Non believers

[Stu]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,08:29)

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,16:14) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,08:06) Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,15:57) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,03:37) Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,05:29) WJ Why did you ask for evidence concerning the multiple authorship of the torah? It appears from you answer to WIT that only you can give proof for your own beliefs but when others show you their evidence your faith just trumps everthing. Are you seven years old? Stuart Hi STU BTW, Faith always trumps unbelief! WJ But that was not the point I made. You are claiming that your faith trumps real physical evidence.  If you apply that without discrimination then you get suicide bombings and murders of medical staff. Stuart Hi STU The funny thing is one has to still believe the evidence. You have not presented any evidence that the Torah was not written by Moses, but only what you believe is physical evidence! WJ It is not possible to prove a negative.  It is not me claiming the torah was written by Moses, it is you making that claim so you have the burden of proof of that positive statement.  The textual evidence is against there being just one author, but you make your assertion anyway, without evidence.  Anyway, what do you care about evidence?  Whatever I say, your faith 'wins' doesn't it?  You have the perfect answer to every question, that of the seven year old. Stuart Hi STU How Ironic that you “believe” everything you are saying! So continue on with your insults! LOL, and you are still claiming that I am the child? WJ!

Do you not know the definition of 'belief'?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,10:47)

Non-believers with sincere questions is not what is happening here is it?

My question about how you justify your position that your faith trumps physical evidence was a sincere one.

I don't recall a sincere answer to it.

Stuart

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,18:54)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,10:47) Non-believers with sincere questions is not what is happening here is it? My question about how you justify your position that your faith trumps physical evidence was a sincere one. I don't recall a sincere answer to it. Stuart

Hi STU

If you can't show me physical evidence then why do you ask?

But I will give you an answer anyway.

“And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists” and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.  Heb 11:6

I simply believe that God exist, so it doesn't matter what you say about the scriptures or Christians! To me, my faith that God exist trumps everything!

WJ

[Stu]

WJ

I posted links to descriptions of evidence. Did you read them?

You assert that your god rewards those who seek him. Are these peripheral psychological rewards akin to the placebo effect, or can you actually convince me that they are more than your own imaginings?

Without any independent arbiter like some kind of evidence, I am free to assert that you are wrong about every claim you have made for you god, and that in fact there is no such thing. My claim has exactly the same merit as yours.

I generally expect people to ask for evidence for what I believe, but since you do not respect that concept I feel no particular pressure when I tell you, without justification, that you are embarrassingly wrong about your Imaginary Sky Friends.

Stuart

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,19:18)

WJ I posted links to descriptions of evidence.  Did you read them? You assert that your god rewards those who seek him.  Are these peripheral psychological rewards akin to the placebo effect, or can you actually convince me that they are more than your own imaginings?   Without any independent arbiter like some kind of evidence, I am free to assert that you are wrong about every claim you have made for you god, and that in fact there is no such thing.  My claim has exactly the same merit as yours. I generally expect people to ask for evidence for what I believe, but since you do not respect that concept I feel no particular pressure when I tell you, without justification, that you are embarrassingly wrong about your Imaginary Sky Friends. Stuart

Hi STU

OK! I Appologise!

I am sorry for not asking you for evidence of what you believe.

So please present evidence that my sky friends are imaginary!

Since you are so convinced that God does not exist. Please show us your proof!

If you don't mind could you give me your sources!  

Good luck!

WJ

[Stu]

As I explained to you, I am only following your example in asserting that your god does not exist. My say so should be enough for you, I do not need to present evidence.

Stuart

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,20:53)

As I explained to you, I am only following your example in asserting that your god does not exist.  My say so should be enough for you, I do not need to present evidence. Stuart

Stu

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,20:53)

My say so should be enough for you, I do not need to present evidence.

Ditto.

WJ

[Stu]

So you agree that my assertion that there are no gods has exactly the same credibility as your assertion there are/is.

Stuart

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

there are gods then there is God

[WhatIsTrue]

WorshippingJesus,

Let's cut to the chase.

