Not all things yet under Christ.

[Devolution]

Hebrews 2:7> Thou madest Him a little lower than the angels, Thou crownedst Him with glory and honor, and did set Him over the works of Thy hands.

Here we see Christ has been given all authority by his Father. But not all is as it seems. When God speaks, we need to recognize that He isn't always talking about immediate conditions..what He often does is generalize. For what God is speaking of here is not only the “beginning” of Jesus (flesh), but also of His Resurrection & His 1st step of glorification which took place in heaven. The completion of His (Jesus) glorification will take place on earth during the millennium climaxing to the handover of His clean & orderly kingdom back to His Father. And whenever we read our Lords Word, as we continue through the verses, we always find extra insight to His generalizations. Sometimes obscured, sometimes obvious. Sometimes in the same chapter, sometimes in another book within scripture. And this is true, what we find for the above scripture also…when we read on.

For in Gods eyes, since He knows the end of all things, it is to Him as though all things have already happened, for He knows the end result, so therefore, He CAN generalize…and does. So we can not take single statements, or even clusters of verses and form doctrines without first seeking ALL related scriptures on any and all declarations/subjects. And this is also true for the above scripture that when taken as is, it is from here conflicting doctrines can form…like the doctrine that says Christ is ruling all things even now…which can create doctrines like the millennium is already underway…which of course is error…and conflicts with what we are soon to read…and the above scripture HAS been abused in this manner of which i have witnessed myself, abusing that verse 7 whilst ignoring the following verses…mind boggling to say the least, yet, we read on nevertheless…

Hebrews 2:8> Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. For in that He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put under Him….

Again, sounds certain that Christ is indeed reigning over all things even now, especially: He left nothing that is not put under Him !!! Sounds very definite doesn't it !! This also i have witnessed used to back amillennial doctrines, BUT….but look now at how that verse 8 ends…of which the sneaky doctrine makers totally ignored, or glossed over with foolish words…

v8> But now we see not yet all things put under Him !!!!!!!

Now this Hebrews, as we all know, was written after Christ ascended to His Father. And here we have another proof that indeed, not yet all things are under His control. So we see from the opening of this subject, God generalized, for it was said that all things were put under Christ, giving the impression Christ certainly does right now this moment rule all things…but as we continued on, we found that not all was as it seemed. So since not all things are yet put under Him, then there are by necessity, from that declared truth, things that are even now free of His rule, that is, not under Christ. Now we do find in Hebrews, amongst others, the reason why not yet all things are put under Christ. But it is not openly declared, but instead, it is left to be found by diligent seeking in sincerity.

However, we Christians understand through scripture that all things heavenly are indeed put under Christ, if but for an appointed span, as so many scriptures attest, and not only that, but all earthly followers of His are also under Him. Just not yet all other things are under Him. So since that is true, that all things SPIRITUAL are under Him, besides the fallen angels, well then, what is left that is not under Him? Well, it is obvious now is it not? That only one other state/condition, that must, and can only be, the one and only thing left, the one thing that is not yet put under Him…is…the physical plane. Which can only mean, that His kingdom is not yet manifested. For when it is…THEN…then all things will indeed be under Him.

And if we look to the world, and the spirit in the peoples of the world, we see the majority of humans are definitely not under Christ…but instead, they are under something else…and besides, men rule the nations free of Godly conscience…And since we also know that God has revealed that this world has a god who rules a kingdom…it can then ONLY be this worldly kingdom that is not yet under Christ..this kingdom of man under Satan. What else is left that it can be that is not yet put under Christ? Logic screams the obvious does it not? Again, this rules out any possibility that the millennium has already commenced, or that Christs kingdom has started. Emphatically so. Otherwise, it would suggest that Satan & Jesus are ruling side by side…blasphemous.

Now, we need consider something extremely important, And that is this, When Satan contradicted Gods command to Adam & Eve, what he was actually doing, was saying that there was another way to live. A different lifestyle Adam & Eve could choose. And since God allowed this to happen, for God knows the end at the beginning, for all things consist by His will, and for his will, and all things unfold as He foreknew, what God was allowing, was for evil to be born so He could expose it, and eventually destroy it once its purpose is fulfilled. This is uncomfortable for many.

And since He is letting man seek out all manner of lifestyles and choices without Him in the mix, even the fallen angels too, this serves a very important purpose that cannot be underestimated. And that is this, since man has pursued all forms of political and religious based lifestyles, no man, nor even angel, can ever accuse God of being a dictator nor question His unquestionable rule henceforth into eternity. For in all of mans self serving pursuits, having tried all manner of lifestyles and systems, it has been proved beyond doubt, that all systems without Gods guidance, have failed. So once all is eventually completed, never again for all eternity will Gods rule be questioned ever again. Here is one reason for all manner of cultures and the like…it is as a witness to an indisputable truth, that Gods way is indeed the only way…and His Word the only Word to heed. And that He rules and guides us out of His love for us…nothing more, nothing less.

