

Hi Kerwin

Most teachings do not teach that God gives people the power to stop sinning. The gospel does. Jesus made the promise as least twice during his mortal life. One is Matthew 5:6 and the other is John 8:35. Of the two Matthew 5:6 is more literal worded. Even when it is literal people cannot seem to believe it. Most claim a human being cannot stop sinning. Very few of those that claim they are Christian and then most of them error in other ways that prevent them from receiving that promise. I have not seen where the Islam teaches that promise of God.

Man has always had that option since the beginning:

Genesis 4:7
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

It is the entire basis of Islam:

Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the christians and the sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,

So no sin accrues to your prophets followers?

 

No access to forgiveness is available.

But all have sinned

[bodhitharta]

Access to forgiveness has always been available Nick you just don’t read your Bible

Exodus 34:5-7King James Version (KJV)

5 And the Lord descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord.

6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

This is 100% ISLAM ALLAH has always forgived iniquity and trangression to those who repent. Do you think Jesus clears the guilt of a nonrepentant sinner? Of course not. If a person turn away from their sin they shall live according to the scriptures. You think God is a God of Sacrifice but He is:

Most Gracious, Most merciful;

( سورة الفاتحة , Al-Fatiha, Chapter #1, Verse #3)

Merciful as an attribute of God occurs 118 times in the Quran and 35 times in the Bible
Sacrifice is listed 23 times in the Quran but the Bible has it listed 310 times

God prefers Mercy to Sacrifice you need to rediscover God as The Most Merciful, Most Gracious

recognize when doing wrong and repent:

But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, most Merciful.

( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #192)

Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, most Forbearing.

( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #225)

Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #256)

[kerwin]

Bodhitharta,

I place less importance on the forgiveness and the salvation that many do as they are the actions of God and not man. They have their imports but they are results of living righteously. It is the living righteously that concerns me. In the OT man was given the law but not the Spirit of God. The law served to teach mankind what sin was but it did not give them power to win the battle against sin. It is not until Jesus sealed the new covenant with his blood that the Spirit was received by any but Jesus. Those that have the Spirit have the option to live by it an so come to stop committing sin by the same power of God that raised Jesus from the dead and created all that has been made. That is God’s power and not man but God has appointed Jesus to choose those that will access to that power through faith in Jesus Christ. Never the less you Jesus the Anointed without having faith in God and you cannot have faith in God without have faith in Jesus because God has chosen Jesus as the human that mediates between him and humankind.

Does the Koran teach this?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,

Repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of your sins..

Your religious writings are only the opinions of men .

They carry no spiritual weight except in your mind

[bodhitharta]

Hi Kerwin

I place less importance on the forgiveness and the salvation that many do as they are the actions of God and not man. They have their imports but they are results of living righteously. It is the living righteously that concerns me. In the OT man was given the law but not the Spirit of God. The law served to teach mankind what sin was but it did not give them power to win the battle against sin. It is not until Jesus sealed the new covenant with his blood that the Spirit was received by any but Jesus. Those that have the Spirit have the option to live by it an so come to stop committing sin by the same power of God that raised Jesus from the dead and created all that has been made. That is God’s power and not man but God has appointed Jesus to choose those that will access to that power through faith in Jesus Christ. Never the less you Jesus the Anointed without having faith in God and you cannot have faith in God without have faith in Jesus because God has chosen Jesus as the human that mediates between him and humankind.

Does the Koran teach this?

today people make up their own sins and condemn themselves, there are many christian churches that tell people it is a sin to dance, play music, drink alcohol,girls wearing pants, smoke cigarettes, masturbate…etc. The thing is some of these things may be not good ideas but they are not sins you are not to make a sin what God did not make a sin.

I remember this lady telling me she was so worried and was plagued day and night about going to hell so finally I asked her what she was doing that was so wrong she said she smoked a lot of cigarettes I laughed and told her yes that is unhealthy but there is no sin against it that you should be sent to hell. The entire religion is about conduct…love your neighbors and even your enemies be prepared to forgive others, help those in need those are righteous actions and when you have commited an actual sin like robbery, rape, murder that’s a different story for this you will have to repent if possible make amends and change from doing those things. and yes in the times before Jesus man was given the spirit of God man has always access to the spirit of God. Why do you think you are living unrighteously, I mean you may be I don’t know you but many people don’t know what righteous living even looks like, there are people who even think eating meat is a sin but that is not biblical so satan has a way of making people feel guilty even when they are not guilty. It would be best first to actually study the Bible or Quran and really examine what is righteous and what is not. Many were called Righteous in the Bible and their conduct was not always perfect:

Psalm 34:19
The righteous person may have many troubles, but the Lord delivers him from them all;

Noah was called righteous and the first thing he did when he got off the ark was get drunk

Luke 2:25
Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was on him.26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Messiah.

Jesus didn’t give him the Holy Spirit it was already on him and Jesus was just being born.

The Spirit of God has always been available Kerwin you just have to remove the veil realize how IMMENSE God is and get that small image of God out your head, God didn’t start mercy and compassion at the birth of Jesus, Jesus was just yet another gift from an unfathomable God

[bodhitharta]

Repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of your sins..

Your religious writings are only the opinions of men .

They carry no spiritual weight except in your mind

Before John baptized where do you see it in the Bible? This is an example of God given other methods for you to understand and repent, the water does nothing it is the action of starting over and leaving the old you behind…if you get baptized and get up from the water with the same evil heart unwilling to change then what? John said Jesus will baptize with Fire so that is yet another way…God has provided all men all sorts of ways to return to him. Paul wasn’t the only one to preach to the gentiles who do you think Jonah was sent to? That’s why when I tell you that Jesus was sent only to the house of Israel you go blank and it’s because you don’t take the time to work it out. God has been continually sending us help, messengers, prophets, saviours…ALWAYS.

Nehemiah 9:27
Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven;

and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours

, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.

Obadiah 1:21
And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord’s.

I’m sorry you want to reserve that word for one person but YOU HAVE TO READ YOUR BIBLE.

You don’t even have a concept of Covenant you have been taught there are 2 covenants the old and the new but there were covenants made all the time, Christians say Old testament/New testament well to the Jew there is no such thing as a New Testament that is a covenant with those who call themselves Christians

Genesis 9:9
And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

Genesis 15:18
In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Genesis 17:10
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

Exodus 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Covenants happen all the time with God and people from a single person to entire nations to the entire world. READ THE BIBLE because just making statements that sound right is not right judgement.

When the Bible talks about who is going to hell, where does it mention nationalities or religion…The bible doesn’t say Samaritans are going to hell, does it? In fact the Samaritan was the only one who helped the person in the story Jesus told….READ YOUR BIBLE

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