This thread is entitled, 'Non believers'. Are you here to discuss issues that might concern non-believers or not? If so, do you understand that non-believers don't typically start out believing scripture cover to cover?

Again, here are your own words:

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Maybe t8 should block this thread from believers because I do not belong here!

Heed your own advice.

[Stu]

Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 22 2009,14:40)

there are gods then there is God

Surely that is not what Judeo-christian says?!

Are you a henotheist?

Stuart

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,22:04)

So you agree that my assertion that there are no gods has exactly the same credibility as your assertion there are/is. Stuart

STU

Lets put it this way. My assertion there is a God will not convince you no more than your assertion that there is no God can convince me!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Hi WIT

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ July 22 2009,00:01)

WorshippingJesus, Let's cut to the chase.

I have been cutting to the chase. I have been just as serious and straight forward as I can be.

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ July 22 2009,00:01)

This thread is entitled, 'Non believers'.  Are you here to discuss issues that might concern non-believers or not?

I thought that is what I was doing by defending the authenticity of the Holy Scriptures that are able to make men wise unto salvation!

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ July 22 2009,00:01)

If so, do you understand that non-believers don't typically start out believing scripture cover to cover?

Yes that is true, although it seems that there are some here that would cast a shadow and doubt on what little they do believe to make sure they join their quest of proving the scriptures corrupt so they will probably not believe any of the Scriptures.

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ July 22 2009,00:01)

Heed your own advice. WIT

Thanks! I think I will!

Blessings to you as you seek WIT!

WJ

[Stu]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,17:14)

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,22:04) So you agree that my assertion that there are no gods has exactly the same credibility as your assertion there are/is. Stuart STU Lets put it this way. My assertion there is a God will not convince you no more than your assertion that there is no God can convince me! WJ

They are both unsupported assertions with no credibility. Unfortunately it is all god-believers have.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,17:35)

Yes that is true, although it seems that there are some here that would cast a shadow and doubt on what little they do believe to make sure they join there quest of proving the scriptures corrupt so they will probably not believe any of the Scriptures.

Why should your scriptures not be subjected to the closest scrutiny? You would have others follow what they say. Is it that their credibility is a bit flimsy if scrutinised too closely?

I have found them flimsy even to the casual glance. Just look in the “Too hard basket” for 5 examples.

Stuart

[TimothyVI]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ July 22 2009,16:01)

WorshippingJesus, Let's cut to the chase. This thread is entitled, 'Non believers'.  Are you here to discuss issues that might concern non-believers or not?  If so, do you understand that non-believers don't typically start out believing scripture cover to cover? Again, here are your own words: Quote Maybe t8 should block this thread from believers because I do not belong here! Heed your own advice.

WIT,
I think that you have just shut this thread down.

If you do not want a believer to discuss why he believes with
a non believer, then there is no subject for discussion.

At least WorshippingJesus was attempting a dialogue, even if his only “proof” comes from the bible.

Tim

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

all the scriptures com true at some times so we need to reach our world

[Stu]

Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 23 2009,00:31)

all the scriptures com true at some times so we need to reach our world

Is that a reasonable basis for peddling scripture? Psychics guess things accurately about people they are cold reading sometimes, but it is never anything more than a guess.

How about knowledge that can be shown to be sound, and can be corrected on the rare occasions that it is shown to be wrong?

That is the modern miracle of science!

Stuart

[Jesus name follower of Christ]

God ordained the scriptures and i believe all of them

[Cato]

Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 23 2009,02:04)

God ordained the scriptures and i believe all of them

I hope your not wearing a cotton and polyester shirt today.  Did you check your closet for forbidden clothing?  

Lev 19:19  19 ” 'Keep my decrees.
     ” 'Do not mate different kinds of animals.
     ” 'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
     ” 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

I hope your haircut likewise is in accordance with scripture.

Lev 27 ” 'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

I am not trying to be sarcastic but want to point out that blanket statements like you made concerning scripture can sometimes seem a little ridiculous.  Leviticus is full of dubious rules.  When was the last time you sacrificed a ram?

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