And this leads to why God generalizes when He speaks. For God also knew that many would use His Name as though they were His people for various pernicious reasons. And from here, many of these types would abuse his Word for self gain and notoriety in all manner of aspects. This is why God generalizes, He is catching these sorts out. He is sifting His people by allowing these types to gain prominent positions of leaderships and respect from men, and from these positions highly regarded by those beneath, doctrines are formed through academic postulations in pride and self confidence through their own wisdom and envies and competitive pride for eminence within their competing “fields”. And within their/these doctrines, mistakes abound. For Gods wisdom is not “learned” by diligent study through ones own wisdom alone, but is, instead, granted wisdom/knowledge for diligently “living” that way, as Christ showed us.

And these doctrinal mistakes are MEANT and DESIGNED to be there, allowed and ordained by God Himself. And all believers under these various doctrines, are having levels of sincerity exposed and confirmed to God as to what manner of disciple they are (shepherds excluded, these are in severe trouble) . And what becomes evident to God in this exposure, is just how diligently His people are seeking Him, which reveals the depth of ones love for Him, which determines which doctrine each disciple will be bound by. And each doctrine shares one common factor…that is, all doctrines have a measure of truth, some more, some less, and the other common factor these share is one immutable truth, that is, the
y all lack the complete truth.

And within the peoples continued support for these various doctrines, two things are revealed, 1, how truthful ones personal seeking is within the follower, which determines how long one stays captive to these institutions, until ready to bear/hear the truth, which will inevitably/eventually lead that type away from erroneous doctrines/religions, meaning God is using these institutions as stepping stones for certain disciples, for people learn and grow after all, and to grow means to eventually become more aware to doctrines, so God is giving certain peoples within these institutions a chance…And the 2nd group, the half seekers, that is, those letting others seek for them (priests/scholars etc)….which ultimately keeps one captive to the various conflicting doctrines, usually for life, these too are exposed..if but for a negative outcome, becoming a proverb in the end.

Yet there is still hope for this 1st group in the end. It is just that they will suffer loss in the resurrection as certain scripture alludes to. But God still loves these followers, these are still brethren IF they can gather the courage to leave these comfortable institutions/communities/churches. And He has promised to save these followers from the various shepherds soon, when the false prophet emerges, and let them see their churches for what they are…prisons of doctrines of men, and He, in opening their eyes, will afford them a choice…”death” by rejecting the mark, which will lead to life eternal, or “life”, by taking the mark, which will just lead to death…And IF they are willing to take that leap and leave those institutions, preferably before the false prophet emerges, then God WILL give them a little help.. So be mindful, our station/position to come, is being determined NOW by our choices.

And here is why the Christian world is so divided and contradictory to each other…unworthy types have “crept” in as teachers, not unknown by God, but unknown by men, hence: crept in. And these types are everywhere in mainstream religion, these shepherds, not all, but most…MOST…say, 98%. And it is allowed and designed by God. And this will also decide just how accurate ones understanding of Gods written Word will be also. For the more sincere, the greater the measure of Spirit is given. And it is ONLY that Spirit which reveals truth in the written Word clearly. The more Spirit, the less error..the less Spirit…the more error abounds…and if left in this erroneous state too long…especially IF a haughty spirit is indwelling, these types, we find, that these eventually, whatever truth they may have…even that truth will be taken away.

And no matter how much these last types may be shown truth…they will never be able to see it. NEVER. They will only see what they think they see. And stranger and stranger doctrines will dominate their hearts and minds…as a witness…as a proverb, And God will determine their end.

So in conclusion, we see that not all things are yet under Christ..but when they are finally subject to Him entirely…THEN and only then will the complete truth cover the earth. And this will be during the 1000 year reign on earth. And then after this, Jesus Himself will hand His kingdom back to His Father, and, He Himself, He also shall become subject to Him who sent Him. And THEN all of us can be one. I look forward to that day. Amen.

[seekingtruth]

Devolution,
For the most part, say… 98% I agree. Good post

Wm

[Devolution]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 26 2012,23:51)

Devolution, For the most part, say… 98% I agree. Good post Wm

Thank you Seeking….98% is good…

God bless bro.

[terraricca]

dev

this is very good and true ,and said into a nut shell so to speak.

but the following is not as per scriptures;

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So in conclusion, we see that not all things are yet under Christ..but when they are finally subject to Him entirely…THEN and only then will the complete truth cover the earth. And this will be during the 1000 year reign on earth. And then after this, Jesus Himself will hand His kingdom back to His Father, and, He Himself, He also shall become subject to Him who sent Him. And THEN all of us can be one. I look forward to that day. Amen.

Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Satan’s Doom

Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
Rev 20:9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

but I have enjoyed reading you comment ;

Pierre

[Wakeup]

Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 26 2012,23:58)

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 26 2012,23:51) Devolution, For the most part, say… 98% I agree. Good post Wm Thank you Seeking….98% is good… God bless bro.

Hi Devo.

Good post Devo:

The big one (delusion) is coming and is being prepared now.
Believing that this man of satan(the falsee prophet.) will be seen as Jusus and God in the one person.
And the mark is Gods mark, it will be preached in the churches to take the mark,which many will love to hear,to give them comfort.For they that preach will not give up their riches.

greetings.

wakeup.
This is so sad.

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